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X Factor 2008

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  • #722
    Draupnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    If Joe Calzaghe was struck down with a broken wrist 3 days before his fight with Jones jr., do you think he would have been able to say "can we have it next month?" No chance, he'd have to forfeit the match.

    Incorrect, the fight would just have been postponed. It happens a fair bit in most sports and competitions where possible.

    Anyway, it seems most of the people who don't like Diana are girls, so I'm going to write that off as jealousy because she is hot. I personally think she is a very interesting and captivating performer. She is different from the norm and is not like a manufactured pop act, which is essentially the definition of having the "X" factor.

    All the other acts in the current competition are copies of existing current acts, or else they are Eoghan.


  • #723
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Incorrect, the fight would just have been postponed. It happens a fair bit in most sports and competitions where possible.

    Would it happen in a tennis tournament? Or how about if Lewis Hamilton broke his arm before a big F1 race, would that race be postponed to suit Hamilton?


  • #724
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Or how about if Lewis Hamilton broke his arm before a big F1 race, would that race be postponed to suit Hamilton?
    Well he'd be able to take part in the next race. Happens all the time


  • #725
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Well he'd be able to take part in the next race. Happens all the time

    But he would have been put at a disadvantage and would have had to take on his rivals at a deficit. Going back to what I was saying earlier Laura being eliminated proved anyone could have gone, she has been the fav/2nd fav with the bookies throughout this whole thing. There were no guarantees that Diana would have stayed. She just got a bye without having the slightest handicap on her. It's not very fair.


  • #726
    GSpoon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭GSpoon


    Ruth has been in the bottom two twice now, she got a chance to prove herself and that didnt work, Laura deserved that chance. Would you actually pay money to see Ruth live?? whats unusual about her that we havent seen before in any other x factor/american idol!! The same goes for Alexandra, Leona Lewis wannabe.

    Laura has such an usual voice, she defiantely had something big and different to offer .. but perhaps she is better off not having the x factor title. Go out on her on, im sure she will get signed up.. especially as there a thousands of people online voting on an opinion poll for her.

    Ruth, Rachel, Daniel & Alexandra to get... be realistic... they are not gona be big long term stars.


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  • #727
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    GSpoon wrote: »
    Ruth has been in the bottom two twice now, she got a chance to prove herself and that didnt work, Laura deserved that chance. Would you actually pay money to see Ruth live?? whats unusual about her that we havent seen before in any other x factor/american idol!! The same goes for Alexandra, Leona Lewis wannabe.

    Laura has such an usual voice, she defiantely had something big and different to offer .. but perhaps she is better off not having the x factor title. Go out on her on, im sure she will get signed up.. especially as there a thousands of people online voting on an opinion poll for her.

    Ruth, Rachel, Daniel & Alexandra to get... be realistic... they are not gona be big long term stars.

    She probably owns the two best performances of the show so far from those two stints in the bottom two. Would I see her live? No, it's not my thing. But I can appreciate performances that ooze charisma and passion nonetheless.


  • #728
    JP Liz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭JP Liz


    GSpoon wrote: »
    Ruth has been in the bottom two twice now, she got a chance to prove herself and that didnt work, Laura deserved that chance. Would you actually pay money to see Ruth live?? whats unusual about her that we havent seen before in any other x factor/american idol!! The same goes for Alexandra, Leona Lewis wannabe.

    Laura has such an usual voice, she defiantely had something big and different to offer

    her lips :D

    Ruth was way better than Laura is the sing off and she deserved to stay

    Everyone who doesnt even watch X Factor knows who Laura White is now even the politicans are talking about her


  • #729
    unreggd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭unreggd


    Just been listenin to Laura's original songs on YT and They're pretty good, and diverse

    But theres somethin there that she didnt put into her live shows

    A stronger sense of authenticity, belief, and fun


  • #730
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    ........Laura being eliminated proved anyone could have gone, she has been the fav/2nd fav with the bookies throughout this whole thing. There were no guarantees that Diana would have stayed. She just got a bye without having the slightest handicap on her. It's not very fair.
    The only thing that it proved was that the judges have the final say as to who stays and who goes.

    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    There were no guarantees that Diana would have stayed.
    She would've of been saved "if" (and that's a gargantuan if!!) she had of been in the final two. There is no way the judges would of gotten rid of her


  • #731
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    The only thing that it proved was that the judges have the final say as to who stays and who goes.

    The public were the ones that didn't support her and put her in that position in the first place. And to be perfectly honest, I don't think the judges would have saved Ruth had she not simply outperformed Laura in the sing-off. It probably was tactical but Laura gave them the perfect excuse to send her home any way.

    BaZmO* wrote: »
    She would've of been saved "if" (and that's a gargantuan if!!) she had of been in the final two. There is no way the judges would of gotten rid of her

    I would have said there was no way they would have sent Laura home.:p:pac: If tactical voting was a fact, how do we know Louis and Danni wouldn't bring it to deadlock up against Cheryl and Simon and by some shock event, Diana polled the lowest and therefore sent home?


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  • #732
    Chinafoot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Chinafoot


    GSpoon wrote: »
    whats unusual about her that we havent seen before in any other x factor/american idol!! The same goes for Alexandra, Leona Lewis wannabe.


    Ok I'm sorry but what exactly was original about Leona Lewis? It wouldn't be outlandish to refer to her as a Whitney/Mariah wannabe. She's a great singer and so is Alexandra. Perhaps look beyond the last 2 years and see that Leona Lewis is nothing original in the grand scheme of things.


  • #733
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    They wouldn't have let it go to deadlock though. They're all it to make money and given the choice between Diana and the other two I'd very surprised, no flabbergasted, if they let Diana go. Even though I think she can't sing to save her life she's definitely more marketable than the other two girls.
    And don't be so naive as to think that the judges aren't in cahoots as to who stays and goes.


  • #734
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    They wouldn't have let it go to deadlock though. They're all it to make money and given the choice between Diana and the other two I'd very surprised, no flabbergasted, if they let Diana go. Even though I think she can't sing to save her life she's definitely more marketable than the other two girls.
    And don't be so naive as to think that the judges aren't in cahoots as to who stays and goes.

    I'm not, if I did think that, I would have said Dannii and Louis would conspire. Apologies for not making myself clearer.


  • #735
    overexcitedaj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭overexcitedaj


    gscully wrote: »
    I disagree. Laura sang her main song poorly. She may have been good on other nights, but not last Saturday. Ditto for Ruth. Both received the most criticism from the judges and that was reflected in the votes. They were the worst on the night, but definitely not overall.

    I know many think Daniel should've been in the bottom two, but I think that's just an overall opinion of him as a singer and not an opinion of how he fared on the night. He sang quite well on the night and as a result got the votes required. Every contestant has their fans voting every week, and the difference then is how the neutrals judge performances on the night. I think too that Simon's comments are taken on board by a lot of callers.

    Who would you have had in the bottom two based on how they sang Saturday?

    I think Rachel and Daniel should have ben in the bottom 2


  • #736
    Sugar Drunk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Sugar Drunk


    I was shocked at who was in the bottom two too. Was also surprised that yet again it was Louis who got to have the deciding vote - shouldnt they rotate that a bit? Its allowing him to vote off tactically.

    In saying that I think Laura did deserve to go more that Ruth. Singing over the rainbow is a bit cliche and there was nothing outstanding about it I was surprised she chose the song. I thought Ruth has been a different singer in the sing offs when she sings rock she is just incredible, if danni minogue would just realise this and let her sing that style instead of restricting her and trying to mould her into a sultry seniorita she would not be in bottom two.
    Laura 'style change' did her no favours either imo, on disco week she looked great, this week she had flat hair and a drab dress that made her look six months pregnant, during the sing off she just looked depressed, same mistake scott made.

    I so so want rachel to go home I cannot stand her. This woman was a criminal by choice I am sick of the sob story. No one has 5 kids by accident. There was a story in paper about an old man whose wife she robbed its sickening that we are glorifying this woman. I would be a lot more symnpathetic if she genuinely was repentant but its all an act for the stage she really came across so badly in her true colours when she was shown yelling at them all to let her choose her own song and clothes etc.

    Dianas hand thing reminds me of alanis morrisstte but unlike morrissette's quirkiness and eccdentricities, with Diana its done deliberately which is wrecking my head. Same with the not wearing shoes thing, they will be dressing her up as bjork next

    Eoghan will probably make the final. Lets face it the voters will love him. Personally I want to cut his poxy hair and tell him he is 16 not 12! Why they insist on portrayinging him as a little boy is beyond me?

    For me I would love to see alexandra win she always has a smile on her face and knocks it out of the park with her voice. Dunno if she will win though!


  • #737
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Sugar Drunk wrote: »
    Dianas hand thing reminds me of alanis morrisstte but unlike morrissette's quirkiness and eccdentricities, with Diana its done deliberately which is wrecking my head.
    Alanis Morrissette's "quirkiness" was just as contrived. She started off as a cheesy pop act but then decided to get all angsty and rocky. Not saying it wasn't good (and the country girls loved it) but it was contrived nonetheless.

    Sugar Drunk wrote: »
    Eoghan will probably make the final. Lets face it the voters will love him. Personally I want to cut his poxy hair and tell him he is 16 not 12! Why they insist on portrayinging him as a little boy is beyond me?
    Because little girls buy records.


  • #738
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Alanis Morrissette's "quirkiness" was just as contrived. She started off as a cheesy pop act but then decided to get all angsty and rocky. Not saying it wasn't good (and the country girls loved it) but it was contrived nonetheless.
    +1

    At the time Jagged Little Pill was released, there were some female rock acts who were very full-on with the auld anger, but they weren't radio friendly. Alanis was a sanitised version of them.


  • #739
    Pighead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Alanis Morrissette's "quirkiness" was just as contrived. She started off as a cheesy pop act but then decided to get all angsty and rocky. Not saying it wasn't good (and the country girls loved it) but it was contrived nonetheless.
    -1!

    That's a bit of a simplistic view Bazmo. She started off as a cheesy pop act because she was young and she probably WAS a bit cheesy.

    Fast forward through a few years of shitty relationships and men pooing in her underwear drawer and you're bound to have replaced a large dollop of that cheese with angst and bittherness. People change because of their circumstances. Nothing contrived about that.


  • #740
    JP Liz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭JP Liz


    Croaky X Factor teen Diana Vickers may be out of for another week.
    The star, 17, missed out on Saturday due to laryngitis.

    Bosses fear she won’t recover before this weekend’s Best Of British-themed show.

    From The Sun

    She should not get another pass this week :mad:


  • #741
    Sugar Drunk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Sugar Drunk


    This is true (ive seen the original records they were awful), but having seen her several times live there is a naturalness to the way she acts. Wwether its put on or not its believeable as are her odditities when she is interviewed.

    Diana on the other hand just comes across so rehearsed and deliberate which is a pity you can see her thinking 'ok put hand to face now, then curl fingers' etc I do love her voice its very different and she has a great ability to put adjust to different songs but they are just trying to make her too different


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  • #742
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    A +1 and a -1 ?? So I'm level at the moment? Cool

    I dunno Pighead, maybe you bought into it more than I did but maybe I'm possibly more cynical than you when it comes to things like this. But having said that, at least Alanis wrote her own songs so the emotion thing is more real than Diana's cheesy attempts


  • #743
    camel toe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 217 ✭✭camel toe


    diana is an idiot...red faced tosser...needs to go home as well with that absolute scobe with 5 kids.

    alexandra shud win


  • #744
    JP Liz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭JP Liz


    X Factor’s Diana Vickers is at the centre of furious fix speculation after evidence suggested she was well enough to sing last Saturday.

    Fans suspect she may have ducked out so she could not be voted off. Now with big rival Laura White out of the way Diana has a clear run at the title.

    A 21,000-signature online petition to bring Laura back after what Ladbrokes called “the biggest upset in X Factor history” is thick with talk of backstage plots.

    One theory is Diana did not have laryngitis and she threw a sicky because she would have struggled with Mariah Carey week as the songs do not suit her voice.

    Others say say Laura and Alexandra are too similar to Leona Lewis and X Factor boss Simon Cowell does not want a rival to his star – so Diana is getting preferential treatment. Talk of a fix was fuelled by footage of Diana taken three nights before the show featuring her shouting, not easy with laryngitis.

    The film, shown on the Xtra Factor on Saturday, shows Diana well and in good voice with the other contestants enjoying Wednesday’s fireworks night.

    But she reportedly started complaining about her voice the previous Sunday. Then she missed rehearsals all week and was confined to bed unable to speak.

    The Mirror has been bombarded with emails and calls asking how ill Diana was.

    One reader Phil Stephens said: “Diana screeched and yelled without any pain yet she couldn’t sing in the show. FiXed Factor should be its correct title.”

    Cheryl Cole admitted on ITV2’s Xtra Factor on Saturday night the voting that got rid of Laura “might have been tactical”.

    Online petitioner Lauren Ross said: “An absolute disgrace. Rachel should have been booted off or the show should have been cancelled because Diana did not sing and she could have been awful.”

    Katie Tolley added: “Oh my God! Laura should not have been kicked off. Something is definitely wrong.”

    An X Factor spokesman said: “Diana was under strict doctor’s orders not to perform.”


  • #745
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    To be irritated watch Diana's part in the Official "Hero" Video; seriously, I feel like banging my head off the wall every time she says "you" or the "ooh" at the end of every line.:pac: It's worse seeing her actually mouth it in the video!


  • #746
    Nasty_Girl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Nasty_Girl


    If Diana is *better* this week they should make her sing the Mariah song to prove she could.

    Others say say Laura and Alexandra are too similar to Leona Lewis and X Factor boss Simon Cowell does not want a rival to his star – so Diana is getting preferential treatment.

    I would not be surprised if that was true...

    I don't like Diana as a person (well the person she is portrayed as on a heavily adited reality tv show that is!) but there is something captivating about her when she sings, I would be interested to hear an album she would make ... so maybe she is truly the one with the X factor ... or maybe she's just lucky with the song choices ... maybe that Shakira-ish yelp she has would grate on my nerves after awhile .. who knows.


  • #747
    camel toe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 217 ✭✭camel toe


    dont ever associate som1 as brilliant as shakira with that trollop.


  • #748
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    To be irritated watch Diana's part in the Official "Hero" Video; seriously, I feel like banging my head off the wall every time she says "you" or the "ooh" at the end of every line.:pac: It's worse seeing her actually mouth it in the video!
    Yeah, it's dreadful. She kinda replaces the "oo" sounds with "urrrrrrrrrr".
    She's a gobshyte.


  • #749
    Nasty_Girl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Nasty_Girl


    camel toe wrote: »
    dont ever associate som1 as brilliant as shakira with that trollop.

    Sorry :o

    I like Sharika I didn't mean it in a bad way really... ... I'll be quiet now ...


  • #750
    camel toe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 217 ✭✭camel toe


    Nasty_Girl wrote: »
    Sorry :o

    I like Sharika I din't mean it in a bad way ... I'll be quiet now ...

    :p just sayin thats all.


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  • #751
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Nasty_Girl wrote: »
    If Diana is *better* this week they should make her sing the Mariah song to prove she could.




    I would not be surprised if that was true...

    I don't like Diana as a person (well the person she is portrayed as on a heavily adited reality tv show that is!) but there is something captivating about her when she sings, I would be interested to hear an album she would make ... so maybe she is truly the one with the X factor ... or maybe she's just lucky with the song choices ... maybe that Shakira-ish yelp she has would grate on my nerves after awhile .. who knows.

    If she's not better then she has to go, no way should they give her a free ticket through two rounds.

    I understand what you mean when you say there is something captivating about her when she performs. She has good stage presence and I actually liked what she did with Call Me, I think it's because she toned down the quirkiness in that performance. That's my main issue with her, most of her performances just come off as forced and rigidly choreographed; maybe that's not her fault, I would blame Cheryl more for that.


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