If an 11 stone man was attacked by a 14 stone man......

Shmuck

in the street, would he be able to generate enough force to knock the 14 stone man out by striking him, either with his fist or palm? This is just your average blokes on the street fighting, not specially trained in any discipline etc. Also don't say the 11 stone man should just run away because he has been backed into a corner and therefore has to fight his way out.

So bascially I'm just wondering would he be able to knock the 14 stone bloke out, or would he need self defense training first in order to do so, or would self defense training not even be enough given the difference in weight of the 2 blokes?

jono,b

definitely, no matter how big a guy is he still has a chin, so he can be ko'd if he gets hit right!

easyontheeye

of course its possible, im only a bout 11.5 stone and most of my mates (for example lol not that i going around sizing them up) are about 12-14 stone and i know id knock most of them out, doesnt matter what size you are if you can fight then you can do damage.

MichaelDevlin

Yes he "could" ko him but if two untrained people are fighting the heavier guy has an advantage

easyontheeye

MichaelDevlin wrote: »

Yes he "could" ko him but if two untrained people are fighting the heavier guy has an advantage

+1 there are so many variables around this too. same can be said if he has longer arms, more intelligence, younger, older, faster, slower...

obviously more mass equals more force...

Khannie

jono,b wrote: »

definitely, no matter how big a guy is he still has a chin, so he can be ko'd if he gets hit right!

Yup. Anyone with a heartbeat can knock you out if they hit the right spot. Of course an untrained person is less likely to do so, but is it possible? Sure.

cowzerp

Knocking someone out is not that easy no matter how big you are!
if you can hurt them enough to disorientate them that should do it, at 9 stone you could do that, even lower TBH, the smaller fella would want to be ready to follow the 1 punch up with more untill the situation is safe though!

And the better thing to do would learn something that will help you in the situation, running, boxing, mma or maybe krav maga or something..

Nothingcompares

I agree with the general view that there is no physiological reason why a 11 stone guy who is very fit, strong and coordinated couldn't throw a "lucky punch" catch a 14 stone guy on the button and floor him. I'd say it's very unlikely unless 14 stone guy was completely blindsided or the 11 stone is very lucky. I'd say the same for the 14 stone guy trying to knock a 11 stone guy out with one punch too.

Raze_them_all

Fight or flight responce, increases strenth and reflexes, no reason he wont be able to

arybvtcw0eolkf

How long is a piece of string?.

Dragan

Mairt wrote: »

How long is a piece of string?.

This long.


With regard to the question at hand I know 14 stones guys who are soft as **** and i know 11 stone guys who are hard as nails.

I thought we stopped worrying about size after the Gracies shined a light?

yomchi

I thought we stopped worrying about size after the Gracies shined a light

I think you'll find that light shone a lot longer for many years before the Gracies.
Sure didn't David slay Goliath?

It's not the size of the man in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the man.

FruitLover

Mairt wrote: »

How long is a piece of string?.

American string or European string?

arybvtcw0eolkf

FruitLover wrote: »

American string or European string?

North American, the piece of string the grizzle bear was going to choke out the polar bear (armed only with European string) with..

Now, who'd win that one. The Polar or the Grizzle bear?.

If the 11-stone guy could throw those 11 stones behind his punch, yes he'd floor the 14-stone guy.
Now it's getting that 11 stone weight behind the strike that's the hard bit....

Shmuck

Deleted User wrote: »

If the 11-stone guy could throw those 11 stones behind his punch, yes he'd floor the 14-stone guy.
Now it's getting that 11 stone weight behind the strike that's the hard bit....

Are stiff punches (where you don't put much speed and effort into the punch) better and more effective than punches where you basically put all your energy into throwing a powerful punch? Or are you unlikely to knock someone out with a stiff punch?

FruitLover

When you're talking punches, speed is power. The kind of punch you call 'stiff' is the type you see people with little or no training throw - the kind where they tense up the antagonist (opposing) muscles as well as the agonist (driving) muscles. This might 'feel' strong (I reckon it's because your brain thinks 'hey, I'm using more muscle power, therefore it must be strong!'), but in reality, you're just taking away power from the punch.

The only muscles that should be tensed during a punch are those driving forward the punch, and maybe your forearm muscles (to stabilize your wrist), and this should be an explosive power coming from your driving foot, engaging your hips, torso and shoulder.

yomchi

Are stiff punches (where you don't put much speed and effort into the punch) better and more effective than punches where you basically put all your energy into throwing a powerful punch?

I'm not being a smart arse here, but I think you answered your own question in a way. Strange that.

Dragan

Jon wrote: »

Sure didn't David slay Goliath?

Was David a Dillman student?:pac:

pearsquasher

Go to www.fantasticcontraption.com and see how many ways there are to move a little ball into a target area using limited 2-D physics.

Now imagine that ball has a brain and you can also fool it into moving certain ways that it thinks will stop it getting to its target - and you'd get even more clever solutions.

There's some clues on how to effect a heavier mass than you, which has a brain.

ryoishin

liver shot!

Shmuck

what about elbows to the face, are they more effective for self defense than punches?

Clive

1.357 times more effective.

FruitLover

Clive wrote: »

1.357 times more effective.

It's closer to 1.359 times - you're forgetting to factor in the difference in wind resistance.

yomchi

What about an Iron bar

Shmuck

Clive and Fruitlover- when don't you both **** off and stick a wodge of kitchen paper up your hole, might stop the drittle seeping out. Pikey ****ers.

Clive

Shmuck wrote: »

Clive and Fruitlover- when don't you both **** off and stick a wodge of kitchen paper up your hole, might stop the drittle seeping out. Pikey ****ers.

Okay I've got the kitchen paper up there - send me your credit card details and I'll send you a link to the live feed. :P

Don't be angry just because you're only 11 stone and are intimidated by 14 stone men - perhaps using the metric system might make you feel better?

Roper

Kitchen paper?

Drittle?

Pikeys?

Metric System?

C'EST FANTASTIQUE!

yomchi

WTF is a wodge?

Roper

Oddly enough, I didn't know what drittle was until that post but I did know what a wodge was.

Shmuck

internet cliquery at its worst