Death sentence

Biggins · 15-11-2008 10:34PM #1

Given the current state of crime, gang killings and lawlessness is it a shame that the death sentence was done away with completely?

There's a few gang scum bags I'd love to instil fear back into if by a miracle, it was re-introduced (some hope!).

Huggles · 15-11-2008 10:37PM

Biggins wrote: »

Given the current state of crime, gang killings and lawlessness is it a shame that the death sentence was done away with completely?

Yep. In the case of Baby P in the UK, the fcukers should hang.

Quazzie · 15-11-2008 10:39PM

Huggles wrote: »

Yep. In the case of Baby P in the UK, the fcukers should hang.

Is he anything to P.Diddy. I think I have a Baby P cd somewhere.

Huggles · 15-11-2008 10:39PM

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Is he anything to P.Diddy. I think I have a Baby P cd somewhere.

Ho Ho Ho

Victor · 15-11-2008 10:40PM

Has the death sentence prevented crime in China or the USA?

Ann22 · 15-11-2008 10:43PM

Huggles wrote: »

Yep. In the case of Baby P in the UK, the fcukers should hang.

+1 Death is too good for those who harm the young and defenceless. What a pair of b*stards. The poor little innocent child! The useless social workers who checked on him 60 times should be horse whipped!

kraggy · 15-11-2008 10:43PM

No, for the same reason that it should be finished with in the States where it's still legal; there's always the chance that an innocent could slip through the system and be wrongly murdered.

tony1kenobi · 15-11-2008 10:45PM

Victor wrote: »

Has the death sentence prevented crime in China or the USA?

Yes....I never commit my crimes in those countries.

Biggins · 15-11-2008 10:47PM

Huggles wrote: »

Yep. In the case of Baby P in the UK, the fcukers should hang.

I so agree.

A very sad case. Poor child, may he rest in peace.

Redpunto · 15-11-2008 10:52PM

There is a certain line that even "everday" criminals would not cross, and when you do you will never reform so there are a hell of alot of people in this world who do not have the right to breath the same air or be nice and warm in a jail that we pay for.

r3nu4l · 15-11-2008 10:54PM

Ann22 wrote: »

The poor little innocent child! The useless social workers who checked on him 60 times should be horse whipped!

Death is too good for the perpatrators of that crime! I'm no social worker but you can be damned sure their hands were tied. Even the person who reported suspicions was completely ignored! The social workers are not at fault.

Should the death penalty exist?? Short (emotional) answer, Yes, kill them all! Long (rational, reasoned) answer, No, the death penalty serves no purpose and does not act as a deterrent.

galwayrush · 15-11-2008 10:57PM

It's proving to be a disaster without it.

stovelid · 15-11-2008 10:58PM

I hope the Baby P parents are brutally battered every day of their sentences, but I still believe that the death penalty is wrong. We can't legislate for capital punishment, based on emotion.

galwayrush · 15-11-2008 11:01PM

stovelid wrote: »

I hope the Baby P parents are brutally battered every day of their sentences, but I still believe that the death penalty is wrong. We can't legislate for capital punishment, based on emotion.

Yes, a quick death for the bastards in the baby P case is certainly too good for them. A long physically suffering prision sentence would be better.

Quazzie · 15-11-2008 11:11PM

Brilliant. lets turn this thread into a 'describe a really sick and twisted punishment' thread..

.. or I can just copy and paste the last one!

4zn76tysfajdxp · 15-11-2008 11:11PM

galwayrush wrote: »

Yes, a quick death for the bastards in the baby P case is certainly too good for them. A long physically suffering prision sentence would be better.

Oh Jesus, is this gonna turn into one of those threads where people chastise the perpetrators of violent crimes by detailing their own violent punishment fantasies? I ask because those posts are retarded and I'm sure Dudess (and it's always Dudess) has better things to do then try to post reasonable responses that leads to a backlash ("liberal pinko bleeding heart") and accusations of being a paedofan over twenty fúcking pages. Please everyone, I beg of you, don't be all "I'd tie him up to a bedpost and make him eat his own toes" for the LOVE OF GOD!!!! It's been done, believe me.

Edit: Beat me to it, Quazzie.

Pride Fighter · 15-11-2008 11:13PM

Sounds like a Jean Claude Van Damme film.

Latchy · 15-11-2008 11:13PM

It was done two weeks ago on the baby girl who had her back broken by her scumbag smackhead dad .

Ann22 · 15-11-2008 11:14PM

kraggy wrote: »

No, for the same reason that it should be finished with in the States where it's still legal; there's always the chance that an innocent could slip through the system and be wrongly murdered.

It's unlikely in this modern era to be sentenced to death without steadfast forensic evidence.
Angry though I am at the abusers and murderers of baby P. I don't believe the death penalty is a deterrant in cases like that, people like that are unlikely to restrain their violent outbursts because of a possible death penalty.
Years ago wrongful execution was a regular occurence without the forensic technics of the modern day. Look at the poor unfortunate Timothy Evans who was hanged for the murder of his wife and child in 1950, too late too pardon him when Christie the real culprit was discovered. Not many people around believed Colin Stagg to be innocent of the Wimbledon Common murder either 'til the real killer was discovered due to the marvels of dna.
However If there was a referendum on bringing back the death penalty to Ireland I wouldn't vote. I don't want to be one of those who decides who lives and who dies. I do believe however that a life sentence should mean just that.

Latchy · 15-11-2008 11:17PM

None of us on here has a greater insight into what should or should not be done to these people who commit these horrific crimes .The people who will be nearest to them in prison ie, the gaurds and other prisoners will be the ones who decide if, and what , punsiment will be dished out .

kleefarr · 15-11-2008 11:17PM

I remember reading an article last year that showed the exponential increase in unlawful killings as soon as the death penalty was abolished in UK or somewhere. I'll have to try and dig it out.

tallaght01 · 15-11-2008 11:20PM

There's very little politicallt that I'm as opposed to as the death penalty.

Governments should not kill their own citizens.

A lot of the people who commit these kind of crimes are mentally ill, and we should defnitely not be killing the mentlly ill.

It's not deterrent. The death penalty seems to have no effect on crime levels.

Killing people makes us the same as them.

Being in jail for the rest of your days is sufficient punishment for pretty much anything.

Killing doesn't bring back the victims

It seems to me the only reason for the death penalty is to satisfy group revenge urges. That's too primitive to be considered a step forward.

kraggy · 15-11-2008 11:22PM

Ann22 wrote: »

It's unlikely in this modern era to be sentenced to death without steadfast forensic evidence.
Angry though I am at the abusers and murderers of baby P. I don't believe the death penalty is a deterrant in cases like that, people like that are unlikely to restrain their violent outbursts because of a possible death penalty.
Years ago wrongful execution was a regular occurence without the forensic technics of the modern day. Look at the poor unfortunate Timothy Evans who was hanged for the murder of his wife and child in 1950, too late too pardon him when Christie the real culprit was discovered. Not many people around believed Colin Stagg to be innocent of the Wimbledon Common murder either 'til the real killer was discovered due to the marvels of dna.
However If there was a referendum on bringing back the death penalty to Ireland I wouldn't vote. I don't want to be one of those who decides who lives and who dies. I do believe however that a life sentence should mean just that.

Unlikely but still possible and thus would eventually happen. Same as you though, life should mean life and not 12 years.

Holsten · 15-11-2008 11:22PM

100% for bringing it back.

The place would be better off with certain scummers dead.

Forget about the deterrant factor, it's just punishment.

Biggins · 15-11-2008 11:23PM

There are enough threads about how we'd all like to treat evil killers such as poor Baby P (and I agree with most of them).

I would like others thoughts only about if others think the death sentence removal from our statue books, was a mistake. I think in extreme, absolute clear cut cases, it is a loss.
I agree I could be wrong and there are completely justifiable reasons why I would be but I sometimes think all options shouldn't be off the table completely.

Latchy · 15-11-2008 11:31PM

Is it not amazing that we have and still do sent millions of soldiers to kill, be killed, tortured, or maimed in the name of war but whan it comes down to these cases in civilain life were one or more persons life is up for discussion (after commiting such horrendous suffering and murder) we still twiddle our thumbs .I have said this before and will say so again, if we are not going to execute these people and they are not fit to be living amoung normal people again ,then they are best locked away in an alcatraz type prison .I mean how do you rehablitate Evil ?

Ann22 · 15-11-2008 11:38PM

It's very difficult to make a rational decision about such a controversial subject when the murder of children is involved. For those of us that remember the torture and murder of little James Bulger will know well the feelings his death brought forth in most of us. Those two lads are free as birds now, educated and protected. Children though they were, I don't believe they should be free now to walk the streets. I remember well how it was to be the age they were when they carried out one of the crimes of the century in Liverpool.... I knew what murder was, I knew what right and wrong was, I knew it was wrong to torture and beat a toddler to death. I knew when a child was crying for its' mother that I shouldn't be taking him further away from her to hurt him to entertain myself. How is it justice that these two abominations are living their lives now while poor Denise and Ralph Bulger have to live the rest of their lives without their little boy. Is that justice?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-11-2008 11:38PM

In Ireland, this discussion has NOTHING to do with whether or not it's a deterrent.

It's whether or not it satisfies the need for revenge.

Acacia · 15-11-2008 11:41PM

No, I'm against the death penalty. Cue shouts of '' you damn liberal, politically-correct , neo-nazi, communist scum!" and gory descriptions of what those brave AH Defenders of Justice would do to paedos, murders, etc. if they got their hands on them...which is usually more violent and inhumane than the original crime...

*Sigh*

Trojan911 · 15-11-2008 11:42PM

I would fully support the death sentence if it was re introduced back into Ireland.

There are some people in this world that just don't belong here, get rid.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 15-11-2008 11:43PM

Ann22 wrote: »

while poor Denise and Ralph Bulger have to live the rest of their lives without their little boy. Is that justice?

Yeah but they'll have to live their lives without their little boy regardless of the punishment. Killing his murderers wont bring him back.

Ann22 wrote: »

It's very difficult to make a rational decision about such a controversial subject when the murder of children is involved.

It is when you're a parent yourself. People with children tend to react to everything with heightened emotions, maybe a childless judge should rule on these matters?

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