This is just PURE stupid and sad.

Dr_Teeth · 28-10-2008 09:14AM

Looks like hardly anyone actually read the article. The shooting happened at a gun range, the child wasn't handed a loaded gun in the middle of a crowded show. Guns are never loaded at gun shows.

Looks like they were at a range, the kid wanted to try an Uzi on full-auto, the dad was probably like "Sure he can handle it no problem", range officer loads it and hands it over, kid can't control the recoil and shoots himself.

brianthebard · 28-10-2008 09:34AM

Biggins wrote: »

I have a four year old child (1 of 3).
If in four years a person gives my child a loaded lethal weapon, I would gladly do jail time for punishing their stupid, crass and unjustifable actions.

WTF? He didn't rape the child, and while it was obviously a dumb thing to do, the parents were there and the guy didn't shoot the child. You're not well.

Jumpy · 28-10-2008 09:46AM

I saw a youtube video once where a fellow was shooting in the air at a wedding with a pistol (hey its the tradition in some countries) he put the pistol down on the table and his child (about 4) picked it up and started messing with it when the dad was looking at something else. He ended up shooting his dad. It was probably the most sickening thing I have ever seen.
Kids should not be allowed near guns. Neither should adults for that matter. BAN THE SHOOTING FORUM! *waves placard*

28-10-2008 09:49AM

What kind of American civilian needs a sub-machine gun? Machine guns are not typically used for hunting, but rather were designed to kill people. What does this say about them?

brianthebard · 28-10-2008 09:50AM

Jumpy wrote: »

I saw a youtube video once where a fellow was shooting in the air at a wedding with a pistol (hey its the tradition in some countries) he put the pistol down on the table and his child (about 4) picked it up and started messing with it when the dad was looking at something else. He ended up shooting his dad. It was probably the most sickening thing I have ever seen.
Kids should not be allowed near guns. Neither should adults for that matter. BAN THE SHOOTING FORUM! *waves placard*

If you were waving a gun you'd get it banned so much quicker.

28-10-2008 10:08AM

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Gummy Panda · 28-10-2008 10:23AM

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

What kind of American civilian needs a sub-machine gun? Machine guns are not typically used for hunting, but rather were designed to kill people. What does this say about them?

I agree.

Was just about post asking why they let a civilian never mind a kid near Military grade weapons.

Hagar · 28-10-2008 10:33AM

Why bring an eight year old to a gun show anyway?

star-pants · 28-10-2008 10:38AM

that's just crazy.... RIP little boy
how stupid does his father / gunman have to be?

giggsy664 · 28-10-2008 11:04AM

unislim

thelordofcheese · 28-10-2008 11:05AM

Biggins wrote: »

An 8 year old child in America managed to kill himself.
What happened? The child was at a gun show and a stall holder gave a loaded Uzi sub-machine gun to him.
The child managed to shoot himself in the head.

For fraks sake, when will people kop themselves on! :mad::mad::mad:

This is NOT an anti-American post - JUST an anti-stupid action post

Sad, just sad...

If someone gave my daughter or son a loaded weapon of any kind, I'd personally kill the person handing it over to them!

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=6121915&page=1

To be fair, i don't think we lost a cure for cancer with that one.....

Captain Darling · 28-10-2008 11:12AM

giggsy664 wrote: »

unislim

Unislim? wtf?

Quazzie · 28-10-2008 11:15AM

giggsy664 wrote: »

unislim

I'll have you know that I am just big boned.

\ runs to the corner to cry

ejmaztec · 28-10-2008 11:52AM

The kid's father got round the anti-smacking laws rather well, don't you think? He probably wouldn't eat his greens.

gandalf · 28-10-2008 11:56AM

Having fired an Uzi at a gun range in Las Vegas I know there is no way an eight year old could handle the recoil from one of these. I hardly could (well the instructor warned us so I fired low, cue 30 rounds in the nuts for the target

).

The parent and instructor should both be charged in this situation.

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

What kind of American civilian needs a sub-machine gun? Machine guns are not typically used for hunting, but rather were designed to kill people. What does this say about them?

Maybe they are a crap aim with a proper rifle. If you fire 30 rounds in the general direction of Bambi then you have Venison steak (with added lead!)

Biggins · 28-10-2008 02:26PM

brianthebard wrote: »

WTF? He didn't rape the child, and while it was obviously a dumb thing to do, the parents were there and the guy didn't shoot the child. You're not well.

The nearest parent was far away enough from the child (probably dad's interest was glued to another weapon gleefully).
Yes, it was beyond a dumb thing to do.
The guy didn't shoot the child - no one said he did - but by giving the LOADED Uzi to a child he is just as guilty as putting the gun to the child's head.

If someone handed your child a hand grenade would you consider the "giver" totally innocent? A live weapon is still a weapon no mater what form it takes!

ejmaztec · 28-10-2008 02:29PM

Biggins wrote: »

If someone handed your child a hand grenade would you consider the "giver" totally innocent? A live weapon is still a weapon no mater what form it takes!

You'd probably have to remind them to keep the pin and throw the grenade. :eek:

Latchy · 28-10-2008 02:35PM

There is an old saying that goes '' never point a loaded gun at somebody unless your going to use it '' ...including yourself .

Pity the poor kid never aimed it at the guy who gave it to him

brianthebard · 28-10-2008 03:30PM

Biggins wrote: »

The nearest parent was far away enough from the child (probably dad's interest was glued to another weapon gleefully).
Yes, it was beyond a dumb thing to do.
The guy didn't shoot the child - no one said he did - but by giving the LOADED Uzi to a child he is just as guilty as putting the gun to the child's head.

If someone handed your child a hand grenade would you consider the "giver" totally innocent? A live weapon is still a weapon no mater what form it takes!

What is far enough away??

if he was standing right beside the child he could've deflected the bullets or something? You said it was unjustifiable for a guy to give a child who went ot the gun range with his parents a gun, even though that's what the kid was there for. As someone pointed out earlier did you read the article?

Biggins · 28-10-2008 03:52PM

brianthebard wrote: »

What is far enough away?? if he was standing right beside the child he could've deflected the bullets or something? You said it was unjustifiable for a guy to give a child who went ot the gun range with his parents a gun, even though that's what the kid was there for. As someone pointed out earlier did you read the article?

Well, the article stated...

...Christopher Bizilj was testing a 9 mm Micro Uzi at the Westfield Sportsman's Club in Westfield, Mass., as part of the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo, when he shot himself Sunday.

I take it from the article: (1) The child was in a building that had a gun range (2) there was an show that was displaying guns.

If the father was closer (knowing what he surely must know running a hospital) he might have been able to help by at least co-holding the weapon. As it was, the child was holding it on his own and the recoil aided the accident.

I'm sure we both feel the safe way. It was a poor lack of judgement by at least two adults there. The price of that poor judgement being paid by the child.

Its just a sad incident that could have been easily avoided - but then again some people never learn - so what do you do? Take the weapons away so that those that are never perfect, have less interaction with these objects that at the end of the day - are designed to kill.
As for letting kids have them, my lord, thats just crazy!

Gran Hermano · 28-10-2008 04:05PM

And remember that the NRA say, "Guns don't kill people..." well it looks like American stupidity does.

Varkov · 28-10-2008 04:42PM

In all fairness, it was the kid's own fault.

Yes, the stall owner was partly to blame, as was the childs father, but it was the child who pulled the trigger.

MagicMarker · 28-10-2008 04:51PM

Varkov wrote: »

In all fairness, it was the kid's own fault.

Yes, the stall owner was partly to blame, as was the childs father, but it was the child who pulled the trigger.

Congratulations, you've just won dumbest post of the year!!!

Oshare Bones · 28-10-2008 04:51PM

Varkov wrote: »

but it was the child who pulled the trigger.

Ridiculous.

Sherifu · 28-10-2008 04:56PM

"Uzi at the Westfield Sportsman's Club"

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 28-10-2008 05:04PM

Oshare Bones wrote: »

Ridiculous.

MagicMarker wrote: »

Congratulations, you've just won dumbest post of the year!!!

why? if an eight year old child put their hand on a cooker ring, wouldn't you tell them it was their own fault and never to do it again? Unfortunately some mistakes you can't learn from, because your dead. This child made one of those mistakes.

Overheal · 28-10-2008 05:05PM

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

What kind of American civilian needs a sub-machine gun? Machine guns are not typically used for hunting, but rather were designed to kill people. What does this say about them?

The right to bear arms revolves around the protection of liberty. Its a measure to prevent against military dictatorship, along with hundreds of other preventive measures that restrict how military force can be used on american soil. Restricting the ownership to handguns and hunting rifles was duly considered a threat to that very concept, and even several gun shops own (working?) Anti-Tank Launchers - for display purposes only

Still, I agree that should have nothing to do with letting children hold firearms.

Gran Hermano wrote: »

And remember that the NRA say, "Guns don't kill people..." well it looks like American stupidity does.

Because we send our kids off into the hills with Ak-47 Klashnikovs. All the time.

dub_skav · 28-10-2008 05:15PM

Overheal wrote: »

The right to bear arms revolves around the protection of liberty. Its a measure to prevent against military dictatorship, along with hundreds of other preventive measures that restrict how military force can be used on american soil. Restricting the ownership to handguns and hunting rifles was duly considered a threat to that very concept, and even several gun shops own (working?) Anti-Tank Launchers - for display purposes only

Still, I agree that should have nothing to do with letting children hold firearms.

Because we send our kids off into the hills with Ak-47 Klashnikovs. All the time.

The Simpsons sums this up pretty well:

HOMER
But I have to have a gun! It's in the Constitution!

LISA
Dad! The Second Amendment is just a remnant from revolutionary days. It has no meaning today!

HOMER
You couldn't be more wrong, Lisa. If I didn't have this gun, the King of England could just walk in here any time he wants, and start shoving you around. (he starts pushing Lisa) Do you want that? Huh? Do you?

LISA
No...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 28-10-2008 05:21PM

well just look at iraq. if the iraqis didn't have guns, the american military would have a *much* easier time of it than they have been. Should it ever happen that america will be invaded, you can be damn sure the states with the strictest gun control laws will fall first, while the redneck hicks will defend themselves to the end.

--edit

it would be nice if the american people took their guns and marched on washington, but I suppose you can't have everything.

Dinter · 28-10-2008 05:24PM

I hardly think some random collection of gun nut militias could stand up to the US army if there was a dictatorship in place, whether or not they had access to automatic weapons.

Frankly though I'm not American so don't understand the importance of this amendment. I do think it's funny how the average American allows their civil rights to be quashed with such initiatives as the Patriot Act but is actually capable of mustering an interest in something as pointless as owning a gun to defend their "liberty"!

This is just PURE stupid and sad.

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