Pubs raise prices anyway

mikemac · 28-10-2008 09:55PM

hussey wrote: »

They are aware, but I think people are still blaming the smoking ban/recession/jebus/the roma/government ... basically anyone but themselves

Good post.
Some say it's the farmers who complain the most but it's the publicans.
And alcohol isn't even where the real rip-off is.

Try over 5 euro for a rock shandy or a pint of your favourite mineral

That cafe-bar idea a few years bad was a good idea. For shame it got scrapped.

Prof.Badass · 28-10-2008 10:08PM

Ideo wrote: »

I'm not questioning you here but can you support that statement? I find that hard to beleive!

Here

;

The Panel noted the points made by The Purty Kitchen representative – “that the double vodka and red bull offer was run using a vodka substitute named Vodkova. It has a similar taste but far lower alcohol content than actual vodka”

The Panel reviewed the advertisement as it related to the double vodka and red bull promotion. They considered the point made regarding the substitution of Vodkova for vodka, and concluded that customers would make decisions on the basis of the actual advertisement. The advertisement stated, for example, that vodka as opposed to Vodkova would be used; this misrepresentation would lead customers to believe they would be purchasing standard vodka..

You should read the whole article;

http://www.meas.ie/page.php?intPageID=508

Basiacally, purty kitchen sells you watered down vodka and has even admitted it in the past.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-10-2008 10:10PM

So how much does the average pint cost back there then?

Statso · 28-10-2008 10:39PM

In fairness it's not the pubs that are increasing the cost of drinks. It's Diageo increasing the cost of the publicans buying drink from them so the cost has to be passed along. In your average pub the publican doesn't get that big a slice of each drink that's sold. The majority goes to the Government and the suppliers. The increase in price you are complaining about is due to another increase from Diageo in the last few weeks.

rubadub · 28-10-2008 10:53PM

Statso wrote: »

In fairness it's not the pubs that are increasing the cost of drinks. It's Diageo increasing the cost of the publicans buying drink from them so the cost has to be passed along.

The publicans nearly always double whatever diageo increase it by. The usual ignorant punter is unaware of this, they just figure it is all slapped on by diageo, and the publicans well know this, so when they do increase it is nearly always at the same time as the breweries. Also they usually increase all drinks, not just diageo ones, again taking advantage of the ignorant punters.

The majority goes to the Government and the suppliers.

That does not explain the often €2 difference you often see between some dublin pubs and pubs down the country.

Statso · 28-10-2008 10:59PM

Well to be fair i'm only speaking from my experience in my own family pub in Wexford. I have no idea of the situation in Dublin. I do know that we only increased the cost on Diageo supplied drinks in this increase and also only increased it the amount that Diageo have forced us to. We realise that our customers can't afford to keep coming in with the price of drink which is why for the last two drink price increases we took the hit to our own pocket. I do agree though that there are publicans who will fleece anyone, they tend to be the superpub owners though. Your average working mans pub are normally fairly well priced.

gary the great · 28-10-2008 11:35PM

Who still goes the pub these days!? Are ya made of money?

6 cans, couple of shots with the mates in the gaf and then to the club at about 12.30 when it starts to get good....

Wurly · 28-10-2008 11:48PM

Publicans are such gobsh1tes. Oh our business is going down the tubes so what'l we do? Raise the prices. Feckin eejits!:rolleyes: They deserve to go under.

House parties ftw. Loads of new people, fun, somewhere to crash (carpet, couch cushion, garden chair) and cheap (possibly free) alcohol.

Failing that, a few friends in the gaff with a couple of games of 'guess who'/'twister'/'cluedo'/cards, few cans and then off somewhere.

I personally am sick of going to pubs every weekend. Same oul boring cack. I'd much prefer to actually do something. Comedy club, tour, gig etc with a sneaky half bottle of JD in the handbag.

It's all good people. It won't affect you unless you choose to let it!:)

Rabies · 28-10-2008 11:49PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

That's still a rip off.

a litre of tesco vodka is something like 22 euro.

divided by 5 + the cost of a litre of mi wadi, gets you a nice sociable amount of night out drinkage for less than a 5er. This is way cheaper than the same level of drunkenness achieved through 2 euro drinks.

By 5??? Split it two, maybe three ways.

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Sounds to me like they may be taking advice from the ole bank manager.
I dont think that pubs are even allowed do happy hours or drink specials anymore.
Oh well. At least they ruined all the nice pubs before they put the prices up.

We still do happy hour over here. Build up a regular base and its easy to make a few grand between 4-7pm on a friday.

BaconZombie · 29-10-2008 12:18AM

Boards Halloween Beers are been held in a pub so yes somebody is making sure drink in a pub.....

Kiera wrote: »

Have drinks before you go out. No ones making you drink in the pubs!

So if it 22 in Tesco take off 27% {Tesco avg percentage profit} and another 10% for the discount distributors give the pub to get the real price.

vinylmesh wrote: »

That's still a rip off.

a litre of tesco vodka is something like 22 euro.

divided by 5 + the cost of a litre of mi wadi, gets you a nice sociable amount of night out drinkage for less than a 5er. This is way cheaper than the same level of drunkenness achieved through 2 euro drinks.

ScumLord · 29-10-2008 01:01AM

hussey wrote: »

They are aware, but I think people are still blaming the smoking ban/recession/jebus/the roma/government ... basically anyone but themselves

This annoys me just as much, where's the effort on their part? I've been to a few pubs over in the UK and while for the most part they're sole less brewery pubs at least they put an effort in. Every pub I was in had something going on like table quizzes. Nothing major just a £2 quiz while people had something to eat and a slow pint. I know a full on menu isn't possible in most pubs but they could always put in the effort, even a Wii bowling tournament during the week would be something.

Statso wrote: »

In fairness it's not the pubs that are increasing the cost of drinks. It's Diageo increasing the cost of the publicans buying drink from them so the cost has to be passed along. In your average pub the publican doesn't get that big a slice of each drink that's sold. The majority goes to the Government and the suppliers. The increase in price you are complaining about is due to another increase from Diageo in the last few weeks.

How much does the publican make out of a pint? Is it a 50% markup? I just don't think they deserve the money they do little for it. They've had it easy for a long time and have failed to change with the market. The pub should be a public house, at the moment it's not serving the public. Whatever happened to the arcade machines that every pub in the country had? They've striped them out to make sure there are no distractions from getting drunk.

carlop · 29-10-2008 02:03AM

When you spend any amount of time abroad you realise how sh1t ireland is for pubs/bars. I was in Salamanca in Spain recently, the bars are small but have charm and offer some other form of entertainment like board games. The prices are next to nothing, very cheap, good food is available and what I liked most of all was that after you'd paid up, often they'd give you another drink free of charge to thank you for your business.

I can never imagine this happening in Ireland.

hussey · 29-10-2008 02:09AM

ScumLord wrote: »

This annoys me just as much, where's the effort on their part? I've been to a few pubs over in the UK and while for the most part they're sole less brewery pubs at least they put an effort in. Every pub I was in had something going on like table quizzes. Nothing major just a £2 quiz while people had something to eat and a slow pint. I know a full on menu isn't possible in most pubs but they could always put in the effort, even a Wii bowling tournament during the week would be something.

I live in Oz, and some of teh pubs have something on every day of the week here, sometimes just a $2 off a steak, or a trivia (I have seen a wii bowling tournement too)

e.g here is a few of my local bars "what's on"
http://www.marlboroughhotel.com.au/whats_on.html
http://www.unionnewtown.com.au/whatson.html
http://www.porterhouse.com.au/whats_on.html

RoosterIllusion · 29-10-2008 02:22AM

ScumLord wrote: »

How much does the publican make out of a pint? Is it a 50% markup?

A friend of mine runs a pub. Talking strictly in pints here:

Pint of Heineken in his pub: €4.10 (as of two weeks ago)
Cost of that pint for him to buy: circa €1.50

So it's a 200% markup. His pub is also very competitively priced, I had never been there until recently but I was quite surprised at how low the prices were compared to pubs that were even next door.

I would like to refer to my earlier point about the Hi-B bar in Cork city selling Beamish for €4. What the **** are they doing?!

Rabies · 29-10-2008 02:54AM

It cost us $1.25 ex GST per glass of beer, we sell a glass for $6.
425ml per glass. We're the cheapest in our area. Others sell for $7-$8.5 a glass.

Do we make profit? Hell ya!

But we employ loads of staff, no one waits for drink in my bar. Floor is always clear. High weekly rent, security costs and supplement and office management cost also.
Along with that there is always stuff to buy/repair/do and helps the over all feel and atmosphere in the bar. Last week alone I spent over $1k on glassware.

Will our prices increase because our glass ware supplier has increased his prices since last month? NO!

gurramok · 29-10-2008 10:21AM

You're Beamish in Cork City would be equivalent of a not so bad priced pint in Dublin!

I noticed at weekend that Guinness jumped 20c in my non-upmarket local, like wtf?

Diageo hike it by 10c and the publican adds another 10c. Needless to say i won't be going back much. Also on Saturday on the bank hol weekend, the pub was half full.

So the publican who jacks up their prices loses out on less pints drunk hence less sales, and with Dublin pubs closing every month, will they ever cop on?

Gummy Panda · 29-10-2008 10:28AM

Nope they won't learn but the off-licenses must be laughing all the way to the bank now. Only thing they have to worry about is the likes of the supermarkets try to wrestle them out of the market.

RoosterIllusion · 29-10-2008 10:41AM

gurramok wrote: »

You're Beamish in Cork City would be equivalent of a not so bad priced pint in Dublin!

Yeah except €4 for Beamish is just insane. It's €3 a 5 minute walk away in a vastly better pub which serves a vastly better pint of Beamish (the best pint of Beamish and Murphys I have ever had in fact).

prendy · 29-10-2008 12:15PM

my local at home(out in the sticks~) is great for organising pool/darts comps quizes card games etc. this ensures there's a few around every night. and a crowd draws a crowd so it works for them.

the pints are reasonable too, bout 3.60 for guinness and 3.85 for Heineken i think.

its the bussiest little pub around as its friendly and kept clean and tidy. they also have a 7 seater which the publican or his wife drops people home in at closing. just shows that a bit of effort goes a long way.

Cookie_Monster · 29-10-2008 12:26PM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Tesco take off 27% {Tesco avg percentage profit} .

Proof of this figure?

ScumLord · 29-10-2008 12:45PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Nope they won't learn but the off-licenses must be laughing all the way to the bank now. Only thing they have to worry about is the likes of the supermarkets try to wrestle them out of the market.

The supermarket has won out in my town, why on earth would I go to the pub when I can buy 24 bottle of 330ml Stella Atois for €14.99 in the shop. I even buy 3 or 4 bottle of Lech to drink while I wait for the Stella to get down to drinkable temp. All for around €20. That's two days drinkin' I wouldn't even get a round in at the pub which is now charging €4.30 for a can of cider! This is in a small town who the **** do they think they are?

mikemac · 29-10-2008 02:15PM

gurramok wrote: »

and with Dublin pubs closing every month, will they ever cop on?

Are they?
I thought it was rural pubs that were closing but city pubs were ok.
Or it is Co. Dublin you are referring to?

MOH · 30-10-2008 01:39PM

rubadub wrote: »

The publicans nearly always double whatever diageo increase it by. The usual ignorant punter is unaware of this, they just figure it is all slapped on by diageo, and the publicans well know this, so when they do increase it is nearly always at the same time as the breweries. Also they usually increase all drinks, not just diageo ones, again taking advantage of the ignorant punters.

+1. I've been in places where the price of non-Diageo pints has jumped over a week, and they've tried to blame it on Diageo.

hussey wrote: »

I live in Oz, and some of teh pubs have something on every day of the week here, sometimes just a $2 off a steak, or a trivia (I have seen a wii bowling tournement too)

e.g here is a few of my local bars "what's on"
http://www.marlboroughhotel.com.au/whats_on.html
http://www.unionnewtown.com.au/whatson.html
http://www.porterhouse.com.au/whats_on.html

Heh, the Marlborough:

"Thursday - Free psychic readings from 7pm
See your future while sipping on a cocktail"

If you're ripping into the cocktails at 7pm not hard to see what your immediate future holds...

SoupyNorman · 30-10-2008 02:25PM

Jesus Publicans seem to just cut their nose off to spite their faces.

When there is talk of raising the minimum wage, you have the Vintners federation coming out all guns blazing. Any hint of a price increase and not only is it action within seconds, they lob a few cent on for luck.

Closing Off sales at 10:30pm now will on worsen binge drinking, when you're deciding on your purchase a little voice in your head will say;

"hang on partner, you better buy an extra slab just in case!"...well thats what mine says *twitch*

Fighting Irish · 30-10-2008 03:49PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know if this is common around the country but the pubs in my town have raised the price of drink 30c!

It's not like it's boom time for them either I went out on Saturday night and haven't seen the town as empty in years and I don't see how raising the prices is going to attract people back.

This country deserves it's recession, we're a nation of narrow minded, greedy muppets that are happily digging themselves into a hole I hope we never find our way out of.

Maybe thats because it was a bank holiday and most people go out on the sunday night

Also, what don't people get about this. Most business's will but their products at a price that people are willing to pay.

Idbatterim · 30-10-2008 04:26PM

In defence if Irish pubs and clubs, but moreso pubs, the ones on the continent are total ****e and id glady pay a bit more here than those souless and atmospehereless kips in many place in the continent. But I think people have just had enough of price increase after price increase especially when people have less in their pockets. My mates and I have stopped going out big time over the last 6 months, its just too expensive, theres no value! If we do go out its at around midnight and well lubricated! The taxi rip off, is another one thats no doubt affecting pubs and clubs! they are shooting each other in the foot. I run a business and realise that by increasing price you are not necessarily increasing your profits, far from it, alot of time it may have the opposite effect. Theres alot of talk in the papers that in previous recessions the pub trade remained steady! back then your average joe didnt have hundred of thousands of debt attached to them. If i have to start watching my money, and cut down on waste, alcohol would be top by a mile! mothing else comes close to it!

ScumLord · 30-10-2008 05:11PM

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Maybe thats because it was a bank holiday and most people go out on the sunday night

On a bank holiday weekend their usually in the town drinking. That's all this town was good for there used to be 12 pubs and 2 nightclubs (population 700) and every one of them would be packed to the rafters 10 - 5 years ago, now it's down to just 8 pubs and no crowd in any of them.

zap27 · 30-10-2008 05:30PM

We've been having the piss taken out of us for the past 8-10 years by the pubs and now they are paying the penalty and rightly so. The only pubs i would feel remotely sorry for is the rural pub in the small Irish town. All these Superpubs charging €6 a pint and €2.80 for a 150ml bottle of coke or water can fu ck right off.

I'm at the age now (late 20s) where i would be going to the pub less anyway than i used to when i was a real young un but when those youngsters stop going for their poynts of hoyno then the Café en Muck publican brigade will surely be sweating into their €20 caesar salad lunches.

€6 pub pint €1 shop price. Fock right off pub.

Darragh29 · 30-10-2008 05:39PM

Leanna Enough Cockatoo wrote: »

That's the spirit.

Here here, make publican's get da p(o)int!!!

Seriously though, they must think we have money on tap!

:D:D

rvd156 · 30-10-2008 05:44PM

Yeap pints are gone up in my town in most places by 10c it seems like nothing but after a bank holiday weekend you sure do notice it....:(

Pubs raise prices anyway

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