Scum!

Pyr0 · 17-11-2008 03:18PM

Degsy there is no need to tell the guy to go off and kill himself because he has a different opinion to you, and tbh I'd rather follow his way of thinking than the "Rabble rabble rablle" way of thinking.

Degsy · 17-11-2008 03:19PM

ScumLord wrote: »

The people in social services should be put in jail. They should make a big deal out of this and punish anyone connected with. The parents should be just shot. There's no hope of rehabilitation or forgiveness from the people so just get them out of this world. sick ****s.

I agree they should be killed.
But slowley and publicly so they get some sense of the pain they've caused the child.
In prison they'll be segregated for thier own safety and be allowed to have televisions in thier cells,fed three meals a day and have free healthcare,recreation and reading material.
How is that being punsihed for such a sickening crime?

Zzippy · 17-11-2008 03:21PM

Life without parole. 60/70 years of miserable existence, enough time to ponder the folly of one's actions, get raped repeatedly by other inmates, beaten many times, make several unsuccessful suicide attempts, and know that they will never see the outside of that prison again. I would happily contribute my tax euros to see these kind of people locked up for good.

Degsy · 17-11-2008 03:22PM

Pyr0 wrote: »

Degsy there is no need to tell the guy to go off and kill himself because he has a different opinion to you, and tbh I'd rather follow his way of thinking than the "Rabble rabble rablle" way of thinking.

And what exactly IS his way of thinking?
He hasnt come out with anything apart from to attack me personally like he usually does in this sort of thread.
How he can NOT feel anger and outrage at this sort of thing is beyond me.
As i said earlier,he obviously has no children or he'd feel the same.

Pyr0 · 17-11-2008 03:40PM

He's hardly defending Child abusers ffs Degsy, cop on to yourself. Killing people left right and center for awful crimes isn't the way the justice system works, what'd be the point of having a justice system in that case ? How can we tell the difference between a crime that deserves painful torture or killing ?
It's an awful crime to hear about, they should be locked away for the rest of their lives, if a court decided they needed to be killed then fine, that's the courts decision, not an angry mobs decision.

ArmaniJeanss · 17-11-2008 03:42PM

ScumLord wrote: »

The people in social services should be put in jail.

You'll quickly find you've a shortage of social workers if you adopt this attitude.

To an extent they are damned if they act too slowly, and equally vilified if they act too quickly.

Some of the older people here might remember the Cleveland Child abuse scandal of the late 1980s, where they were accused of taking the kids without enough evidence, so the procedures were changed in the 90s to put a series of checks and double checks in the system, making it a last resort to take kids from their parents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_child_abuse_scandal

The system has clearly failed miserably in BabyPs case, however its quite likely that the system has worked in other cases and that the officials that you want locked up have probably saved other kids lives over the years. But obviously there is no way of being sure of this.

SV · 17-11-2008 03:45PM

Pyr0 wrote: »

He's hardly defending Child abusers ffs Degsy, cop on to yourself. Killing people left right and center for awful crimes isn't the way the justice system works, what'd be the point of having a justice system in that case ?

and as we all know, the justice system really works.
No one ever reoffends.

Islamic law seems to have the right idea there though.

Nodin · 17-11-2008 03:47PM

Degsy wrote: »

What part do you play?
Somebody trolling on the internet,defending child abusers

I don't suppose you'd be good enough to quote and then link to where he defended child abusers? Because thats rather a vile accusation to make.....

Degsy wrote: »

How he can NOT feel anger and outrage at this sort of thing is beyond me.

How do you know he doesn't?

Degsy · 17-11-2008 03:50PM

Nodin wrote: »

How do you know he doesn't?

Because he's vilifying those who do.
I shouldnt bother,he's only a troll.

Irishcrx · 17-11-2008 03:52PM

Justice? I think the only justice would be to take that sick bastard into a cell room, pull out his finger nails one by one, break his ribs, sever his ear from his head, beat him repeatidly , break his back, shove his shave into his own urine and then hang him in public and that'd be getting off light.

Pyr0 · 17-11-2008 03:53PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

and as we all know, the justice system really works.
No one ever reoffends.

Islamic law seems to have the right idea there though.

Well who is it that votes for a death penalty in any country ? AFAIK it's up to the public to vote for a death penalty included in the Judicial system.

thelordofcheese · 17-11-2008 03:54PM

Degsy wrote: »

What part do you play?
Somebody trolling on the internet,defending child abusers and talking out your hole?

Defending child abusers? Hardly.
In your blind rage you've also forgotten how to process what's actually written as opposed you think is written infront of you.
i challenge you to post where i've defended what they've done, where i've said it's ok, understandable or that i don't think they need to be brought to (proper, not mob) justice.

though seeing as i know no such post exists, i wouldn't try too hard.

What your problem here is, you want vicious mob justice because you're all angry and dammit someone has to pay. That's not how society as a whole works. And thank fuck for that.

You don't get to torture and execute people because you think it'll make you feel better. I have never once advocated that they be pardoned and i think the correct sentance would be life in prison with no hope for parole.

But this bullshit of "lets horribly torture them and then slowly kill them" makes you no better than they are.

Hell, you admit you're angry, surely you've realised at this point in your life that decisions made in anger are the worst possible one you can make?

Wacker wrote: »

That is one hell of a thing to say to somebody. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

Nah, S'cool.
Degsy is just angry i don't believe in mob justice, the death penality or anything he says.
He just needs to vent.

Let it out kid, i'm listening.

kmick · 17-11-2008 03:56PM

You two idiots slagging each other should get a room.

SV · 17-11-2008 03:57PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

*****e*

Condescending and Patronizing.

Seems to be your approach to all of these little arguments doesn't it?

Trinity · 17-11-2008 03:58PM

I'm not gonna read the other replies as i dont want to get into a debate. I assumed this topic would have been covered already.

Myself and my OH sobbed reading this story the other day. I have a baby of similar age who doesnt look unlike this baby.

What they did to that child i wouldnt dream of doing to an animal.

I dont advocate voilence normally but i would love 5 mins in a room with that gee bag. At first i thought they should bring back hanging but thats too quick.

What these cnuts need is torture every day of their lives til the day they die.
They sliced his finger tips? They pulled off his nails? Why why why?

COuld you as an adult put up with 17 months of torture? A broken back? Sweet jesus.

What possible possible reason can anyone come up with why they would do that to a baby?

The other day i got a smack of a remote control into the face, my hair pulled and my eyeball cut whcih landed me in the mater hospital. Did i hit my baby? No. I put him in his playpen. I didnt even get fcuking annoyed at him, hes a baby. I bring this up cos there is no no excuse in this world for what they did and no reason why they shoudlnt get the same treatment.

The only difference is they deserve it, that child didnt. No child does.

When i read this story the other day the parents names had not been released and i put up a comment on sky news website asking why.

I imagine They will be beaten to a pulp in prison.

Becca.1521 · 17-11-2008 03:59PM

:mad::(:mad::(

kmick · 17-11-2008 04:04PM

Trinity1 wrote: »

I imagine They will be beaten to a pulp in prison.

We can only hope.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 17-11-2008 04:04PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I know it's AH and all but i think we should be able to do this.

I agree, that gay marriage thread is/was a bit of a sham.

I'm genuienly horrified at the media's handling of this. Sky news and their non stop tickers,banners and graphics are sickening. And not in a justified way with regards to reporting a story. In these last 2weeks this case, Russel Brand's sex life, the world economy and now celebrity island get me off of here have all been treated and reported in the same absurd over-zealous manner.

Degsy wrote: »

How is my reaction to something as sickening as this "pathetic"?
how is anger as a default response to child cruelty "bullshiit"?
A craving for blood as you call it will achive two things
1)It'll stop the perpetrators doing it agin.
2)It may,just may act as a deterrent to others from doing the same thing.

No it won't. Show me facts,figures and dates and proof that capital punishment deters murder or child abuse.

Look at the state of America.

Either you're trolling or you're Sarah Palin and Jeb Bush's illegitmate offspring in internetz form.
I really hope Degsey is never picked for jury duty.

Nodin · 17-11-2008 04:06PM

Degsy wrote: »

Because he's vilifying those who do.

No, he was pointing out that ranting for blood achieves nothing, and that a criminal system cannot be run on that kind of emotion.

I note you haven't provided the quote and link to where you claim he was "defending child abusers".

Trinity · 17-11-2008 04:08PM

No lets give them a warm bed, 3 square meals, visits, and let them keep laughing saying they will be out in time for a spot of christmas shopping.

That'll stop d fcukers.

Orange69 · 17-11-2008 04:11PM

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Look at the state of America.

Umm just a small point here, i live in the US after spending most of my early life in Ireland. The justice system over here is far superior to Ireland (people actually get punished and their is a healthy fear of the police and prison), and the US feels a far safer place..

So get your facts right... If this happened in the US the parents would be serving over 25 years or facing a death sentence... And the gang scum terrorizing the country would all be doing 35+ under the 3 strike policy...

SV · 17-11-2008 04:12PM

Trinity1 wrote: »

No lets give them a warm bed, 3 square meals, visits, and let them keep laughing saying they will be out in time for a spot of christmas shopping.

That'll stop d fcukers.

and remember, prison is not a punishment, it's rehabilitation.

can't wait till they're released though, then some real justice will be inflicted.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 17-11-2008 04:13PM

This is surreal.

Trinity · 17-11-2008 04:15PM

How many states in America actually have capital punishment?

Rushing out the door but i know its only a few and i am guessing there is a higher crime rate in the ones that dont.

Pyr0 · 17-11-2008 04:18PM

Trinity1 wrote: »

No lets give them a warm bed, 3 square meals, visits, and letmedicore crime (I'm not saying this is medicore, just using the term as an example) wouldn't be the way a first world country works. them keep laughing saying they will be out in time for a spot of christmas shopping.

That'll stop d fcukers.

If you're not happy with it, do something about it. No point sitting around complaining on the internet.

Dudess · 17-11-2008 04:18PM

Would they really get a TV? Would they really get let out for good behaviour?

A small cell with nothing to do and nobody to talk to for the rest of their natural lives (hopefully they'll live til a very old age) would be an appropriate punishment in my opinion. I'd lose my mind after a few days, imagine decades of it. While they're evil and there are no words to describe their crime, I just can't support state-sponsored murder/torture. And I don't think they should be able to get away with it by having their lives ended quickly.

Nevyn · 17-11-2008 04:21PM

Sick horrible depraved and disguisting things happen to child all the time all around the world. Am I ment to get extra upset cos this kid was white, blonde and living in europe ?

ScumLord · 17-11-2008 04:23PM

I can understand people wanting to punish these lowlifes but really it's a waste of time and money and will only satisfy our need for revenge. In the end they'll get out of prison. They shouldn't be allowed to live, kill them and be done with it. I'm all for rehabilitation and giving people second chances but anyone that can do this to a child should be wiped from existence so we can all move on.

Orange69 wrote: »

Umm just a small point here, i live in the US after spending most of my early life in Ireland. The justice system over here is far superior to Ireland (people actually get punished and their is a healthy fear of the police and prison), and the US feels a far safer place..

Are you trying to say America is safer than European countries?

LolaDub · 17-11-2008 04:24PM

To be fair, this is the internet, people are just showing their outrage-nobody here is actually making the final decision on what the punishment should be for these people.

The story is just sick, what struck me was the mother laughing when the list of the childs injuries were read in court. There is no remorse here whatsoever. If my daughter did something bold and i shouted at her to stop i would be instantly sorry. How can you kill a child and not feel something???? Whats happened to her other children?

She probably thought that by giving birth in prison she would gain some sympathy and be let out to 'care' for her child. The new baby has escaped a horrific life. RIP Baby P

SV · 17-11-2008 04:25PM

Thaedydal wrote: »

Sick horrible depraved and disguisting things happen to child all the time all around the world. Am I ment to get extra upset cos this kid was white, blonde and living in europe ?

No?

Are you trying to make it seem that way so you can have an opinion different to everyone else...yes.

Scum!

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