Pride!

Slow Motion

Following on from some of the debate in the are you proud to be a cracker thread, I decided to do a poll. So the question is are you proud to be <insert nationalities here> or do you think it is just an accident of birth and nothing to be proud of. Do you care that you are Irish, English etc. or is it meaningless to you? Would you dust off your nationality and leave without a backward glance if you were given an opportunity elswhere or do you carry your nationality abroad and take pride in it?

Xavi6

No I am not

Hmmmm I have dual nationality (Australia by birth, Ireland by parents) and am glad to be associated with both countries. I take an interest in both sets of politics, news etc and cheer for their teams in sports.

However, I draw the line at being a member of the Eire 32/Wolfe Tones/Celtic brigade.

Slow Motion

No I am not

Xavi6 wrote: »

Hmmmm I have dual nationality (Australia by birth, Ireland by parents) and am glad to be associated with both countries. I take an interest in both sets of politics, news etc and cheer for their teams in sports.

However, I draw the line at being a member of the Eire 32/Wolfe Tones/Celtic brigade.

There's always one:rolleyes::D I agree about the wolfe toneless etc. thing something I am not proud of!

Mena

Atari international Jaguar!

It is just an accident of birth and nothing to be proud of. It is meaningless. I would dust off my nationality and leave without a backward glance if I were given an opportunity elsewhere.

I've never understood why anyone would take pride in something that was purely an accident of birth coordinates.

Geology

No I am not

Not fussed. I am what I am but like the other posters, don't like the whole Celtic/Wolf Tones thing.

CHD

No I am not

Mena wrote: »

It is just an accident of birth and nothing to be proud of. It is meaningless. I would dust off my nationality and leave without a backward glance if I were given an opportunity elsewhere.

I've never understood why anyone would take pride in something that was purely an accident of birth coordinates.

On yer bike so!

She Devil

No I am not

I am pride of my nationality, I love being Irish, I think its horrid that people dont take pride in this .. Again i hate the Eire32 brigade!

Dinter

No I am not

I'm proud of my country. Its achievements, its international image etc, sure, there are things about it I detest but overall I'm quite happy to tell people my nationality.

I love the way some people think that the only way to make multi culturalism work is at the expense of homogenising everyones differences.

WindSock

Atari international Jaguar!

Not proud to be anything I didn't achieve, but I am proud I'm not English tbh :pac:

neil_hosey

No I am not

Xavi6 wrote: »

However, I draw the line at being a member of the Eire 32/Wolfe Tones/Celtic brigade.

I am proud to be irish, I'm also a republican, who doesnt like the Wolfetones and detests soccer?? Great the way you lump everyone in together like that.

I dont get comments like yours...

sparky360

I actually dont like the "patriotism" that surrounds Ireland in recent years. Mostly done by people wearing Liverpool (England) or Celtic (Scottish) jerseys. Who do they support in the Irish League? "No one bud, that league is sh*te" :rolleyes:

They are so proud of their heritage, all they know of their native language is "Tiocfaidh Ar La" and "Pog mo Thoin"

****ing idiots.

Slow Motion

No I am not

sparky360 wrote: »

I actually dont like the "patriotism" that surrounds Ireland in recent years. Mostly done by people wearing Liverpool (England) or Celtic (Scottish) jerseys. Who do they support in the Irish League? "No one bud, that league is sh*te" :rolleyes:

They are so proud of their heritage, all they know of their native language is "Tiocfaidh Ar La" and "Pog mo Thoin"

****ing idiots.

But that wasn't the question asked! Every country has it's idiots, and you can be patriotic without being a bigot!

sparky360

Indeed! Sorry about that!

I am not patriotic, i dont see why I should be. As was stated before, I am proud of what I achieve (although that doesnt leave me much to be proud of)

neil_hosey

No I am not

sparky360 wrote: »

I actually dont like the "patriotism" that surrounds Ireland in recent years. Mostly done by people wearing Liverpool (England) or Celtic (Scottish) jerseys. Who do they support in the Irish League? "No one bud, that league is sh*te" :rolleyes:

They are so proud of their heritage, all they know of their native language is "Tiocfaidh Ar La" and "Pog mo Thoin"

****ing idiots.

Without draggin this thread down, i totally agree with you, but normal, genuine people who are patriotic, are now being lumped in the same group as these ars*holes, I just think its not right.

You can barely show any interest in the history of Ireland lately without being blasted a Ra head, If you agree with something some IRA man done 40 years ago, your a shinner.. its ridiculous.



Apologies for the off-topicness.. wont happen again!

Cunny-Funt

No I am not

Proud to be Irish yeah. Its nice being from a county that's not committed genocide or tried to take over the world etc.

& Irish is a nice nationality to be imo Good auld Irish

I can kinda see where some of these robots who can't comprehend this pride, are coming from. But its part of who we are like it or not. Oh and I say robots cause their arguments remind me of Data from StarTrek.

One thing that annoys me is that I've noticed on Boards its kinda trendy for a lot of people to be against the idea of "irish pride" etc for fear of looking like a member of the frecking IRA or something.

You can be proud to be Irish and not a feckin "Ra' head" btw.. :rolleyes: You can also like the idea of a united ireland too.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sparky360 wrote: »

I actually dont like the "patriotism" that surrounds Ireland in recent years. Mostly done by people wearing Liverpool (England) or Celtic (Scottish) jerseys. Who do they support in the Irish League? "No one bud, that league is sh*te" :rolleyes:

Absolute bollocks!!!

Quality is quality no matter where it comes from. I like Barcelona, I like Liverpool because they're good teams. Location doesn't come into it. When I lived in Ireland, my nearest club was Bray Wanderers (45min trip, bus permitting). I went twice, it was ****e on both occasions. Why in the name of all that is holy should I keep going?

Should I start supporting Hertha Berlin simply because they're nearlby?

Tar.Aldarion

Atari international Jaguar!

Mena wrote: »

It is just an accident of birth and nothing to be proud of. It is meaningless. I would dust off my nationality and leave without a backward glance if I were given an opportunity elsewhere.

I've never understood why anyone would take pride in something that was purely an accident of birth coordinates.

I agree, all it causes is trouble really.

lil-buttons

I agree with Cunny Funt.

sparky360

I agree. It is ridiculous that people are being tarred with the same brush! I have very patriotic friends who are extremely passionate about Ireland yet aren't the 'Ra loving muppets that litter our streets.

I have no interest in History and I suppose that maybe is why I dont feel patriotic but to be honest, if I was born any where I would feel the same indifference. (as long as I wasnt born in Cork!!!!:) JOKING BTW)

Cunny-Funt

No I am not

:pac:

sparky360

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Absolute bollocks!!!

Quality is quality no matter where it comes from. I like Barcelona, I like Liverpool because they're good teams. Location doesn't come into it. When I lived in Ireland, my nearest club was Bray Wanderers (45min trip, bus permitting). I went twice, it was ****e on both occasions. Why in the name of all that is holy should I keep going?

Should I start supporting Hertha Berlin simply because they're nearlby?

Not at all. I was just saying that these muppets when asked "Why do you follow Celtic" say "Cos dey are Irish"

If that is their reasoning, why don’t they support an Irish Club?

I agree completely with you, I actually support England. (the football team)

Malari

I like being Irish, and it's nice to come back to Ireland after being abroad. I don't think I would call myself patriotic though. I'm sure I would feel the same belonging to the country no matter where I grew up, as opposed to where I was born.

thebman

No I am not

It is the culture and history I'm proud of. I know it is an accident of birth but you still act Irish rather than French etc...

So yeah I'm proud to be Irish. That is completely different and separate to accepting the crap that goes on in the country that I'm not proud of like most of the politics and the complete idiots in the country although every country has this crap I think, just maybe not on our level.

Xavi6

No I am not

neil_hosey wrote: »

I am proud to be irish, I'm also a republican, who doesnt like the Wolfetones and detests soccer?? Great the way you lump everyone in together like that.

I dont get comments like yours...

I meant them as a collective group, i.e. the ones who hold all three close to their hearts. Tehy exist and take away from what is a great country.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sparky360 wrote: »

Not at all. I was just saying that these muppets when asked "Why do you follow Celtic" say "Cos dey are Irish"

If that is their reasoning, why don’t they support an Irish Club?

I agree completely with you, I actually support England. (the football team)

Fair enough, I think I may have misinterpreted your post - apologies (have no feelings towards Celtic one way or the other - not really a fan of Scottish football)

ScumLord

I like bread.

Zangetsu

No I am not

Mena
It is just an accident of birth and nothing to be proud of. It is meaningless. I would dust off my nationality and leave without a backward glance if I were given an opportunity elsewhere.

I've never understood why anyone would take pride in something that was purely an accident of birth coordinates.

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Just like saying you don't love your family just cause you happened to pop out... Twas purely an accident that you came out of those people you call parents.

I'm damn proud to be Irish

Mena

Atari international Jaguar!

Zangetsu wrote: »

Mena
It is just an accident of birth and nothing to be proud of. It is meaningless. I would dust off my nationality and leave without a backward glance if I were given an opportunity elsewhere.

I've never understood why anyone would take pride in something that was purely an accident of birth coordinates.

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Just like saying you don't love your family just cause you happened to pop out... Twas purely an accident that you came out of those people you call parents.

I'm damn proud to be Irish

My parents nurtured me and housed/clothed and fed me. I grew to love them. No countries ever done anything like that for me and never will. It's a piece of land bound by an imaginary border created by some fool with too much time on his/her hands.

I'd say I'm proud to be human, but hell, look at us as a species... pretty pathetic to say the least.

4zn76tysfajdxp

I'm Irish but my sister is American. If I'm proud to be Irish should I be ashamed of my sister?

Zangetsu

No I am not

@Mena
Ah if only we had more like ya... But seriously though, this country has done nothing for you? I find that hard to believe...

"I'd say I'm proud to be human, but hell, look at us as a species... pretty pathetic to say the least."

Thats very narrow minded, your only factoring in the bad stuff we've done... What about space travel? I'd say thats worth a lot of the sh!te thats gone on... But thats just my view...

Smart Bug

Slow Motion wrote: »

There's always one:rolleyes::D I agree about the wolfe toneless etc. thing something I am not proud of!

Ye must be from one of those shoite counties then so...

thebman

No I am not

Mena wrote: »

My parents nurtured me and housed/clothed and fed me. I grew to love them. No countries ever done anything like that for me and never will. It's a piece of land bound by an imaginary border created by some fool with too much time on his/her hands.

I'd say I'm proud to be human, but hell, look at us as a species... pretty pathetic to say the least.

So your parents educated you too? Your parents didn't claim child benefit?

Just asking, I don't think I need a reply.

Tar.Aldarion

Atari international Jaguar!

There is a difference between people here and the random piece of land we are on.

Kya1976

love being swedish but not sure if proud is the right word

Zangetsu

No I am not

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

There is a difference between people here and the random piece of land we are on.

A country is it people... If the question was are you proud to be standing on this particular rock I would say kinda, I like the scenery but could do with a little less rain :P

SteelyDanJalapeno

No I am not

well and truly proud, gwan the irish

Overheal

No I am not

You cant pick your family so I guess for the same reason if youre not happy with your nationality youre fécked a bit arent you.

Mena

Atari international Jaguar!

brim4brim wrote: »

So your parents educated you too? Your parents didn't claim child benefit?

Just asking, I don't think I need a reply.

My parents paid ( a hefty sum ) to have me edumacated. And Child Benefit? Are you serious? It's only in cotton wrapped social welfare states like this that people can get such luxuries from their governments. Those of us who grew up in the real world learned to fend for ourselves thanks.

And yes, you needed a reply. Best to try not make assumptions.

Zangetsu

No I am not

Even in this real world you speak of, the people around your (the Irish) contributed to you upbringing. It wasn't just your parents. The fact that you are a strong independent person is thanks to those around you is it not?

Thats a faily good reason to be proud of your nation.

Mena

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Zangetsu wrote: »

Even in this real world you speak of, the people around your (the Irish) contributed to you upbringing. It wasn't just your parents. The fact that you are a strong independent person is thanks to those around you is it not?

Thats a faily good reason to be proud of your nation.

I don't see how the people around me contributing to my upbringing correlates to being proud of a nation. The two have no bearing on each other.

I'm happy to leave it at agree to disagree here :pac:

Zangetsu

No I am not

Someday...

Dudess

Not proud of my nationality - yep, it is just an accident of birth - but not ashamed of it either. All this "I'm ashamed to be Irish after what the IRA done" just helps perpetuate anti Irish sentiment. And while I may not be proud to be Irish, I still am Irish... so I don't like the idea of a chunk of this country being taken by force, I get very angry about the injustices in the north post partition. I guess I have republican leanings (not an IRA supporter - Omagh, Enniskillen, Warrington... how can I support those people?) but I'm a moderate republican due to an abhorrence of injustice, sectarianism, discrimination... not because of "Irish pride".

Dudess

Dinter wrote: »

I love the way some people think that the only way to make multi culturalism work is at the expense of homogenising everyones differences.

Isn't that assimilation?

Poccington

I love this country and I'm quite proud to be Irish. I find it hard to explain my point but it's just that everything I've accomplished and the person I've become all stems from where I was born, the environment that I was raised in and from the people I have met and become friends with as well as my family.... I wouldn't have experienced such things if I didn't live in Ireland.

Things could have happened the exact same way in another country but it didn't, it happened in Ireland. This country is something that I have grown quite fond of and which contains a very fine quality of people... Every country has it's bad apples and Ireland is no different. I however believe that the good outweighs the bad.

It's due to my fondness for this country that I have the job that I have at this moment.

RoosterIllusion

Atari international Jaguar!

I think that white Irish people are the only people worthy of life.

This is my opinion.

If you disagree with it then you are wrong.

randylonghorn

No I am not

Dudess wrote: »

Isn't that assimilation?

Not necessarily, best type of assimilation is when everyone learns to live together, respects each others traditions and cultures, and all sides are prepared to give a little to make it work.

Can be difficult to achieve, though.

On topic, ofc I'm proud to be Irish.

That doesn't make me feel superior to others though, or blind to the problems of the country, or commit me to any kind of jingoistic clap-trap.

Pride in one's country isn't a problem, in fact imo it's natural and desirable, it's the baggage that sometimes seems to be inseparable from it among the more intellectually challenged that can bring problems.

wylo

No I am not

Im proud to be irish, not because I was born here, that doesnt matter, but because for 100s of years, generations upon generations have evolved to give us a certain culture and attitude. and im the result of that!!!

PurpleBerry

I am indeed full to bursting of pride in the land of my hatching birth. All the nonsense about it being "accidental" is beyond the realms of my comprehension, though. Do you mean to tell me that most of you allow your hatchers parents decide where you are to be born? This is ludicrous! They cannot be trusted with such a desicion.

A few weeks before I came out I demanded that my birth take place on Pluto, back when it was a planet. Now I have the side-effect of being perpetually cool. :cool:

Acacia

I would say I'm proud to be Irish because I like our way of life, sense of humor, language and traditions. There are things I don't like about this country, both now and in the past ( especially the attitude to women and sex), however I get very defensive if someone were to refer us as 'thick paddys' or whatever. I would be in favor of a 32 county Ireland, but don't support the IRA,etc. Ultimately, nationality is an accident of birth, and while there's nothing wrong with being proud of where you come from, being overly-patriotic can bring a lot of problems.

After all, at one stage the world was all one continent! :pac:

The_B_Man

No I am not

Are all these threads/replies all stemming from that French womans letter posted a few days ago??

BraziliaNZ

I really don't think we have that much to be "proud" of. I mean I like where I grew up and I'm proud of my parents for being really good to me and my brother. We have a bunch of cowboys in government and wasted 10 years of having maybe the best economy in the world. How can you be proud of a badly run country and a shambles health care system and infrastructure? As for the idiots who wear celtic jerseys and riot on o'connell st etc, they're just narrow minded idiots looking for a reason to fight.