Do you hate RTE???

stevoman · 20-11-2008 02:23PM

copacetic wrote: »

so you agree then?

:rolleyes:

MOH · 20-11-2008 02:24PM

It's pretty dire.

Basic things I expect from a TV station:
1. Show programs at the time they're advertised. Not 10 minutes later. Or five minutes earlier.
2. Don't interrupt films for 30 minutes for the news.
3. If you must interrupt films for the news, there is absolutely no reason to interrupt them for 30 minutes for bloody Telly Bingo.
4. Don't chop off the last five minutes of a film, for no reason, then start showing it again after the next program has started.
5. I've friends who went to the States on J1s. It's great craic hearing their stories, because I know them. I don't really care what a bunch of random strangers get up to. I didn't care last time when you sent those three eejits around the place, and I care even less now. Come up with better programmes.
6. Give me back my license fee.

Basic things I expect from a TV station that RTE provide: 0/6.

mickdw · 20-11-2008 02:27PM

Its a bit sh1t how we have to pay a license fee to them even though they have advertising to take revenue from. BBC manage on license fee alone. Commercial stations manage on advertising alone.
The old argument was that we have a small population and so a tv company could never survive on the advertising rates payable. This is crap, tv3 do it (although with little home produced programmes).
RTE run a very tight ship though obviously, Grainne Seoiges hair stylist only gets €450/show.

javaboy · 20-11-2008 02:28PM

stevoman wrote: »

Sorry but i couldnt disagree with you more.

Dudess is right though. It is temp contract. I know a few people there who while they are making good money, can't afford to spend any of it because they never know when they will be out on their ear. Some people are very safe like the big name presenters but for many people working behind the camera, you never know when that next contract won't be renewed.

Wertz · 20-11-2008 02:32PM

I don't hate it as such...I do hate being forced to hand over 160 quid a year for the privilege of putting up with the sub standard sh*te they turn out.

That said, I do think they do news and current affairs well...their sports coverage is well rounded (even if some of their commentary team/pundits are a bit grating)...they do get some of the new US prime time telly before the brits.

But, their slipshod attitude to programming and production values,t heir absolutely laughable scheduling (putting stuff on in the middle of the night whilst showing repeats at primetime evenings) their downright awful cueing/dubbing/editorial skills (cutting to ad breaks, like a child would cut with a pair of scissors), their insistence on paying excessive sums over long periods to lack lustre DJ's, presenters and other celebrity figureheads (Kenny, Ryan, Duffy, etc) because of some perceived notion that some other broadcaster in Ireland is going to usurp them and steal their figurehead, the apparent nepotism and "jobs for the boys" attitude, the seeming lack of support for homegrown talent (unless they can make a talent/phone poll show out of them), the frankly diabolical range of homegrown stuff they do turn out, most of which is a simple clone/copy of something that was successful in the UK two years back, and the whole air that surrounds 99% of everything they do just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I've said it before and I'll say it now: RTÉ should be made to stand on their own two feet as a business, cut the deadwood, tighten up the ship and quit relying on government backed legal powers to collect taxes from the public. That might compromise certain aspects of their public broadcasting remit, but tbh in this day and age TV and Radio is a commercially viable business, so why a whole host of people should be subsidised by the taxpayer to deliver a very average overall level of service, I really can't see.
But of course like anything else in this country the status quo will remain and the bills will just go up...

97i9y3941 · 20-11-2008 02:32PM

im fed up with the amount of cooking programs rte has,same with the building ones,jaysus duncan do you ever stop building,thank christ your a star is gone,late late show is gone down alot since pat took over,he askes the obvious questions or woundnt have a controversial guests on,i found parkison on bbc more in touch with the guests,have to admit prime time investigates is good

Why do you pay for a tv licence if your paying sky digital to give you rte?

ArmaniJeanss · 20-11-2008 02:36PM

Loads of good stuff on RTE.

PrimeTime often excellent.
Decent Arts Programmes.
Some very good documentaries - e.g., the David Mc Williams programs, evn the Bertie ones recently.
The PremierShip at 7.30 on a Saturday - excellent timing.
Football coverage - Dunphs and Giles and OHerlihy still brilliant after all these years.
Lots of American programs before they are shown on English stations.
Excellent Aertel service - immeasurably better than BBCs effort.

javaboy · 20-11-2008 02:43PM

Fred83 wrote: »

i found parkison on bbc more in touch with the guests

I liked Parkinson but in the last few years he was a little too "in touch" with his guests. Sometimes he was so lovey dovey with his guests I felt like a voyeur for watching.

FlutterinBantam · 20-11-2008 02:44PM

RTE does some things well and some things badly.

Main presenters are paid way way way over the going rate,and don't give me the advertising revenue crap.

It seems to me to be a fcukin coterie of punters who stroke each other, and the peripheral media types who gain their "fame" by being liggers and blaggers who use the State broadcaster as a free vehicle to promote their wares facilitated by their mates who are subsidised by US

Needs a good fcukin flush out and the fat pigs who slurp at the groaning trough of our taxes need to be told to peddle their wares on the open market or accept reality.

Never a better time than this:eek::eek::eek:

Roadend · 20-11-2008 02:50PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

RTE does some things well and some things badly.

RTE should never ever attempt to make or comission a comedy programme ever again. The Lynch tripe got not one but two series.

Papad · 20-11-2008 02:50PM

Yes, I dislike RTE instensely.
I'm out foreign and they don't allow us to watch The Panel on their "RTE" website. When I asked them why not (after paying their heidious licensing fees for years), a spokesperson gave me some mumbojumbo about music copyrights. I understand why they don't allow us to watch sports, but "The Panel". Feck them. Feck them right in the ear.

Dudess · 20-11-2008 02:52PM

stevoman wrote: »

i couldnt disagree with you anymore.

Why? You're basing your comments on a handful of well-known presenters. These, and the benefits and security they enjoy, are not representative of all RTE staff and are not typical examples of RTE recruitment policies... by a long shot.

KingLoser · 20-11-2008 02:53PM

Only suckers pay the license fee...

Upstanding members of society: Suckers.
People who let the inspector see their TV: Suckers.
Devoted financial fans of RTÉ: Suckers.

97i9y3941 · 20-11-2008 02:54PM

Papad wrote: »

Yes, I dislike RTE instensely.
I'm out foreign and they don't allow us to watch The Panel on their "RTE" website. When I asked them why not (after paying their heidious licensing fees for years), a spokesperson gave me some mumbojumbo about music copyrights. I understand why they don't allow us to watch sports, but "The Panel". Feck them. Feck them right in the ear.

so because of the stone roses "waterfall" *thats the theme tune of the panel*,is the reason your not allowed to watch it

Wertz · 20-11-2008 02:55PM

Just like to add that if it were down to me I'd sooner give the BBC their license fee, since they offer so much more in terms of value for money (and I watch/listen to a lot more of their output than I do RTÉ's), excellent radio, world class website, niche programming, well presented news, past pedigree particularly WRT comedy, no adverts apart from their own promos...the list goes on. I know all the arguments as regards bigger UK population equals more license revenue etc. but I don't feel this excuses RTÉ's overall standard of output...

newbie2 · 20-11-2008 02:58PM

Wertz wrote: »

I know all the arguments as regards bigger UK population equals more license revenue etc.

So you're just going to ignore this arguement?

97i9y3941 · 20-11-2008 02:58PM

im surprised the over paranoid e.u has intervened in all this,i mean sky and tv3 have often mumbled about rtes unfair advantage of having gov funding along with tv licence to pay for rte,therefore it could be classed as unfair competition?

newbie2 · 20-11-2008 03:01PM

Fred83 wrote: »

so because of the stone roses "waterfall" *thats the theme tune of the panel*,is the reason your not allowed to watch it

No. While you're correct that this song is the theme tune to The PAnel, the use of other music within the show causes major copywrite probelms when broadcasting over the internet. The same issues were holding Reeling in the years from going to DVD for sooo long. Only now do we have Reeling 80's - not 60's, 70's or 90's

pierrot · 20-11-2008 03:01PM

The best bit about RTE is Mark Little's voice. Heard it in Wagamama one day in person, its very nice.

newbie2 · 20-11-2008 03:03PM

Fred83 wrote: »

im surprised the over paranoid e.u has intervened in all this,i mean sky and tv3 have often mumbled about rtes unfair advantage of having gov funding along with tv licence to pay for rte,therefore it could be classed as unfair competition?

WoW. mate you need to do your homework before you post. RTE do not get other govt funding along with the licence fee. TV3 get a % of the licence fee due to the Broadcasting Act. TV3 are a commercial station with no public service remit and are ownd by a multi billion dollar private equity firm. Sky have never moaned about RTE recieving the licence fee. As RTE is a public broadcaster - they are technically not in direct competition with TV3 or Sky as they are commercial stations.

Wertz · 20-11-2008 03:04PM

newbie2 wrote: »

So you're just going to ignore this arguement?

How am I ignoring the argument?

RTÉ run a much smaller ship on a much lower budget...but this doesn't excuse simple 101 stuff like editing, scheduling, programming type, over reliance on celebrity lead broadcasting and many of the other faults I alluded to in my previous post back up the thread.

newbie2 · 20-11-2008 03:10PM

Wertz wrote: »

their slipshod attitude to programming and production values,t heir absolutely laughable scheduling (putting stuff on in the middle of the night whilst showing repeats at primetime evenings) their downright awful cueing/dubbing/editorial skills (cutting to ad breaks, like a child would cut with a pair of scissors), their insistence on paying excessive sums over long periods to lack lustre DJ's, presenters and other celebrity figureheads (Kenny, Ryan, Duffy, etc) because of some perceived notion that some other broadcaster in Ireland is going to usurp them and steal their figurehead, the apparent nepotism and "jobs for the boys" attitude, the seeming lack of support for homegrown talent (unless they can make a talent/phone poll show out of them), the frankly diabolical range of homegrown stuff they do turn out, most of which is a simple clone/copy of something that was successful in the UK two years back,.

A lotof this is opinion and without examples I cannot agree with you I'm afraid.

KingLoser · 20-11-2008 03:11PM

srsly though, Real Player? ffs.

meboloxitis · 20-11-2008 03:14PM

I bleedin hate RTE!

What a waste of airtime!

Better off doing 24/7 naked news...No that should get their ratings up;)

97i9y3941 · 20-11-2008 03:16PM

newbie2 wrote: »

The same issues were holding Reeling in the years from going to DVD for sooo long. Only now do we have Reeling 80's - not 60's, 70's or 90's

that happens alot,i heard that some tv shows on dvd get some songs that where originally broadcast get removed on the dvd boxset,just shows what aload of bollocks goes on when the lawyers and greed are involved.

KingLoser · 20-11-2008 03:17PM

Fred83 wrote: »

that happens alot,i heard that some tv shows on dvd get some songs that where originally broadcast get removed on the dvd boxset,just shows what aload of bollocks goes on when the lawyers and greed are involved.

House MD is a good example, on the DVD's they removed Massive Attack.

Wertz · 20-11-2008 03:19PM

newbie2 wrote: »

A lotof this is opinion and without examples I cannot agree with you I'm afraid.

Examples? lol stick on the telly or the radio some time. Hell any time.
It's an opinion I've formed over years of paying for and watching/listening to their output.
You sound like an apologist for RTÉ and I'm not sure what your motives are, but I'm certainly not going to go researching precisely what programmes/people did what and when in order to justify my argument or opinion to you.

newbie2 · 20-11-2008 03:19PM

Fred83 wrote: »

that happens alot,i heard that some tv shows on dvd get some songs that where originally broadcast get removed on the dvd boxset,just shows what aload of bollocks goes on when the lawyers and greed are involved.

If you'v noticed - in House MD "The opening theme is 'Teardrop' by Massive Attack... "Due to rights and licensing issues this music is not used for the show in South Africa, the United Kingdom, Germany, Switzerland (German version), Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Australia, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Hungary, Latin America, Greece, Hong Kong, and Turkey. In those countries, a piece of music named 'House,' composed by Scott Donaldson and Richard Nolan, is used, which was written specifically for the show. With the second season, this was replaced with a similar, but modified, track. The parodic British television show Dead Ringers, which sometimes spoofs House, uses "Teardrop" for the spoof's opening theme. 'Teardrop' is also used in the Season 2 Region 2 release, replacing the 'House' theme at the beginning of the episode."

(http://www.housemd-guide.com/faq.php#theme)

javaboy · 20-11-2008 03:21PM

KingLoser wrote: »

House MD is a good example, on the DVD's they removed Massive Attack.

Wouldn't that have a major impact on the plot?

Original Broadcast wrote:

What's wrong with him House?
House: He's had a massive heart attack.

DVD Version wrote:

What's wrong with him House?
House: He's had a heart.

Sherifu · 20-11-2008 03:31PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

RTE does some things well and some things badly.

Main presenters are paid way way way over the going rate,and don't give me the advertising revenue crap.

It seems to me to be a fcukin coterie of punters who stroke each other, and the peripheral media types who gain their "fame" by being liggers and blaggers who use the State broadcaster as a free vehicle to promote their wares facilitated by their mates who are subsidised by US

Needs a good fcukin flush out and the fat pigs who slurp at the groaning trough of our taxes need to be told to peddle their wares on the open market or accept reality.

Never a better time than this:eek::eek::eek:

Damn right Flutt. Hopefully the recession will clear out some of the blockage.

Do you hate RTE???

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