Why do ppl hate veggies?

ztoical wrote: »

This is the vegan & vegetarian forum so of course there will be more veggies posting on this thread then if it were posted in another forum.

I was referring to the question.

rubadub wrote: »

I can understand people hating people who deem them stupid, like that poster did.

An inability to see a post in context only proves my (tongue in cheek) theory.

Tabitharose wrote: »

As someone who would be very interested in animal rights, the behaviour of groups that undertake that kind of activity in recent years has ensured that I will never get involved to any degree in any kind of animal rights group - I make the best decisions I can about the products I personally buy etc but the existence of nutters digging up & stealing someone's body has I think turned a huge number of people away from any involvement and understandably so IMO.

I think this is a ridiculous statement to make, you are tarring all animal rights groups with the same brush, and if as you say, you don't get involved then you obviously don't know some of the great work that many do. Its only the fringe nutters who do these extreme acts that are certainly not condoned by the animal rights movement as a whole.

Maybe you should do some reading up before you make such ignorant posts

ZYX wrote: »

As long as you accept you are not eating meat free simply "low meat". The cheese will not be vegetarian, the wine to either drink or used in cooking will not be vegetarian, stocks used will probably be meat based, many sauces will contain meat and anything deep fried will also contain meat

If a choice is on the menu as vegetarian - then these things will not be an issue.

CDfm wrote: »

My point being is that we are always used to hearing gratuitous comments by vegetarians on what the rest of us eat...

CDfm wrote: »

but its usually vegeterians who want to arrogantly convert the rest of us at mealtimes

Seriously, where do you eat?!? you seem to have had a terrible time from the few veggies you know. I have never tried to convert anyone. The veggies I know wouldn't either. It seems the majority of veggie posters here wouldn't try to convert anybody, so where are you getting this opinion from?

Tabitharose wrote: »

I've been a veggie for the last 13 years..... I've never felt "under attack" from anyone over my choices - slagged in a light hearted way or questioned in an interested way but never attacked..... Mind you then again I never comment on what others are eating

Thats my point exactly, I have never felt under attack or hated. In fact even the thought of it is ridic to me. And I also wouldn' comment, so it begs the question, are the veggies who feel victimised, the very people the omnis are giving out about - the preachy types who put themselves in the position of feeling like they have to defend themselves?

CDfm wrote: »

Vegetarian is a lifestyle choice and I am fine with that.Each to their own.

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Great

CDfm wrote: »

IM not into the whole argument Peta and all that. But when I see animal rights activists doing things like digging up and kidnapping dead bodies in the UK as a form of protest I loose all sympathy with animal rights activists. While I would have had some concerns on testing on animals -that one excluded me as a supporter and it would be very difficult - almost impossible so dont try -to get me back on board.

Groups like peta do annoy the hell out of me. I would never be associated with a group like that because of the stupid stunts they pull. They manage to make anybody with an interest in animal right look like a nut job. And only take away from the seriousness of the issue.

taibhse wrote: »

I think this is a ridiculous statement to make, you are tarring all animal rights groups with the same brush, and if as you say, you don't get involved then you obviously don't know some of the great work that many do. Its only the fringe nutters who do these extreme acts that are certainly not condoned by the animal rights movement as a whole.

Maybe you should do some reading up before you make such ignorant posts

So the people shoving leaflets showing cases of extreme cruelty into the hands of children in buggies are fringe nutters too? (this actually happened to my sister, my mother went back to them, handed it back and told them that she would no longer support their cause.)
It's stunts like that, which would not be considered extreme that would cause me to :rolleyes: and ignore what they are saying.

helena.ryan wrote: »

Seriously, where do you eat?!?

+1 this is the part that I don't get. The most attention I ever pay to what other people are eating when eating out is to ask if people are ordering just a main dish or are we going all out and getting starters and desert/tea/coffee. Seriously have you nothing better to talk about during your meals other then what everyone else is eating?

helena.ryan wrote: »

where are you getting this opinion from?

I would like to know that too, exactly how many times has this happened to or have you witnessed it when eating out? I'm trying to think of any one time myself, anyone I know, or just random strangers eating at a different table have started going on about being veggie. Where are you eating or who are you eating with that this is a regular enough diner conversation topic to make you want to bitch about it online?

I am vegan, and avoid telling people that I am unless I am asked. And usually I say I am a vegetarian, to avoid the lengthy explanations that are mostly met with misunderstanding and disbelief. I am so sick of the battering I get I tell people that I am vegan mainly because I like the way it makes me feel :light and energetic. As this cannot be argued with, people usually end the illy questioning there. These days I tend to stay away from the animals rights rhetoric and remain vegan mainly because I truly do like how I physically feel from it.
here is a few statistics which are hugely relevent to anyone interested in the benefits of a vegan or vegetarian diet. NOTE: I said "to anyone interested" so it is not intended in being preachy and if it is perceived so, that is in the hands of the reader.......even if you think statistics in general are nothing to go by,at this level you could halve the %s in favour of veganism and still have very convincing figures.....

The Hunger Argument:
Number of People worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60 million
Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if Americans reduced meat intake by 10%: 60 million
Human beings in America: 243 million
Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by US livestock: 1.3 billion
Percentage of corn grown in US eaten by people: 20%
Percentage of corn grown in US eaten by livestock: 80%
Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90%
Percentage of oats grown in US eaten by livestock: 95%
How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20, 000 lbs
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165 lbs
Percentage of US farmland devoted to beef production: 56%
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce 1 pound of feedlot beef: 16 lbs.

The Environmental Argument:
Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
Primary cause of greenhouse effect: Carbon Dioxide from fossil fuels
Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 50 times more
Percentage of US topsoil lost to date: 75%
Percentage of US topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85%
Number of acres of US forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million acres
Amount of meat US imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Panama: 200, 000, 000 pounds
Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salveador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Panama: Less than eaten by average US house cat
Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every quarter-pounder hamburger: 55 sq. ft.
Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1, 000 species extinct per year

The Cancer Argument:
Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat four times a week vs. less than once a week: 4 times
Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat eggs daily vs less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat cheese and butter 3 or more times a week vs less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who consume meat, cheese, eggs and milk daily vs sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times

The Natural Resources Argument:
User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the US: Livestock production
Amount of water to produce a pound of wheat: 25 gallons
Amount of water to produce a pound of meat: 2, 500 gallons
Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by US taxpayer: $35/pound
Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no longer subsidized: $89
Years the world's known oil reserves will last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13 years
Years the world's known oil reserves will last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260 years
Barrels of oil imported into US daily: 6.8 million
Percentage of fossil fuel energy returned as food energy by most efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5 percent
Percentage returned as food energy from least efficient plant food: 328%
Percentage of raw materials consumed by US to produce present meat-centered diet: 33%

The Cholesterol Argument:
Number of US Medical Schools: 125
Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30
Nutrition training received by average US physician during four years in medical school: 2.5 hours
Most common cause of death in the US: Heart attack
How frequently a heart attack kills in the US: Every 45 seconds
Average US man's risk of death from heart attack: 50%
Risk for average US man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15%
Risk for average US vegan man: 4%
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption of animal products by 10 percent: 9%
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption of animal products by 50 percent: 45%
Amount you reduce risk by changing to a vegan diet: 90 percent
Meat, dairy, and egg industries claim you should not be concerned about your blood cholesterol if it is: "normal"
Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is "normal": greater than 50%

The Antibiotic Argument:
Percentage of US antibiotics fed to livestock: 55%
Percentage of staph infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13%
Percentage of staph infections resistant to penicillin in 1988: 91%
Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: Ban
Response of US meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: Full and complete support

The Pesticide Argument:
Percentage of pesticide residues in the US diet supplied by grains: 1%
Percentage of pesticide residues in the US diet supplied by fruits: 4%
Percentage of pesticide residues in the US diet supplied by vegetables: 6%
Percentage of pesticide residues in the US diet supplied by dairy products: 23%
Percentage of pesticide residues in the US diet supplied by meat: 55%
Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat eating mothers vs non-meat eating: 35 times higher
What USDA tells us: Meat is inspected
Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxic chemicals such as dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004%

The Ethical Argument:
Number of animals killed for meat per hour in US: 500, 000
Occupation with highest turnover rate in US: Slaughterhouse Worker
Occupation with the highest rate of on-the-job injury in US: Slaughterhouse
Worker Cost to render animal unconscious with "captive bolt pistol": 1 cent
Reason given by meat industry for not using "captive bolt pistol": Too expensive

population of the United States of America is estimated at 305,508,000 in 2008.
it would of been 243 in the mid-nineties, when I guess the stats are based. All figures are comparative, therefore they apply in broad context, and if anything are more relevant these days, considering mis-use of land, food shortages and rising cost of food.
the indispensable FACT is that if you fed people with the grain used to feed cows and livestock in general, that would be a hugely more beneficial and effecient use of land.

Not to mention the amount of water (something that is becoming more precious as the years tick by) that is used to rear animals, compared to vegetables. This is simple common sense, you do not need any statistic to back it up.

Basically this planet is not and will not sustain itself because to the mis-use of resources caused by peoples diet.

Personally I am vegan because of the health benefits, but knowing my diet is environmentally beneficial too makes me want to share this information, considering a lot of people these days care about the environment and want to know what effect their lifestyle has on it.If you do not care, then avoid the information provided, simple as that.

One of my best friends is a vegan. Even though I make jokes about the fact he's a vegan, I respect his choice.

I wouldnt say I hate vegans, but it does affect the people around you. Several times we've gone out he has to check wine bottles, spend 10 minutes asking (mostly foreign) waitresses/people in takeaways etc, whats in this? whats in that? is that cooked in this? Its just really annoying. If he's down at my house, he won't sit on the leather couches so another chair has to be brought in for him.

Like I said, he's happy doing this, but it annoys me and other friends. I've refused to go on a holiday with him because theres no way I'm sitting in a spanish restaurant or bar where he's asking if the rice was boiled or fried.

Not to mention the fact that he went to a nutritionist who told him he shouldn't be a vegan, vegetarian yes, but not a vegan, yet he still just buys more vitamins and stuff.

Like I said, I kinda respect his choice, because it is his choice, but its very frustrating hanging about with him because of all this