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When walking the mean streets, how do you protect yourself?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭LouOB


    I just fart


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    pwd wrote: »
    avoid the mean streets and go down the safer ones
    mind my own business and look vaguely cross

    tasers are illegal. How do you know the guy is in prison; is it as a result of trying to steal your car? If so you obviously lied about your illegal weapon, assuming this was in Ireland? You're quite smug about it too.

    i'd be quite smug about it if i was him

    course i like leaving my bedroom so i'm glad i'm me


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    When walking the mean streets, how do you protect yourself?
    Night-time (or day if your in an unsafe situation)

    1. Keep a key, a pen, even a handle of a brush etc in your hand. Keep your hand and the object in your pocket. Go for areas that will not cause serious harm. Once the attacker is in pain, it usually enough distraction for one to run.
    2. If in trouble do not shout help. Seriously. Studies have shown that people react more to "Fire" than they do to "Help" because they don't want to get involved. Shouting "fire" indicates a more immediate threat to their persons as well and as such gets you more attention.
    3. Do NOT walk close to walls as night. Stay more on the outside to the road as is safe. Staying close to walls traps you more and lessens your path options of getting away. Your easier to surround.
    4. Coming up to and passing an alleyway? If possible step further out away from the entrance of the alleyway, making outward curved path around the entrance.
    5. If you think you are followed, don't be afraid to go to the nearest door (that has lights in the house) and knock on it. State your fears and ask can you use a phone/mobile to ring for taxi - if no money for fare, ask if they will allow you to stay for a few minutes till coast is clear.
    6. On bus/train at night, stay as close to the driver or doors as possible. Stand if necessary.
    7. NEVER keep all your money in one place on you. If pickpocketed (sadly the chances of this will increase up to Xmas) at least they won't get everything.
    8. Got an umbrella? Use it not only to defend but use it to push the attacker away backwards. The bigger the distance between them and you, the less the chance a knife can reach you.
    9. Use windows. If you think you are followed cross the road if possible. Look in a window (as if window shopping) and use the reflection of the window to see behind you, forwards and backwards on both sides. REMEMBER: a good stalker will not be behind you. More than likely that person will be across the road trailing behind.
    10. If confronted - only then step up/into a doorway. Even in such a small enclosure, the angles that you can be attacked from are lessened. They cannot come at you from behind and to the sides there is less of an angle. Remember those keys in your hands?
    11. Always keep emergency taxi money on you. I don't care if you are down to your last packet of cigs - save your money = save your life!
    12. If you are leaving somewhere - if possible, tell someone at your destination that your on the way and your approx time of arrival to home/destination.
    13. Use street lights! As you pass a street lamp, glance at the ground. If someone is behind you or coming up fast behind you, their shadow will be close to yours on the ground. DON'T STOP. Step outwards/cross road, stay calm (not easy), have ready object in your hands or go to door/taxi, etc...
    14. Day or night if you think you are followed, step into a nearest shop/garage. If you don't want to explain your situation, at least use the windows from inside to observe out. Also go to a spot in the shop that allows you to see the doorway from inside but not allows you to be seen from outside the property window. After a while a "follower" will wonder where you have gotten to. He/she will enter the shop to locate you. From your inside advantage point, you can then spot a possible (unfortunately) frequent face!
    15. If your walking home at night, vary your route once in a while if possible. That way, its harder for your attacker to make their move.
    16. Never go anywhere without knowing first where the exits are. It will save your life!
    17. Goes without saying but must be repeated. Walking home? Wear something cheap and bright. This is not only for cars to spot you but for others to do so (its better to be seen by 15 people and 1 stalker in any one minute than not seen by 15 people and only seen by 1 stalker!) . If you feel your followed suddenly, take a second to go somewhere out of sight, dump/fold up/etc the bright clothing and use darker clothing to melt into the background. Wearing a cap, dump it (into a bag/pocket/etc) or visa-versa changing your look.

    There is more but that's the ones that springs to mind at the mo!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,589 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    With my mouth.

    No not that, i try talking them down.

    If that doesn't work i've got two tickets to the gun show. Unfortunately the gun show has left town so i'll just pull a legger and if i'm caught up with, do whatever i can.

    One piece of advice. Keep a stash of money on you away from your main supply. If you get mugged hand him this money. They are people too and likely to be nervous so will take whatever they can get and run for it, leaving you with most of your money still, and him off getting high on whatever.


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    rape your attacker....thatl learn 'em!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 370 ✭✭ccosgrave


    I've never had any issues so far, but I do try to look as though I'm pissed off when I'm walking in unfamiliar territory.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    or, you can just act absolutly ****ing crazy and start running around in circles praising the devil and repeatadly saying *no mommy, dont hurt me* ,sit down , start drooling, grab your knees and rock back and forth while focusing and the ground....

    nobody will touch you if they think you're fücking loopers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    Biggins wrote: »
    Night-time (or day if your in an unsafe situation)

    1. Keep a key, a pen, even a handle of a brush etc in your hand. Keep your hand and the object in your pocket. Go for areas that will not cause serious harm. Once the attacker is in pain, it usually enough distraction for one to run.
    2. If in trouble do not shout help. Seriously. Studies have shown that people react more to "Fire" than they do to "Help" because they don't want to get involved. Shouting "fire" indicates a more immediate threat to their persons as well and as such gets you more attention.
    3. Do NOT walk close to walls as night. Stay more on the outside to the road as is safe. Staying close to walls traps you more and lessens your path options of getting away. Your easier to surround.
    4. Coming up to and passing an alleyway? If possible step further out away from the entrance of the alleyway, making outward curved path around the entrance.
    5. If you think you are followed, don't be afraid to go to the nearest door (that has lights in the house) and knock on it. State your fears and ask can you use a phone/mobile to ring for taxi - if no money for fare, ask if they will allow you to stay for a few minutes till coast is clear.
    6. On bus/train at night, stay as close to the driver or doors as possible. Stand if necessary.
    7. NEVER keep all your money in one place on you. If pickpocketed (sadly the chances of this will increase up to Xmas) at least they won't get everything.
    8. Got an umbrella? Use it not only to defend but use it to push the attacker away backwards. The bigger the distance between them and you, the less the chance a knife can reach you.
    9. Use windows. If you think you are followed cross the road if possible. Look in a window (as if window shopping) and use the reflection of the window to see behind you, forwards and backwards on both sides. REMEMBER: a good stalker will not be behind you. More than likely that person will be across the road trailing behind.
    10. If confronted - only then step up/into a doorway. Even in such a small enclosure, the angles that you can be attacked from are lessened. They cannot come at you from behind and to the sides there is less of an angle. Remember those keys in your hands?
    11. Always keep emergency taxi money on you. I don't care if you are down to your last packet of cigs - save your money = save your life!
    12. If you are leaving somewhere - if possible, tell someone at your destination that your on the way and your approx time of arrival to home/destination.
    13. Use street lights! As you pass a street lamp, glance at the ground. If someone is behind you or coming up fast behind you, their shadow will be close to yours on the ground. DON'T STOP. Step outwards/cross road, stay calm (not easy), have ready object in your hands or go to door/taxi, etc...
    14. Day or night if you think you are followed, step into a nearest shop/garage. If you don't want to explain your situation, at least use the windows from inside to observe out. Also go to a spot in the shop that allows you to see the doorway from inside but not allows you to be seen from outside the property window. After a while a "follower" will wonder where you have gotten to. He/she will enter the shop to locate you. From your inside advantage point, you can then spot a possible (unfortunately) frequent face!
    15. If your walking home at night, vary your route once in a while if possible. That way, its harder for your attacker to make their move.
    16. Never go anywhere without knowing first where the exits are. It will save your life!
    17. Goes without saying but must be repeated. Walking home? Wear something cheap and bright. This is not only for cars to spot you but for others to do so (its better to be seen by 15 people and 1 stalker in any one minute than not seen by 15 people and only seen by 1 stalker!) . If you feel your followed suddenly, take a second to go somewhere out of sight, dump/fold up/etc the bright clothing and use darker clothing to melt into the background. Wearing a cap, dump it (into a bag/pocket/etc) or visa-versa changing your look.

    There is more but that's the ones that springs to mind at the mo!

    save your money = save your life!

    who ever wrote this bollix is a drama-queen


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    who ever wrote this bollix is a drama-queen

    Really! I've worked in Close Personal Protection but you go ahead and take your chances.
    or, you can just act absolutly ****ing crazy and start running around in circles praising the devil and repeatadly saying *no mommy, dont hurt me* ,sit down , start drooling, grab your knees and rock back and forth while focusing and the ground....

    nobody will touch you if they think you're fücking loopers

    As mad as that sounds, theres sense in that.

    One friend I knew was being followed by an ex whom had a fierce temper and wanted to harm her.
    What did she do? She went to the nearest car as he was about to attacker her and kicked it.
    The car alarm that went off sent him running. BLOODY CLEVER THINKING!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,589 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    or, you can just act absolutly ****ing crazy and start running around in circles praising the devil and repeatadly saying *no mommy, dont hurt me* ,sit down , start drooling, grab your knees and rock back and forth while focusing and the ground....

    nobody will touch you if they think you're fücking loopers

    Maybe back in the day the whole on the ground rocking thing would make them leave. These days they'll just boot you in the head!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Raiser


    nkay1985 wrote: »
    This is the single greatest invention in the history of the universe.

    Wiki page raises concerns re. the possibility of its malicious use during consensual sex :eek:

    - Other than that - yeah, I can't see why all its opponents are championing the rights of fcuking rapists [FFS]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Clank


    I stay away from 'the mean streets' and I'm not as paranoid as you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Silenceisbliss


    Biggins wrote: »
    Really! I've worked in Close Personal Protection but you go ahead and take your chances.

    ah no, i'm not contesting the logic behind it at all, it pretty much all makes sense. I'm just commenting on the fact that the whole lot of it is written with such a retarded and dramatic tone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    run away its easier

    i have been confronted when with a girlfriend and had to scrap but its never a good idea

    someone's gonna get hurt and this could end you up in court

    be aware of you surroundingfs

    carry spare money to hand over and don't end up on the ground


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I bring a lolcat

    When my assailant groans and rolls his eyes because lolcats are sooo dated I run off (leaving the lolcat behind)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    ah no, i'm not contesting the logic behind it at all, it pretty much all makes sense. I'm just commenting on the fact that the whole lot of it is written with such a retarded and dramatic tone.

    If thats so, thats unfortuate.

    At the end of the day its better to be home and safe, maybe looking silly for ones actions, but at least home and safe.
    The above are only for extreme situations but its better to be wiser before and than after, maybe paying a costly price for not knowing before so.

    Biggest thing now at the mo, will be the stealing going on up to Christmas, any major town between now and then will be open season for bar snatchers and pickpockets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    When I first started going out with my girlfriend I used to walk between our houses a lot, usually after midnight.

    I always kept a house key between my middle and ring fingers with my hands in my pockets. Also always made sure that my phone was unlocked and someone nearby was on a single-key speeddial in case something did happen. And I always made sure there was an open space for me to run! Because I reckoned my legs (fuelled by adrenalin) would carry me a lot faster than some lad looking for a few Euro or something!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭Wurly


    If i'm about to get attacked? Simple! I just take the paper bag off my head. That freaks 'em out. They don't like that.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Walking the Dangerous Streets, the Captain Kirk way.

    (Boston Legal clip)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7ElnDCorSo
    Biggins wrote: »
    1. Keep a key, a pen, even a handle of a brush etc in your hand. Keep your hand and the object in your pocket. Go for areas that will not cause serious harm. Once the attacker is in pain, it usually enough distraction for one to run.

    What's the point in that? If someone's attacking you, where's the problem in causing serious harm? They should have left you alone in the first place, and are more likely to remember the experience.

    NTM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    nkay1985 wrote: »
    When I first started going out with my girlfriend I used to walk between our houses a lot, usually after midnight.

    I always kept a house key between my middle and ring fingers with my hands in my pockets. Also always made sure that my phone was unlocked and someone nearby was on a single-key speeddial in case something did happen. And I always made sure there was an open space for me to run! Because I reckoned my legs (fuelled by adrenalin) would carry me a lot faster than some lad looking for a few Euro or something!!!
    And i always made sure i had a few jokes so while may attacker was laughing i could make my get awat, and i always made sure my mind was set to 'inflict pain' and not 'provide hug' and i always made sure to say a prayer to the suns of east and west so they may protect me in my time of need.

    Are you serious??? LOL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Are you serious??? I love you so much

    Yes I am serious.

    And it's kind of flattering but I just don't like you in that way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    nkay1985 wrote: »
    Suit up bigboy!
    Lets do this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,950 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    *dons gimpsuit*
    Where do you want me?

    Brendan, I told you, not in front of the kids... :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Yo Mamma


    Attack First !!!!

    Questions Later.......

    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Doc wrote: »
    I have pushed my keys through the gaps between my fingers when I clench my fist before like a spiky knuckle buster.

    I assume you have never hit anyone with it though, when you do the keys will splay and mince the flesh of your fingers. Bad ass!

    Use on key, between the two fingers of the left hand. Most people are right handed and will expect attacks from this side.
    What's the point in that? If someone's attacking you, where's the problem in causing serious harm? They should have left you alone in the first place, and are more likely to remember the experience.

    NTM

    Because under the law assault is section, by order of severity, and you can reply in kind, but not with more force.

    Weird, i know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,773 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    How do you retalliate in equal severity to the Pedo Bear?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    How do you retalliate in equal severity to the Pedo Bear?

    By raping Pedo Bear Cub!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Dragan wrote: »
    Because under the law assault is section, by order of severity, and you can reply in kind, but not with more force.

    Weird, i know.

    Not strictly true AFAIK. You don't have to experience force to reply in kind - you just have to feel under threat of force to use it. No point waiting til you're stabbed to stab the guy back....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Not strictly true AFAIK. You don't have to experience force to reply in kind - you just have to feel under threat of force to use it. No point waiting til you're stabbed to stab the guy back....

    Here is the question though, if your carrying a weapon ( carrying ANYTHING that may be seen as a weapon is a really stupid idea folks ) and he is carrying a weapon, and you stab him first then how do you prove that your life was under threat?

    I mean, you had a blade as well.

    Depending on witnesses etc they could very well spin the same argument.


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