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Halloween costume offensive?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Super Sidious


    Clayton Bigsby



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭rstans


    The colour of the OP's skin is irrelevant. The KKK are a group who stand for hatred, bigotry, intolerance and every concievable form of racism known. They were and still are responsible for murder and intimidation of people because of religious beliefs and skin colour.
    Would the OP dress up as a neo-nazi? They have the same beliefs as the Klan, hatred of "ni***rs, jews and non-christians (their words, not mine)", but are more prevalent in Europe.
    Sorry about the rant but I think this is a bad idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    On an note, you also have to ask yourself if you would be let in wearing a KKK outfit. In this PC age, would you want a photo of someone in a KKK outfit in your establishment?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    The KKK, whose members are largely WASP, hate the Irish just as much as black people. Well they hate all Roman Catholics not just the Irish - but they reserve a special hatred for us, Jews and the blacks. So, if any black people come up to you to kick yer head in explain that you're brothers in that respect. When they go to kick your head in for calling them "brothers" explain that you've as much right to be offended by your costume as they do and you can deal with it how you want - similar to how they can call themselves "nigga"... mid-beating vow never to listen to those bastards on boards again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Are you sure the KKK hates/hated the Irish that much? And on what grounds? I'm sure some of them say it and I'm sure some of them do hate the Irish... but if Irish people wanted to give their support/funding etc, I doubt the KKK would object - whites are whites. In the early days, catholics were certainly a target of the KKK but by the turn of the century, commies became more of a concern. Some grandmaster nut-job praised McDowell's immigration policy a few years ago. I would say many of those loons admire Ireland because of its mostly white population and good ol' simple, rural, traditional way of life (that's how Ireland is perceived still).
    rstans wrote: »
    Would the OP dress up as a neo-nazi?
    Maybe. I think an excellent fuk-you to such people is to laugh at them - Mel Brooks, a Jew, did so when he made The Producers.
    To Be or Not to Be is another piss-take of the nazis and a chiefly Jewish production.


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  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why oh why do people have to get offended by everything these days? seriously, lighten up people!

    I think the funny part of your costume would be the irony of it, I think the vote obama suggestion is classic.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Try dressing up as an altar boy instead

    Can Jews and Catholics also get away with dressing as the KKK, BTW?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 973 ✭✭✭Super Sidious


    Vote Obama would be classic... OP needs to have photos to post on boards for us to laugh/get pc brigade riled up!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Well if I saw a black person or Jewish person dressed up as a member of the KKK, I would view it as a piss-take... not an "endorsement".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    Try dressing up as an altar boy instead

    Can Jews and Catholics also get away with dressing as the KKK, BTW?


    The altar boy was definitely one on my mind, but i need someone to dress as a priest ;)


    Would that drive people mad?


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Dudess wrote: »
    Are you sure the KKK hates/hated the Irish that much? And on what grounds?

    Because they're basically the Orange Order with slack-jawed drawls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    There's a loose connection based on historical factors, but not a close bond. That's actually something I did a bit of reading up on. Guarantee you most of those yokels don't have an iota about the Orange Order.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Dinter


    Dudess wrote: »
    There's a loose connection based on historical factors, but not a close bond. That's actually something I did a bit of reading up on. Guarantee you most of those yokels don't have an iota about the Orange Order.

    Like most racist movements the KKK places great faith in endorsing irrational hatred of colour / creed as their motivations for attacking those different to them when their true motivations are completely different.

    While there are of course, slack jawed yokels ready to do whatever to "purify" or "defend" the race their real raison d'etre is purely to do with economics. The migrations of 18th and early 19th century delivered 100's of thousands of immigrants to America ready to do any work at whatever price. They were able to undercut the traditional WASP white thrash class and as a result drew the ire of those who stood to loose out financially.

    Interestingly enough, post emancipation, the original Night Riders were more concerned with driving out anyone they considered foreign. They deliberately targeted churches, businesses and families in an attempt to "cleanse" the Labour pool not the gene pool. The whole burning cross and disguises was an attempt to threaten and intimidate people into leaving. If they were on their way to murder the witnesses in a town that approved and backed their actions then why would they bother?

    Anyway they detested the Irish in particular who flooded into their traditional strongholds post Civil War. The reasons for this are varied but the most important being that local merchants would be more inclined to employ a white English speaking, Irish man rather than a freed black. The only reason however, that there were less outright murders was because State Legislatures placed more importance on the death of a white man than a black man whatever the white mans nationality. Also as it's a WASP movement you can imagine the traditional superiority that these would have for the prehensile Irish men turning up in their towns.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    I'd suspect that today much of that hatred for the Irish has died down...


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Dudess wrote: »
    I'd suspect that today much of that hatred for the Irish has died down...

    Whutchoo toawkin' bayut, chillun? We all fahtin' dem dayum Iraquish whut blew up thuh faggity-ass Yankee Trade Centuh afore we gots the chaynuce tuh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I don't see why Europeans would get offended. The KKK are modern day monsters, Halloweens all about dressing up as scary things not dressing up as cartoon characters and household products.

    I'm surprised everyone would take offense so quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    If the OP is coloured then I think its awesome, otherwise its a tad bit racist.

    You could always paint your and hands black to lighten it up a bit if you're white


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭shenanigans1982


    Caliden wrote: »
    If the OP is coloured then I think its awesome, otherwise its a tad bit racist.

    You could always paint your and hands black to lighten it up a bit if you're white

    Is this just an Irish thing or do they say it in other countries?....people want to know if he is black...not coloured.

    It can't be awesome or racist depending on the colour of his skin. It's either awesome or racist full stop.

    Personally I think it would be pretty funny but a lot of people wont.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Is this just an Irish thing or do they say it in other countries?....people want to know if he is black...not coloured.


    No, it's racist here too. Just an unfortunate choice of word.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭all the stars


    MIN2511 wrote: »
    So i decided to go as a member of the KKK clan for Halloween this year. A lot of people think its cool and a few people are offended.

    I ask the people of AH, dress as KKK or not?

    I remember seeing this guy - on Jerry Springer , he was black and was trying to be accepted as a member of the KKK.. full garb and all on...

    Twas hilarious. :D The white guys were really kinda more stupid and confused lookin than usual... think they were along the lines of anyone who hates the black people is welcome.. was really strange but very very funny.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,398 ✭✭✭MIN2511


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    No, it's racist here too. Just an unfortunate choice of word.

    Which is considered as racist?

    ******
    Black
    Coloured


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    No, it's racist here too. Just an unfortunate choice of word.

    They say it in other countries too. It encompasses all shades darker than white. Enlighten yourself a little.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    MIN2511 wrote: »
    Which is considered as racist?

    ******
    Black
    Coloured


    Coloured


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    They say it in other countries too. It encompasses all shades darker than white. Enlighten yourself a little.

    Apart from being anachronistic (as is black) in describing a characteristic in a subset of a population it is both offensive and non-specific. Offensive: in that it has a history of use in segregation in the US and has been used to describe people of mixed race who were afforded a different (slightly less discriminatory) position than "blacks" under US and South African law based on having some portion of "White" genealogy. Non-specific: because the term is unnecessarily generic (potentially could include all ethnic groups including North and South european.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    They say it in other countries too. It encompasses all shades darker than white. Enlighten yourself a little.
    But white people are a colour too, can I join?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    ScumLord wrote: »
    But white people are a colour too, can I join?


    When you put it like that, then black isn't a colour, rather the absence of light. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭shenanigans1982


    ScumLord wrote: »
    But white people are a colour too, can I join?


    Your kind aint welcome round those parts. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Your kind aint welcome round those parts. :pac:
    Damned minoritys with ye're clicky clubs.. I'm going to start my own club and it's only going to be white people in it and you can only wear white she.. mmm:o


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Damned minoritys with ye're clicky clubs.. I'm going to start my own club and it's only going to be white people in it and you can only wear white she.. mmm:o

    Call it the 256,256,256.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭RoundTower


    I wouldn't wear any costume that didn't offend someone.


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