Pride!

thebman · 29-10-2008 06:13PM

No I am not

Mena wrote: »

My parents nurtured me and housed/clothed and fed me. I grew to love them. No countries ever done anything like that for me and never will. It's a piece of land bound by an imaginary border created by some fool with too much time on his/her hands.

I'd say I'm proud to be human, but hell, look at us as a species... pretty pathetic to say the least.

So your parents educated you too? Your parents didn't claim child benefit?

Just asking, I don't think I need a reply.

Tar.Aldarion · 29-10-2008 06:15PM

Atari international Jaguar!

There is a difference between people here and the random piece of land we are on.

Kya1976 · 29-10-2008 06:16PM

love being swedish but not sure if proud is the right word

Zangetsu · 29-10-2008 06:17PM

No I am not

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

There is a difference between people here and the random piece of land we are on.

A country is it people... If the question was are you proud to be standing on this particular rock I would say kinda, I like the scenery but could do with a little less rain :P

SteelyDanJalapeno · 29-10-2008 06:18PM

No I am not

well and truly proud, gwan the irish

Overheal · 29-10-2008 06:18PM

No I am not

You cant pick your family so I guess for the same reason if youre not happy with your nationality youre fécked a bit arent you.

Mena · 29-10-2008 06:30PM

Atari international Jaguar!

brim4brim wrote: »

So your parents educated you too? Your parents didn't claim child benefit?

Just asking, I don't think I need a reply.

My parents paid ( a hefty sum ) to have me edumacated. And Child Benefit? Are you serious? It's only in cotton wrapped social welfare states like this that people can get such luxuries from their governments. Those of us who grew up in the real world learned to fend for ourselves thanks.

And yes, you needed a reply. Best to try not make assumptions.

Zangetsu · 29-10-2008 07:28PM

No I am not

Even in this real world you speak of, the people around your (the Irish) contributed to you upbringing. It wasn't just your parents. The fact that you are a strong independent person is thanks to those around you is it not?

Thats a faily good reason to be proud of your nation.

Mena · 29-10-2008 07:35PM

Atari international Jaguar!

Zangetsu wrote: »

Even in this real world you speak of, the people around your (the Irish) contributed to you upbringing. It wasn't just your parents. The fact that you are a strong independent person is thanks to those around you is it not?

Thats a faily good reason to be proud of your nation.

I don't see how the people around me contributing to my upbringing correlates to being proud of a nation. The two have no bearing on each other.

I'm happy to leave it at agree to disagree here :pac:

Zangetsu · 29-10-2008 08:52PM

No I am not

Someday...

Dudess · 29-10-2008 09:36PM

Not proud of my nationality - yep, it is just an accident of birth - but not ashamed of it either. All this "I'm ashamed to be Irish after what the IRA done" just helps perpetuate anti Irish sentiment. And while I may not be proud to be Irish, I still am Irish... so I don't like the idea of a chunk of this country being taken by force, I get very angry about the injustices in the north post partition. I guess I have republican leanings (not an IRA supporter - Omagh, Enniskillen, Warrington... how can I support those people?) but I'm a moderate republican due to an abhorrence of injustice, sectarianism, discrimination... not because of "Irish pride".

Dudess · 29-10-2008 09:37PM

Dinter wrote: »

I love the way some people think that the only way to make multi culturalism work is at the expense of homogenising everyones differences.

Isn't that assimilation?

Poccington · 29-10-2008 09:49PM

I love this country and I'm quite proud to be Irish. I find it hard to explain my point but it's just that everything I've accomplished and the person I've become all stems from where I was born, the environment that I was raised in and from the people I have met and become friends with as well as my family.... I wouldn't have experienced such things if I didn't live in Ireland.

Things could have happened the exact same way in another country but it didn't, it happened in Ireland. This country is something that I have grown quite fond of and which contains a very fine quality of people... Every country has it's bad apples and Ireland is no different. I however believe that the good outweighs the bad.

It's due to my fondness for this country that I have the job that I have at this moment.

RoosterIllusion · 29-10-2008 10:44PM

Atari international Jaguar!

I think that white Irish people are the only people worthy of life.

This is my opinion.

If you disagree with it then you are wrong.

randylonghorn · 29-10-2008 11:02PM

No I am not

Dudess wrote: »

Isn't that assimilation?

Not necessarily, best type of assimilation is when everyone learns to live together, respects each others traditions and cultures, and all sides are prepared to give a little to make it work.

Can be difficult to achieve, though.

On topic, ofc I'm proud to be Irish.

That doesn't make me feel superior to others though, or blind to the problems of the country, or commit me to any kind of jingoistic clap-trap.

Pride in one's country isn't a problem, in fact imo it's natural and desirable, it's the baggage that sometimes seems to be inseparable from it among the more intellectually challenged that can bring problems.

wylo · 30-10-2008 12:49AM

No I am not

Im proud to be irish, not because I was born here, that doesnt matter, but because for 100s of years, generations upon generations have evolved to give us a certain culture and attitude. and im the result of that!!!

PurpleBerry · 30-10-2008 01:01AM

I am indeed full to bursting of pride in the land of my hatching birth. All the nonsense about it being "accidental" is beyond the realms of my comprehension, though. Do you mean to tell me that most of you allow your hatchers parents decide where you are to be born? This is ludicrous! They cannot be trusted with such a desicion.

A few weeks before I came out I demanded that my birth take place on Pluto, back when it was a planet. Now I have the side-effect of being perpetually cool. :cool:

Acacia · 30-10-2008 01:12AM

I would say I'm proud to be Irish because I like our way of life, sense of humor, language and traditions. There are things I don't like about this country, both now and in the past ( especially the attitude to women and sex), however I get very defensive if someone were to refer us as 'thick paddys' or whatever. I would be in favor of a 32 county Ireland, but don't support the IRA,etc. Ultimately, nationality is an accident of birth, and while there's nothing wrong with being proud of where you come from, being overly-patriotic can bring a lot of problems.

After all, at one stage the world was all one continent! :pac:

The_B_Man · 30-10-2008 01:22AM

No I am not

Are all these threads/replies all stemming from that French womans letter posted a few days ago??

BraziliaNZ · 30-10-2008 01:50AM

I really don't think we have that much to be "proud" of. I mean I like where I grew up and I'm proud of my parents for being really good to me and my brother. We have a bunch of cowboys in government and wasted 10 years of having maybe the best economy in the world. How can you be proud of a badly run country and a shambles health care system and infrastructure? As for the idiots who wear celtic jerseys and riot on o'connell st etc, they're just narrow minded idiots looking for a reason to fight.

manicmonoliths · 30-10-2008 01:53AM

I don't really understand the whole proud to be Irish thing. Sure you were born on the same speck of land as W.B Yeats, it doesn't mean anything, does it make you a talent poet? I don't see the point in being proud of the fact that you were born on the same island as someone else who has achieved something. The same is true for the national football team or any other sports. Why should I support a certain team just because it's players are from the same place as me? Surely I'd feel better supporting the team I feel are the best at their particular sport.

My country is not a reflection on me. Just because other Irish people have done some great things, doesn't make me or any other Irish person more likely to. Just like how what the IRA have done in the past doesn't mean I should be ashamed of myself. The only thing I can do is make choices for myself, what other Irish people past or present have done is nothing to be proud of.

civis_liberalis · 30-10-2008 01:58AM

No I am not

How can you Atari Jaguar this question?

Are you unsure of your parentage?

Bit of a strange one...

BraziliaNZ · 30-10-2008 02:12AM

And it was cool to be irish for about 5 minutes in the 90s when Britain discovered we weren't just a potato field and embraced boyzone, father ted, MTV music awards etc. Then everyone got sick of us and anywhere you go in the world there's always already tonnes of Irish people there before you. How do we get around so much given our numbers??They're sick of us!

ScumLord · 30-10-2008 02:14AM

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

And it was cool to be irish for about 5 minutes in the 90s when Britain discovered we weren't just a potato field

I wish Ireland was just potato field, I love potatoes.

Kold · 30-10-2008 03:41AM

Atari international Jaguar!

Half Vietnamese, half Irish, born and grew up in England.

What's to be proud of? I don't understand how people feel such a deep connection to people who died before they were born. If I'm proud of anything, it'd be my own achievement or my incredible intelligence.

Slow Motion · 30-10-2008 10:30AM

No I am not

The_B_Man wrote: »

Are all these threads/replies all stemming from that French womans letter posted a few days ago??

Not this one, I have no idea what letter you are referring to! This thread was started as an offshooot of a slitghtly off topic debate in the are you proud to be white thread as I stated in the opening post! Which I assume you read, which makes me ask why you asked that question!

Dinter · 30-10-2008 10:41AM

No I am not

Dudess wrote: »

Isn't that assimilation?

I used homogenise rather than assimilation because my point was that it's an outside influence (ie legislation, sensitivity to racism) that is directing us to be similar and not anything that is occurring naturally.

Assimilation can happen of its own volition, homogenising can't.

m@cc@ · 30-10-2008 10:45AM

From having lived outside of Ireland for a few months now, I actually care less about my nationality. People know and care less about Ireland than what I'd expected, I've come to realise that we are just a minor nation in the grand scheme of things. Still proud of where I'm from but having moved away, it's been a liberation from many of the things that I thought were important (abeit not very important) having grown up in the North.

RichTea · 30-10-2008 11:53AM

THEY TOOK YOUR LIFE, THEY COULD NOT TAKE YOUR PRIIIIIIIDE!

Slow Motion · 30-10-2008 11:58AM

No I am not

RichTea wrote: »

I work in a spar............it's ****e

Well, that's the answer then, thread closed!

Pride!

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