Mary Harney is about to attack the head shops.

20-10-2008 03:44PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

"Mary Harney" and "head" in the same sentence.

*shudders*

" My head felt like it was gonna explode when Mary Harney sat on my face"

Dinter · 20-10-2008 03:56PM

Dragan wrote: »

LoL, and you claim not be a scare mongerer!

Ah that's not fair on Run_to_da_hills Dragan, give him a break.

You don't know what it's like. Having to always wear a long trench coat and dark glasses. Having to groom a pointy waxed moustache and constantly wear a tinfoil lined fedora tipped low over your eyes. How anytime you want to go somewhere you've to sneak from doorway to doorway. How you've to approach random strangers and say wierd stuff like "the wind in the East offers the hungry man hope". Having to work 17 different undercover jobs, 20 hours a day, 7 days a week to get the inside "scratch".

Have you ever had to dig a 350 foot tunnel surfacing under the Ceann Comhairle's seat so you can listen in despite there being a perfectly serviceable gallery? Have you ever had to sear your fingerpints off with an acid soaked brillo pad to avoid detection? Have you ever had to climb the RTE mast in Donnybrook in the middle of an icy gale, flapping trenchcoat getting caught every step of the way so you can try and find the secret mind control dish? Have you ever had to make passionate love to Mary Harney to learn about the Health Service from her pillow talk?

Have you ever been in hospital and known that every single patient in there was put there by the Government as a warning for you to stop your whistleblowing? Have you ever been driving down the road and known that the car that braked sharply in front of you wanted you to crash into them so you'd be silenced? Have you ever gone into a pub and known that the foreign lounge girl taking your order is actually a hired assasin ready to slip sodium penthatol into your drink to get you to talk?

No Dragan. You haven't. You've got no idea! These are the risks that patriots run so you can sleep safely at night.

Prof.Badass · 20-10-2008 04:49PM

Kaptain Redeye wrote: »

They're illegal in the States, and tbh for good reason

kratom is legal in the us.
salvia is legal in most states.
and i'm pretty sure some psychedelic catcii are still legal to buy provided they're fresh, and not prepared in any way.

Cookie_Monster · 20-10-2008 04:54PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Mary Harney is about to attack the head shops

With what, RFID chips?:p

Gran Hermano · 20-10-2008 04:59PM

My mistake, I read the thread title as
"Mary Harney is about to attack the bread shops"

I had this vision of her assaulting a counter full of eclairs, coffee slices
and other assorted cream cakes. (Not a pretty sight)

At least I now know our bakeries are safe.

20-10-2008 06:03PM

WindSock wrote: »

Ah well, more money for the illegal drug selling criminals now. And agree, legal highs are ****e. Worst side effects ever.

exotics are pieces of ****... never hav i had such a downer from anythin illegal.

kraggy · 20-10-2008 06:07PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There is reports that the minister of Health Mary Harney is currently in the process of passing a bill to outlaw the sale and supply of legal party pills which would include BZP benzylpiperazine. These have been sold for several years over the counter in head shops, on line and at various trade shows such as the RDS. There are arguments for and agaiinst the sale of these pills.

I'd be interested to hear your argument FOR their sale. Rotten things.

Run_to_da_hills · 20-10-2008 07:08PM

kraggy wrote: »

I'd be interested to hear your argument FOR their sale. Rotten things.

I have already mentioned that they are the ar*se end of recreational drugs from my own experience with them.

I have already stated my arguments for their sale as did other posters. If banned It will only drive the sale of herbal recreational drugs underground and further encourage the taking of extacy which is a class A drug. (I presume BZP will now become Class A as it is in the UK.)

Wertz · 20-10-2008 07:13PM

Maybe this woman should concentrate on the crisis in our healthcare, especially cancer mis diagnoses instead of going off on some EU-lead crusade against a substance which hasn't even killed anyone here yet. It's magic mushrooms all over again; smoke and mirrors, bumming and blowing and headline grabbing, to divert from important and difficult issues that no-one seemingly knows how or can be arsed to try and fix.
Congratluations Mary...another job well done.

BTW I have little time for headshops or the tattle they sell...IMO they merely fill a gap in the market left open by prohibition of actual drugs, and are creaming it off the back of that system... I have also never taken BZP nor have I any wish to...if I want to get an upper, I'll buy some pills or speed for a fraction of the price...

Tha Gopher · 20-10-2008 08:37PM

SetantaL wrote: »

But really, who gives a fluck. I wouldn't bother with them cheap useless rubbish anyway. The real thing is €5 off one of them dodgy spaniards in the Tripod anyway. Probably cheaper.

Indeed.

Close the Head Shops, they sell nothing but sh1t that is either completely ineffective (for those of you kidding yourself with Spice Gold, do you really think anyone in, say Holland, smokes that garbage?) or, in the case of BZP, downright dangerous. Worst night of my life was after taking that sh1t, unbelieveable stuff.

And that was November two years ago, god knows how it hasnt been banned.

And for any clown who believes it will drive the trade in BZP into the criminal underground, utter bollix. In truth, the head shop lads wish they had a better, legal chemical to sell. They dont. So they flog a 25 euro pack of three to, eventually, every person in this country who ever took ecstasy and enjoyed it. The vast majority of these people will never touch BZP again. The head shop lads, knowing their business is on its way out eventually, have made their money and will think about the future when it happens.

Now, taking the above example, relating to organised crime why the fcuk would the likes of Freddie Thompson and all the rest import, say, 200,000 BZP pills and flog them as ecstasy? It would half kill the ecstasy business overnight. People wouldnt touch street drugs again.

FlutterinBantam · 20-10-2008 09:30PM

Hope she shuts the kips down

daveharnett · 20-10-2008 10:08PM

Dragan wrote: »

I still say be rid of it, **** product.

So all products which do not meet with your approval should be prohibited?
While I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, I don't see how anyone benefits from their being banned.

What possible benefit can come from banning them? I see only two obvious consequences
1: Gangsters will make more money (tax free Mr. Lenihan).
2: 'Innocent' (or at least non-violent) customers will be criminalised.

JupiterKid · 20-10-2008 10:54PM

Mary Harney is simply trying to deflect attention off the medical card disgrace. She is a useless cow. Yes, let's go after the old, the young, the head shops, the students 9...insert minority group here...)

After all, they're not fat cat developer friends of the government, are they?:mad:

Tha Gopher · 21-10-2008 12:20AM

JupiterKid wrote: »

Mary Harney is simply trying to deflect attention off the medical card disgrace. She is a useless cow. Yes, let's go after the old, the young, the head shops, the students 9...insert minority group here...)

After all, they're not fat cat developer friends of the government, are they?:mad:

Oh grow up. It was a fair enough budget bar the education cuts. Medical card disgrace? Charlie Haughey was as entitled to a medical card as a regular Joe. Time they gave the elderly rich the boot they deserve.

Run_to_da_hills · 21-10-2008 01:01AM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Oh grow up. It was a fair enough budget bar the education cuts. Medical card disgrace? .

So the 1% hike in income tax on the minimum waged is "fair enough"? :rolleyes:

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Time they gave the elderly rich the boot they deserve.

You call someone who is earning more than €240 a week on a pension as the "elderly rich"? :rolleyes:

Calderin · 21-10-2008 01:28AM

I've never touched BZP myself but quite a few friends have, and each have said the same thing; that it is extremely dodgy. Most had horrific experiences whilst on it, followed by an absolutely horrible come down from it. These same people have been ecstasy users for years and have said that, even though noone really knows what's in the pills, that they've never had such a bad experience with the illegal drug. Though it hasn't killed anyone, or at least to my knowledge it hasn't, it is better off unavailable and particularly from children.Realistically, MDMA is quite a safe drug and could be a good alternative for those who don't want to drink on nights out, as you are in a lot more control of yourself than when you are drunk. However, due to the unregulation of the pills, dangerous chemicals are added and that is when the problems occur.Even at that, there's not a huge amount of deaths resulting from ecstasy, though I don't know how it compares in terms of deaths per user with alcohol, I would guess that it is "safer".However, we will never make any leeway with regards to legalising and regulating the safer of the illegal drugs until the USA does, and unfortunately I personally cannot see them budging for quite some time.Oh and also, I had to laugh at those critisizing Harney for being fat and incompetant, we were all aware how bad a job she does, we had an opportunity to get rid of her last year yet the majority of us voted to keep her. There's no point in getting mad with Fianna Fail at this stage, our anger should be targetting at those who support them, who voted for them again and who will vote for them in the future.

JC 2K3 · 21-10-2008 02:18AM

vinylmesh wrote: »

hah! i like the way that suddenly out of nowhere all the druggies descend on ah for a posting frenzy, the threads rack up the posts at tremendous speed and then suddenly they're gone for another few weeks.

where's jc-whatever his name is guy?

Here, but the majority of my posts aren't about drugs, and I'm on boards regularly enough.

Most of the party pills being sold by head shops these days are actually BZP free, so this won't actually effect much at all.

Also, I find it ridiculous that there've been 77 posts and not one person has noticed that Run_to_Da_Hills did not provide a source, and in fact there has been no news of Mary Harney saying anything about BZP or party pills in over a year, this being the last article I could find online on the subject:

Monday, October 08, 2007 :
Harney rules out herbal ecstasy ban

HEALTH Minister Mary Harney has said she has no plans to ban herbal ecstasy, despite concerns being raised about the pills, which produce a so-called legal high.

Herbal ecstasy is a term used to describe a combination of herbs that are legal and cheap. The pills are sold over the counter in a number of “alternative lifestyle” outlets in this country.

But medical experts have raised concerns about the pills, as they often contain benzylpiperazine (BZP), which can produce a similar high to amphetamines and has caused dangerous side- effects in some cases. BZP pills are banned in the US and Britain.

Earlier this year, Britain’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency warned vendors that selling the pills was illegal.

An agency statement said: “BZP can result in agitation, vomiting, abdominal pain, seizures, abnormal heart rhythms, colic, diarrhoea, allergic reactions and fever. In rare cases, users may suffer from serotonin syndrome, which can result in death.

“Experimental studies demonstrate that the abuse, dependence potential, pharmacology and toxicology of BZP are similar to those of amphetamine.”

Despite this, pills containing BZP are still legal here. In July the junior minister with responsibility for drugs, Pat Carey, indicated he was considering a ban on herbal ecstasy, saying he had “serious concerns” about it.

But Ms Harney has now ruled out the prospect of any such ban.

Responding to a parliamentary question from Labour TD Jack Wall, Ms Harney said herbal ecstasy was not among those substances banned under the Misuse of Drugs Act and there were no plans to add it to the list.

“Substances are scheduled under the act in accordance with the department’s obligations under international conventions and/or where there is evidence that the substances are causing significant harm to public health in Ireland,” she said.

“There are currently no plans to add herbal ecstasy to the list of scheduled substances.”

Tigger · 21-10-2008 11:47AM

Mordeth wrote: »

why can't that fat bitch just die already.

i assume she has private health insurance

Dragan · 21-10-2008 12:01PM

daveharnett wrote: »

So all products which do not meet with your approval should be prohibited?
While I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, I don't see how anyone benefits from their being banned.

What possible benefit can come from banning them? I see only two obvious consequences
1: Gangsters will make more money (tax free Mr. Lenihan).
2: 'Innocent' (or at least non-violent) customers will be criminalised.

Well, yes, or am i suddenly not allowed to have the same viewpoint as everyone else?

At the end of the day BZP is a bad product, with much worse sides than the majority of it's illegal counterparts.

I don't think it foolish, whilst i would be all for the legalisation of certain things, to remove other ones from the market.

Think about common perception, if something you can get legally can have such bad side affects, then surely the illegal ones must be worst?

This is simply not the case.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 12:31PM

Dragan wrote: »

I don't think it foolish, whilst i would be all for the legalisation of certain things, to remove other ones from the market.

Not banning bzp is actually a forward step. The fact that it hasn't been banned here shows that attitudes are changing amongst the general public.

I know all too well that it's dodgy ****e, but if other drugs were legal there'd be no need to remove bzp from the market, it would remove itself.

I really don't think there's anyone who uses bzp regularly, besides there's new stuff coming in such as MDPV for example.

btw if methylone/mephedrone are legal, then why are they not appearing in "party pills", and if they are, which one's?

Maybe in 10 years time some headshops will actually start selling mdma pills and the government will turn a blind eye (hey, i'm allowed be optimistic)!

Dragan · 21-10-2008 12:37PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

Not banning bzp is actually a forward step. The fact that it hasn't been banned here shows that attitudes are changing amongst the general public.

I know all too well that it's dodgy ****e, but if other drugs were legal there'd be no need to remove bzp from the market, it would remove itself.

I really don't think there's anyone who uses bzp regularly, besides there's new stuff coming in such as MDPV for example.

btw if methylone/mephedrone are legal, then why are they not appearing in "party pills", and if they are, which one's?

Maybe in 10 years time some headshops will actually start selling mdma pills and the government will turn a blind eye (hey, i'm allowed be optimistic)!

Methylone/mepherdone are, as far as i am aware, very close to MDMA with regard to chemical make up. They are basically reworked or copied from the original MDMA chemical design, brought far enough in one direction or another to no longer be MDMA ( once again, this is all just what i have read and may not be the case ).

As such, they are simply too close to the chemical components to bother developing any kind of brand investment or marketing around. They simply won't be legal for long enough to warrant that kind of investment.

Even then it is the big different of source with a fringe drug like those two and something established like in BZP.

You'd never know though, we could have products containing them very soon?

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 12:46PM

Dragan wrote: »

Methylone/mepherdone are, as far as i am aware, very close to MDMA with regard to chemical make up. They are basically reworked or copied from the original MDMA chemical design, brought far enough in one direction or another to no longer be MDMA ( once again, this is all just what i have read and may not be the case ).

methylone is just mdma with an extra oxygen stuck on. http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/chemistry/chemistry_compare.php?rm=&lm=methylone_3d (you'll have to compare it to mdma, for some reason i can't link you to the result.)

mephedrone is somewhat different. http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/chemistry/chemistry_compare.php?rm=&lm=4_methylmethcathinone_2d

again you'll have to drag up mdma yourself, as i can't link the result.

Dragan · 21-10-2008 12:50PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

methylone is just mdma with an extra oxygen stuck on. link

mephedrone is somewhat different. link

Awesome, cheers for the links dude!

mountainyman · 21-10-2008 02:08PM

Is that Khat derivative available in Irish headshops?
Please do not tell me where to get it as this is forbidden.

I would be grateful if someone could say yes or no.

Run_to_da_hills · 28-10-2008 09:28PM

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Also, I find it ridiculous that there've been 77 posts and not one person has noticed that Run_to_Da_Hills did not provide a source, and in fact there has been no news of Mary Harney saying anything about BZP or party pills in over a year, this being the last article I could find online on the subject:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/harney-to-outlaw-popular-party-pill-1511238.html

BLITZ_Molloy · 28-10-2008 09:30PM

Everybody I know who's into that sort of thing says BZP is nasty, nasty stuff.

ferdi · 28-10-2008 09:37PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwylBRucU7w

DarkJager · 28-10-2008 09:39PM

BZP is the devils own creation I'll tell ya that. Don't know why it is still sold and would be very happy to see it removed.

I'm only interested in Smoke, and as long as she keeps her chubby fingers off that, I'm happy out.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 28-10-2008 09:40PM

I was out with a bunch of friends last year year who took four BZP pills each. Needless to say it was a rough sunday for those guys. I laughed because I only abused my body with alcohol, making me better than them.

JimmyCrackCorn! · 28-10-2008 10:31PM

At least they wont have worms:D

Mary Harney is about to attack the head shops.

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