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Why do ppl hate veggies?

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    #62
    ZYX
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    helena.ryan wrote: »
    There are plenty of restaurants who have loads of veggie choice. In those that dont, I will often order a starter and a side (a lot of places have great veggie starters). It is pretty annoying when you can only get pasta in places.

    happy-093.gif

    But then again
    "if you dont like italian, dont go to an italian restaurant, don't like indian, dont go to an indian restaurant, if you don't like meat, don't go......etc"


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    #63
    Oshare Bones
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    Washout wrote: »
    why do humans have to be so judgemental on what a person looks like, chooses to wear, philosphies of life, and what one chooses or doesnt choose to eat.

    Would you judge me if I start digging up and eating human corpses? There's that argument out the window.

    You have to accept some people care for the welfare of animals and some will judge you for being directly or indirectly responsible for an animals suffering by your choice of eating meat.


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    #64
    taibhse
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    I'm a veggie who would be vegetarian even if it was unhealthy, i.e for moral reasons.

    Have to say I've never felt "victimised" by meat-eaters, most people I know are understanding and if I'm going out for dinner with a group, they will always makes sure there's something there I can eat.
    Veggies are just opinionated bores in my experience. Difficult to eat out and hence socialise with.

    Climate expert is just a pathetic little troll and completely off topic, coincidentally I just happened to be reading a post where you were completely PWNED :D

    Linky if anyone fancies a giggle


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    #65
    ztoical
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    ZYX wrote: »
    But then again
    "if you dont like italian, dont go to an italian restaurant, don't like indian, dont go to an indian restaurant, if you don't like meat, don't go......etc"

    does that mean if you don't drink alcohol you shouldn't go to a pub?

    I eat out 99% of the time for the company not the food, I don't worry about whats on the menu. In recent years the veggie selection at most places has improved leaps and bounds but even if I went somewhere that had feck all for veggies I wouldn't notice I'll have a side dish or something and just enjoy the company - plenty of food to eat at home. I would only look to go to a veggie friendly place if it was my birthday because well its my birthday and I should get to pick the place but same goes for friends birthdays, I've ended up in clubs I hate [Q bar in Dublin, yuck] cus it was a mates birthday and their choice.

    People doing Weight Watchers are far more painful and judgmental to eat out with IMHO.


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    #66
    ScouseMouse
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    I used to work in a chipper and had a woman go completely over the top. I dont want anything that shares a tray with meat, anything that was near meat, etc etc etc.

    We eventually cooked her something in the fryer. She didnt ask what we used to fry with. At the time we used LARD which is refined cow fat !!!!:D:D:D:D


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    Slaphead07
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    superscouse wrote: »
    We eventually cooked her something in the fryer. She didnt ask what we used to fry with. At the time we used LARD which is refined cow fat !!!!:D:D:D:D

    You do realise this tells us far more about you than about her don't you? and none of it complimentary.


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    #68
    Tar.Aldarion
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    Why are you discussing how we have had to evolve? It does not matter one bit if we were designed by nature to be omnivores or herbivores. If we were designed to be omnivores that does not mean I think we should eat meat and plants. If we were designed to be herbivores I do not believe we should just eat plants. These are not the reasons you should use when deciding what to eat. Do you not think for yourself? Are you bound by your nature and just follow whatever animal instinct you have? have we not risen above that?

    "The naturalistic fallacy is the belief that what is natural is necessarily good (and that what is unnatural is bad). That is, what is is also what ought to be (hence is often called the is-ought fallacy)."

    To my mind the question isn't whether we are biologically designed to eat meat. The question is 'Should we eat meat?'
    Each person should decide that for themselves. I have decided to not kill for my dietary pleasure, simple as, as I do not need to. If I killed and ate animals, I would have no qualms doing the same to humans, I don't see a difference. You are no different to me than any other animal. Do what you want yourself.


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    #69
    Nature Boy
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    Washout wrote: »
    I dont think that people hate veggies...its really just down to lack of understaning to why

    I agree with this. In my experience, people generally don't know what it is and are confused by it. I've had loads of people take the piss (and I've yet to hear a good joke about veggies :rolleyes:) but I've never had anyone be aggressive.


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    #70
    Quint
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    Oshare Bones wrote: »
    I doubt there's a single meat-eater in the world who hasn't thought just once "I wonder did this pig/cow/chicken/etc suffer before making it to my plate".
    Think you're very wrong there! I never thought that once.
    Anyway, vegetarians kill plenty of animals with their choice of food. http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html


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    #71
    ZYX
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    ztoical wrote: »
    I eat out 99% of the time for the company not the food, I don't worry about whats on the menu. In recent years the veggie selection at most places has improved leaps and bounds but even if I went somewhere that had feck all for veggies I wouldn't notice I'll have a side dish or something and just enjoy the company - plenty of food to eat at home. .
    As long as you accept you are not eating meat free simply "low meat". The cheese will not be vegetarian, the wine to either drink or used in cooking will not be vegetarian, stocks used will probably be meat based, many sauces will contain meat and anything deep fried will also contain meat


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    #72
    Biro
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    Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »
    If I killed and ate animals, I would have no qualms doing the same to humans, I don't see a difference. You are no different to me than any other animal.

    I don't hate vegetarians, I just hate that arguement there!
    Do you wash your hands? Gasp!! Bacteria murderer!! An equally illogical arguement.


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    #73
    Quint
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    Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »
    If I killed and ate animals, I would have no qualms doing the same to humans, I don't see a difference. You are no different to me than any other animal. Do what you want yourself.
    What about all the bugs you kill when you use any form of transport? If you stand on a spider do you feel the same way as you would if you accidently killed a human? You have the stereotypical vegetarian attitude that I didn't actually think existed!


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    #74
    CDfm
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    snip, no nonsense posts or banned.

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    #75
    sweet-rasmus
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    This arguement is getting silly.




    The original post was:
    Why do ppl hate veggies?
    I've been a veggie on and off (mainly on by a long shot though) for over 10 yrs and during that time I have found myself under attack time and time again by hardcore meat eaters who think that just because I'm a vegetarian they have a right to attack my choices, criticise them, ridicule them and generally try to get up my back about it. This includes my mates too not just dickheads!
    why do ppl think they have the right to do this? If it were a religion it would not be acceptable! I am sick of having to defend myself against these ppl who also constantly assume I'm some sort of preaching puritan who's going to try and convert them to vegetarianism and make them feel guilty for eating meat, which I have never done! IN fact I never bring up vegetarianism except with my veggie friends cos it's not worth the aggro, anyone else experience the same?
    I don't give them grief or ridicule their choice to eat meat so why should they do it to us? It's so disrespectful! Thankfully i live in an all vegetarian house now yay!



    Opinions on this please? It is a personal choice to be vegetarian and the last few posts attack this choice.




    If you look back at the charter:
    Proselytizing is a bannable offence on this forum. In other words, no telling people they're chosen diet is wrong. Some examples would be a meat-eater calling all vegetarians stupid*, or vegans calling lacto vegetarians unethicalª. There is no universal right and wrong when it comes to food. No guilt trips please, just friendly support & chat.


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    #76
    Tar.Aldarion
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    Biro wrote: »
    I don't hate vegetarians, I just hate that arguement there!
    Do you wash your hands? Gasp!! Bacteria murderer!! An equally illogical arguement.
    Where is the argument, what are you talking about? All I said was you are no different than a dog to me, so?
    This is what I think, that does not mean this is how somebody else would be or should be.
    Quint wrote: »
    What about all the bugs you kill when you use any form of transport? If you stand on a spider do you feel the same way as you would if you accidently killed a human? You have the stereotypical vegetarian attitude that I didn't actually think existed!
    Yes, if I have no emotional attachment to either, what is the difference? Should I feel more regret if one is the same species as me, why?
    What are you to me that I should feel you are more important that a sheep?


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    #77
    CDfm
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    CDfm wrote: »
    snip, no nonsense posts or banned.

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    My point being is that we are always used to hearing gratuitous comments by vegetarians on what the rest of us eat.If someone- a vegeterian - did that in my house I would ask them to stop or leave as I would think they were not being polite.

    My view is if it swims , has wings or four legs or slithers and it wont poison you then Im all for trying it out.

    Thats not nonsense - if a road kill pheasant came my way I would have people around for dinner and prepare it myself.

    I dont see why I should apologize for that- I feel a lot of vegetarians push it too far- thats my view.


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    #78
    Quint
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    banned for abuse.


    Tar.


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    #79
    Tar.Aldarion
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    My point being is that we are always used to hearing gratuitous comments by vegetarians on what the rest of us eat.If someone- a vegeterian - did that in my house I would ask them to stop or leave as I would think they were not being polite.

    My view is if it swims , has wings or four legs or slithers and it wont poison you then Im all for trying it out.

    Thats not nonsense - if a road kill pheasant came my way I would have people around for dinner and prepare it myself.

    I dont see why I should apologize for that- I feel a lot of vegetarians push it too far- thats my view.
    Then say it coherently like above and you don't get the comment deleted etc. that is fine.
    Personally have never heard these comments that you are used to(?) hearing about what you are eating. That might be the case with a peta member in america, this is Ireland and I have never heard any such thing. It's generally the opposite, once somebody finds out you are a vegetarian they always go on about it. That is why nobody I have worked with has known I am one and the only reason my friends know is because my girlfriend told one and he of course told everybody else.


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    #80
    Tar.Aldarion
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    Off topic posts deleted, including mine. Keep on topic as per the original query.
    No more hypotheticals or people arguing about whether or not we are designed in a blah blah way. Make other threads if you wish to discuss these.


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    #81
    Paparazzo
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    My post was on topic. But I'll rephrase it
    Why do ppl hate veggies?
    I think people would hate anyone that thought a childs life was equally as important as a slugs. Obviously not your opinion Tara or other vegetarians on here, but I would put the childs life above the slugs.
    I think when vegetarians have the attitude that a persons life is not more important than anyone elses in the animal kingdom, people will have no respect for them. I wouldn't go as far as "hate" as the OP says.


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    #82
    CDfm
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    but its usually vegeterians who want to arrogantly convert the rest of us at mealtimes


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    #83
    Nature Boy
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    Wow, this thread is getting pretty crazy. Who would have thought that simply not eating a certain kind of food would cause such heated debate!


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    #84
    Tabitharose
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    I've been a veggie for the last 13 years..... I've never felt "under attack" from anyone over my choices - slagged in a light hearted way or questioned in an interested way but never attacked..... Mind you then again I never comment on what others are eating other than to ask if they're enjoying their dinner / lunch whatever - actually that's a lie - if they're eating sausages I nearly always say "I miss sausages" cause I do :D (have yet to find veggie sausages that aren't plain nasty)


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    #85
    Sam Kade
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    Judging by all the veggie preachers on this thread it should have been called why do people hate meat eaters.


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    #86
    Nature Boy
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    Tabitharose wrote: »
    (have yet to find veggie sausages that aren't plain nasty)

    Have you tried Cauldron lincolnshire sausages? They're the best in my opinion.

    EDIT: Wouln't mind trying these ones: http://www.cauldronfoods.co.uk/index.php/products/organic-glamorgan-sausages/#more-85 They sound pretty good


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    #87
    CDfm
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    Ya Sam - its the veggie preachers.

    Vegetarian is a lifestyle choice and I am fine with that.Each to their own.

    Its not one I subscribe to and love my meat -I dont feel guilty about it and dont see it as a form of cannibalism.

    What makes people dislike vegetarians is the preachiness. Its cringe inducing and embarressing to hear vegetarian arguments- especially if you know the person.I would be sensitive not to eat steak in front of a Hindu etc-but similarily I would expect them not to try to convert me- which I have had from veggies.

    I find it incredible that vegetarians would ascribe equal rights to puppies as they are animals as they would to humans. If there was a house on fire and I had a choice to save a baby or a litter of puppies I would pick the baby.It goes without saying I am not going to eat the baby.

    IM not into the whole argument Peta and all that. But when I see animal rights activists doing things like digging up and kidnapping dead bodies in the UK as a form of protest I loose all sympathy with animal rights activists. While I would have had some concerns on testing on animals -that one excluded me as a supporter and it would be very difficult - almost impossible so dont try -to get me back on board.


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    #88
    Nature Boy
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    CDfm wrote: »
    What makes people dislike vegetarians is the preachiness. Its cringe inducing and embarressing to hear vegetarian arguments- especially if you know the person.I would be sensitive not to eat steak in front of a Hindu etc-but similarily I would expect them not to try to convert me- which I have had from veggies.

    I find it incredible that vegetarians would ascribe equal rights to puppies as they are animals as they would to humans. If there was a house on fire and I had a choice to save a baby or a litter of puppies I would pick the baby.It goes without saying I am not going to eat the baby.

    IM not into the whole argument Peta and all that. But when I see animal rights activists doing things like digging up and kidnapping dead bodies in the UK as a form of protest I loose all sympathy with animal rights activists. While I would have had some concerns on testing on animals -that one excluded me as a supporter and it would be very difficult - almost impossible so dont try -to get me back on board.

    Well there's always going to be extremists, but try not to tar us all with the same brush. I for one like to consider myself relatively normal :)
    I guess if vegetarians are going to be aggressive towards meat eaters, then they can expect the same in return. That said, meat eaters should not assume all veggies are going to be 'preachy'. I know plenty of veggies and have not known any to 'preach'.


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    #89
    CDfm
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    I will try not to baste you all with the same marinade .

    Theres no tar in my house.


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    #90
    Cianos
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    Nearly everyone is a meat eater by default. One has to make a conscious decision not to eat meat. Those who do decide not to eat meat make that decision because they have moral issues with where their food is coming from. As shown above, the qualms between meat eaters/vegetarians usually comes down to conflicting egos. Obviously nobody likes to think of themselves as immoral, and nobody likes someone who tries to impose their morals on someone else.

    Vegetarians simply feel stronger about the issue, have put more thought in to it on average (hence following through with the conscious decision not to do what they have been doing by default).

    I'm not saying that vegetarians are morally superior, or anything like that, it's just a different way of putting your morals in to practice. I don't look down on anyone who is a meat eater, the same way I don't look down on someone who doesn't donate to charity or whatever. Everyone has their own way of practising their morals.

    My personal view is that it is fine to eat meat. I wouldn't call a lion that eats an antelope immoral, so why should I call a human that eats a cow immoral? Go out and shoot a pheasant, or go fishing and eat your catch, I wouldn't have a problem with this whatsoever. However, the way in which the meat industry operates, and the level of torture the animals are put through is completely unacceptable. That is my moral issue and that's why I don't want to eat meat.

    I'm quite sure that if you organised tours through meat factories for regular meat-eaters-by-default, a significant % of those people would choose to become vegetarian. In the same way that if you organised tours through child labour factories, a significant % of those people would vow never to buy from brands that use these factories. Everyone knows it's wrong, but they're just not close enough to the reality to care much about it.

    The argument could run for pages about what is natural, what is more healthy, so eat what you like tbh, but if you choose to eat meat you have to accept upfront that you are supporting an industry that is despicably cruel and torturous.


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    #91
    Tabitharose
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    Nature Boy wrote: »
    Have you tried Cauldron lincolnshire sausages? They're the best in my opinion.

    thanks for the tip ;)will give them a go
    CDfm wrote: »
    Vegetarian is a lifestyle choice and I am fine with that.Each to their own.

    That's my opinion too (about meat eaters :)) it's a lifestyle choice & it's one a person has to make for themselves - preachers are extremely annoying be they veggies vegans or meat eaters lol...

    CDfm wrote: »
    But when I see animal rights activists doing things like digging up and kidnapping dead bodies in the UK as a form of protest I loose all sympathy with animal rights activists. While I would have had some concerns on testing on animals -that one excluded me as a supporter and it would be very difficult - almost impossible so dont try -to get me back on board.

    As someone who would be very interested in animal rights, the behaviour of groups that undertake that kind of activity in recent years has ensured that I will never get involved to any degree in any kind of animal rights group - I make the best decisions I can about the products I personally buy etc but the existence of nutters digging up & stealing someone's body has I think turned a huge number of people away from any involvement and understandably so IMO.


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