Gardai are to be issued with pepper spray.

azezil · 23-10-2008 01:10PM

<panicked citizen> look out, he's got a gun!!
<guardí> don't worry! I've got my pepper spray.

:rolleyes:

Dyr · 23-10-2008 01:33PM

Homer wrote: »

In fairness I'd have sprayed "shelwanda" too. Did you count how many times he asked her to put her hands behind her back and she resisted arrest?
Should he just have patiently waited till SHE was ready to comply with his directions?

I'd have run over her in my pepper spray car, thats one annyoing g**bag right there

seamus · 23-10-2008 01:35PM

Tigger wrote: »

come to mayo dude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6N5Fk6xaKo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h12RZtxqbo&feature=related

Totally deserved it.

drunkmonkey · 23-10-2008 01:39PM

SheroN wrote: »

That wasn't an abuse of power. It was a cop with patience up holding the law. He asked the girl about 60 times to put her arm behind her back and then she bit him, so he pepper sprayed her.

Come on Guys she was a 15 year old girl in a state of panic, it was OTT

If that was my daughter that guy wouldn't be walking right now....

seamus · 23-10-2008 01:44PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Come on Guys she was a 15 year old girl in a state of panic, it was OTT

If that was my daughter that guy wouldn't be walking right now....

Not in the slightest. She was resisting arrest. Continually. State of panic or not, she then assaulted him. So he disabled her.

Fair dues to the cop for having the guts to use force on a minor. If some of our under 16's got a few sprays in the eyes, there'd be less scumbags wandering around.

Dyr · 23-10-2008 01:46PM

She panicked when she was biting him? Bite the cop get the spray, that's the rule.

Homer · 23-10-2008 01:50PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Come on Guys she was a 15 year old girl in a state of panic, it was OTT

If that was my daughter that guy wouldn't be walking right now....

YOU my friend are whats wrong with society!

drunkmonkey · 23-10-2008 01:51PM

seamus wrote: »

Not in the slightest. She was resisting arrest. Continually. State of panic or not, she then assaulted him. So he disabled her.

Fair dues to the cop for having the guts to use force on a minor. If some of our under 16's got a few sprays in the eyes, there'd be less scumbags wandering around.

Agree ( a few sprays in the eyes, there'd be less scumbags wandering around ) and disagree with you, that video looked like the start of a horror movie, that girl will never be right after that....it's not the way to deal with minors especially girls....

As for a 15year old small skinny girl assulting an armed police officer twice here age and size, I don't think that's possible....It should have been dealt with by a female officer.....I really thought he was going to seriously assult her....

Tigger · 23-10-2008 01:52PM

seamus wrote: »

Totally deserved it.

are you being facetious
did you watch the first vid?
how do you reach that conclusion

seamus · 23-10-2008 01:55PM

that video looked like the start of a horror movie, that girl will never be right after that....it's not the way to deal with minors especially girls....

I don't have sound, but I'm assuming that it was the usual screaming and shouting that US cops seem to love doing. The idea is to shock and terrify the suspect into submission. She's 15, not 5. I'm sure she'll cope.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

As for a 15year old small skinny girl assulting an armed police officer twice here age and size, I don't think that's possible....It should have been dealt with by a female officer.....I really thought he was going to seriously assult her....

There's your problem right there; The idea that we should be sexist in our arrest policies. If there's an arrest to be made, the officer on the scene does it. He's not a monkey, he has the ability to apply appropriate force.

Tigger wrote: »

are you being facetious
did you watch the first vid?
how do you reach that conclusion

I watched it before, ages ago. The guy was being an asshole, and fighting against the Garda. So he tries to escape and falls into a ditch. Boo hoo.

metman · 23-10-2008 02:20PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It should have been dealt with by a female officer.....I really thought he was going to seriously assult her....

What difference would it have made had she been resisting arrest by a female officer? The officer used reasonable force to restrain a struggling suspect who, by her actions, was resisting arrest and failing to comply with repeated verbal instructions. Its not rocket science and I fail to see how the sex of the arresting officer makes any difference.

Tigger · 23-10-2008 02:21PM

seamus wrote: »

I watched it before, ages ago. The guy was being an asshole, and fighting against the Garda. So he tries to escape and falls into a ditch. Boo hoo.

the child was 2/3rds the size and half the weight and was hurled into a ditch

what about the batton charges on peaceful protesters

i try to see to good in people but ....

Dave! · 23-10-2008 02:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Agree ( a few sprays in the eyes, there'd be less scumbags wandering around ) and disagree with you, that video looked like the start of a horror movie, that girl will never be right after that....it's not the way to deal with minors especially girls....

As for a 15year old small skinny girl assulting an armed police officer twice here age and size, I don't think that's possible....It should have been dealt with by a female officer.....I really thought he was going to seriously assult her....

Don't be ridiculous, the cop was totally right there.

"Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Miss, I don't want to force you 'cos you're small, but you need to listen to what I'm saying: Put your hand behind your back. Put your hand behind your back. Put your other hand behind your back. Don't resist me. Put your hand behind your back. Miss, you can't resist me miss.
etc.
Miss, you're going to get hurt. I'm going to have to use force." ***

He was entirely reasonable and gave her ample opportunity to comply. If anyone continues to resist arrest, and then assaults a police officer, then they're completely justified in using force to subdue them, minor or not, females or not.

*** Sounds a bit like snyper, no???

Run_to_da_hills · 23-10-2008 02:37PM

Biggins wrote: »

About time too.

In the wake of the recent budget I would be inclined to agree with you.

Just wear a pair of speedo swimming goggles at your next student demo

drunkmonkey · 23-10-2008 02:44PM

Dave! wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, the cop was totally right there.

I disagree the pepper spary was not required!

Seriously if that happend to a 15yr old girl from D4 you can just imagine the backlash....

I agree some times it can be called for, but sometimes it will be used to cause Trauma and nothing more...

If that cop couldn't refrain that girl without pepper spray well then he shouldn't be a cop.

Dinter · 23-10-2008 02:45PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Just wear a pair of speedo swimming goggles at your next student demo

You know the way when you chew a pepper in your mouth it makes your eyes water?

metamorphic · 23-10-2008 02:47PM

I'd have no problem with the guards re-introducing minimum height and even way back, minimum chest sizes (for the men too

). But seriously, some of the children in uniform is laughable.

If the guards need people for admin staffing and other technical areas of running a law enforcement force, they should hire them for that purpose. This running everyone through templemore only for them to be admin staff, or people who aren't suited to being "on the street" gards having to put in their time until they can get placed in the office is silly.

So, in summary, Spud gobbler Mick and John-Joe out on the street dishing out the justice. Tarquin and Quentin drinking a latte keeping the office in good running order. Or what do people feel would be a good structure for the guards?

Biggins · 23-10-2008 02:49PM

Given that the Gardi now face handguns, semi-automatics, a wide verity of knives, physical assaults from drug filled wackos whom also think nothing about spiting (transfer of AIDS/etc), I think the least we can do is give them something in the form of a pepperspray.

Guess what, if your not attacking a person that is there to normally protect you, you won't get sprayed!

lostexpectation · 23-10-2008 08:08PM

eru respond to people with guns, give em pepperspray sure but not the ordinary police or politcal 'start a riot cos thats the only way the can control a situation riot' police

Run_to_da_hills · 23-10-2008 08:25PM

Karoma wrote: »

Garda hierarchy & internal investigations and the Garda Ombudsman tend to ruin Garda fun with new toys.

This fits in how?

I think a gang of drunken yobs would behave themselves quite well if confronted with cops handling this stuff.

Dinter wrote: »

Ok you say it's been introduced to deal with "increasing attacks on unarmed members of the force". Then you go on to say that it has to "very closely monitored".

Why?

It has to be "very closely monitored" for several reasons.

It should be respected and threated as if it is a lethal weapon.

Each can must assigned with a serial number and handed out personally to the officer. That number is on record so if the can goes missing, becomes discharged or the seal is broken for any reason it must be reported immediately. This way there is a less chance of cans going "astray" and falling into the wrong hands.

Those carrying it must also receive proper training on its use and also how to treat people who have been sprayed by the stuff and it should only be used in self defense.

Pepper spray can be fatal if sprayed directly at those suffering from asthma.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2000/07/19/pepperspray000729.html

Keith186 · 23-10-2008 09:06PM

It's about time they got them. If I was a garda I know (would never be) I'd want pepper spray anyway.

There does need to be some controls in place like RTDH states to stop Garda 'losing' their sprays etc.

Pity some of the Shell to Sea protestors didn't have pepper spray to defend themselves from the dickheads attacking them...

redout · 23-10-2008 09:49PM

Pepper Spray is not enough on the streets of Dublin. The crap the Gardai have to deal with now from little scumbags warrants something with a bigger deterrent ie: Taser's, Guns that fire beanbag rounds etc.

Poccington · 23-10-2008 10:32PM

Pepper spray but is still not enough.

The level of equipment that gangs in Ireland have is a very, very serious threat. The level of danger that Gardai face just for being Gardai is quite high at the moment and there's not enough being done to combat it.

IMO, it'll take a Gardai being seriously injured or killed before people start to realise just how under equipped the Gardai are to do their job.

drunkmonkey · 24-10-2008 01:24AM

If you give the Garda pepper spray and tasers the criminals will just use something stronger....like bullets...

Violence breeds Violence....America is testament to that....

more feet on the street or a complete overhaul of our drug policys is the only answer..

If you know a Garda is packing a weapon to take you down your only defence is a bigger weapon...

This is a mistake and a step in the wrong derection, Let the communities responsible for little scumbags deal with little scumbags, pepper spay will not stop the rot....

24-10-2008 01:28AM

Just finished a salad. It could of used a little pepper. Wonder if Newport PD uses pepper spray? Next time I'll call 911.

CyrildoSquirrel · 24-10-2008 01:29AM

I'd prefer that to getting "tased".

drunkmonkey · 24-10-2008 01:36AM

i'd be more of a bean bag man myself...

Heckler · 24-10-2008 02:24AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If you give the Garda pepper spray and tasers the criminals will just use something stronger....like bullets...

Violence breeds Violence....America is testament to that....

more feet on the street or a complete overhaul of our drug policys is the only answer..

If you know a Garda is packing a weapon to take you down your only defence is a bigger weapon...

This is a mistake and a step in the wrong derection, Let the communities responsible for little scumbags deal with little scumbags, pepper spay will not stop the rot....

What planet are you living on ? I heard that dozy prick Richard boyd Barrett, christ even his name annoys me, complain saying that he hoped the Guards wouldn't pepperspray the elderly if they became too rowdy ! For the love of ****.

The criminals have weapons at the ready as it is. I'm talking about the drugged up burgular, car-thief, mugger, two on one attackers outside a chippie that the guards have to deal with. These guys don't have guns or knives but they have the potential to be very dangerous so yes give the guards pepper-spray at the very least.

Christ almighty, Millions of europeans have an armed (firearmed not just pepper-spray) police force and you never hear any big fuss about it. Its just the way it is. I know for me the first time I was abroad ( Germany ) and saw a group of armed Police I felt a lot safer. In Paris after 9/11 i saw paramilitary styled police and army with machineguns in places like the Eiffel tower and the Louvre and I felt 100% safer. Say what you want, a gun commands respect and if it commands fear in some quarters (the criminal end) so be it.

Sick of ****ing liberal, PC "oh my civil rights" assholes.

brendansmith · 24-10-2008 02:29AM

I always like a bit of pepper on my pork:D:o

Holsten · 24-10-2008 02:36AM

Give them guns.

Should have been done years ago.

Gardai are to be issued with pepper spray.

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