Time to Legalise GHB?

Nichololas · 21-10-2008 02:58PM

Feelgood wrote: »

Banging the missus can also give said "high" and energise you.

OR make you fall asleep.

seamus · 21-10-2008 03:06PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

Overdose on GHB, and you'll pass out, and not wake up for 4 hours, with no damage done. I don't think people would want that embarrasment.they'd learn pretty fast.

people don't take 10 party pills, so i don't think the same would happen with any other legal pills.

And people don't drink a bottle of vodka in 30 minutes either. :rolleyes:

Seeing as we're comparing with alcohol, it's not simply a matter of "pass out for four hours, no harm done". It depends on the dosage taken. It also depends on what happens in those four hours. You might choke on your own vomit, for example.

The primary difference is this pill form. As I mentioned, there's only so much you can drink in any given timeframe. You can get yourself to the point of passing out, but it's difficult to drink far in excess of that - because you're unconscious.

A person with pills, you can take an overdose four times over, all in one go. In that case, you have no chance. You'll pass out, but your body will continue to process the remaining pills.

I can guarantee you that if someone came out with a pill or another method of taking alcohol which was tasteless, odourless and with very little weight, it would be crushed by the courts.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 04:01PM

I down a nagin before i go out. This is the perfect dose for me. If i wanted to, i could down a bottle of vodka, but i don't because i have some common sense. The reason people don't down bottles of vodka is the same reason people won't take enough pills to far exceed the safe dose.

i believe that pills are safer as you choose your dose before you take it (i.e when still sober), if you're locked off your face your judgement could be affected and you could knock back the pints, even though you've gone way past the point of responsible drinking.

oeb wrote: »

I think his point is that beer can also make you pass out for four hours. Does that stop you drinking it? Or does it just mean you don't act the ass on it and drink yourself into a stupor?

It seems funny how many people are complaining about the bad effects in that wiki article, when nearly every single one of them is also attributed to alchohol.

+1.

Quazzie · 21-10-2008 04:23PM

seamus wrote: »

I'm also not sure what effect hangover-induced unproductivity costs the economy. An ESRI (?) study released in 2005 (?) showed that 40% of sick days were taken on Mondays and Fridays.

Isn't Monday and Friday 40% of the working week?

seamus · 21-10-2008 04:26PM

/waits for penny to drop...

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 04:48PM

People may not miss work much because of hangovers, but their productivity at work is definately decreased, do you not agree?

Quazzie · 21-10-2008 04:56PM

seamus wrote: »

/waits for penny to drop...

I must needs me GHB because I just glazed over the rest of your argument. I didn't realise you were making the same point as me. Oops. I think I may go post about this in the "I'm a dope moments" thread.

Terry · 21-10-2008 05:13PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

<Rabble>
people don't take 10 party pills, so i don't think the same would happen with any other legal pills.
<Rabble>

Fair play for making me laugh.

I think you need to stop believing everything you read on the internet and stop listening to your stoned friends.
Go out in any town in the country on any weekend and ask the guy lying on the kerb how many pills he has taken.
When they're sold for around €5 a piece (less in bulk), people tend to take as many as they have.

Quick google: http://www.drug-rehabs.org/articles.php?aid=267
For every pro arguement there's an anti to be found.

Feelgood · 21-10-2008 05:17PM

seamus wrote: »

Seeing as we're comparing with alcohol, it's not simply a matter of "pass out for four hours, no harm done". It depends on the dosage taken. It also depends on what happens in those four hours.

Also worth noting that people don't always drink to pass out and most people try to avoid that stage. People have a drink to have a laugh, unwind and be merry. Not to pass out for 4 hours.

As with any other illegal substance, you can also get a dependency on GHB and as with any other dependency people tend to get violent without their fix.

meditraitor · 21-10-2008 05:26PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

Every year, thousands of people suffer the consequences of alcohol abuse. The medical, social and economic implications of alcohol use are unimaginable.

there's no way out, right? Wrong!

here's my solution; Legalise GHB!

What is GHB?

GHB is a drug that affects the GABA system in your brain (just like alcohol).

It is found naturally in every cell in the body and is completely non-toxic ,unlike alcohol which is quite toxic to the brain,liver and other parts of the body (obviously you can still overdose, just like any other drug, but provided you survive, no damage will be done).

When taken it is metabolised right the way down to CO2 and water (unlike alcohol which is metabolised into vinegar)!

Not only will you not get a hangover from GHB (due to it's lack of toxicity) but it actually has an anti-hangover. Bear with me on this..... GHB causes the brain to store up a very small amount of dopamine, when you come down this dopamine gets naturally relased making you feel energetic and motivated (it's just a small natural feeling,barely noticeable, nothing like being high off speed or coke).

So instead of staying in bed feeling sick the next morning, you get up feeling refreshed, energised and ready to face the world !

But wait, there's more!

When taken GHB also causes the release of a small amount of Oxytocin (the brain's natural social bonding chemical), it's nowhere near enough to give you the loved up euphoria of mdma, but it will help you be more sociable and remove any violent tendencies you may have.

GHB has been around since the 60's and numerous tests have been conducted, each time proving that it is comletely non-toxic. In Italy they give it alcoholics for the obvious health benifits of them stopping alcohol use.

So in summary what would legalising GHB achieve?

Health expenditure dropping as alcohol related illnesses decrease vastly.
Millions saved in the economy (hugely reduced hangover-induced unproductivity)
Late night violence dropping (huge reducion in violent drunkeness - although silly drunken shenanigans will still exist).

but most importantly, more fun nights out with a hangover free morning after !

what ya think?

Sounds like great drug, and if it does what it says on the tin I'd love it BUT as someone pointed out it has some very nasty side effects when mixed with another damaging more common freely available drug namely alcohol.

I dont have faith in the majority of users (alcohol, recreational drugs) being responsible.

Most drugs can be safe if taken in moderation but we as a nation have not proven that we we can be responsible when it comes to stimulus providing chemicals.
my 2c

humanji · 21-10-2008 06:31PM

Why the hell are people comparing alcohol to a hair straightener?

Alter-Ego · 21-10-2008 07:17PM

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Wikipedia?

Research sounds better.:pac:

Terry · 21-10-2008 07:21PM

humanji wrote: »

Why the hell are people comparing alcohol to a hair straightener?

Stoners, dude. They'll take anything during a drought.

Crap. Did I mention the drought? Sorry.

Also, buttsexx.

Spunge · 21-10-2008 07:24PM

I think GBL which is similar to GHB is legal. Never tried either though.

Clare_Guy · 21-10-2008 07:33PM

meditraitor wrote: »

Sounds like great drug, and if it does what it says on the tin I'd love it BUT as someone pointed out it has some very nasty side effects when mixed with another damaging more common freely available drug namely alcohol

you are absolutely right. ban alcohol, legalise everything else.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 08:50PM

meditraitor wrote: »

Sounds like great drug, and if it does what it says on the tin I'd love it BUT as someone pointed out it has some very nasty side effects when mixed with another damaging more common freely available drug namely alcohol.

If people were properly educated about GHB, and understood it is the same as alcohol, then they wouldn't get pissed out of their brains and then effectively down six more pints in GHB form, which is how those negative side effects happen. It's lack of education that's causing the problems, not GHB.

The thing with illegal pills is you don't know how much is in them, and sometimes mulitiple pills must be taken for an experienced user to feel the effects.

If they were legal and everyone knew exactly what dose they needed this wouldn't happen.

people don't take 10 party pills and people don't down whole bottles of vodka. I don't see why they'd overdose so easily with this stuff either.

I honestly don't see why anyone would touch alcohol if they're already taking this stuff, it'd be like drinking tesco cola when you can get coca cola cheaper!

I don't see why so many people seem to have a problem with GHB, but yet advocate the legalisation af cannabis. Hypocrisy if you ask me.

What I'm saying is; there's a drug that's the same as alcohol, except safer, hangover-free and that stops people from being violent.

and you're all saying; "keep it illegal".

It's about as safe a drug as you can get.

Bearing in mind that it has to have the same effects as alcohol, I don't know what more you could want.

Terry · 21-10-2008 08:59PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

If people were properly educated about GHB, and understood it is the same as alcohol, then they wouldn't get pissed out of their brains and then effectively down six more pints in GHB form, which is how those negative side effects happen. It's lack of education that's causing the problems, not GHB.

The thing with illegal pills is you don't know how much is in them, and sometimes mulitiple pills must be taken for an experienced user to feel the effects.

If they were legal and everyone knew exactly what dose they needed this wouldn't happen.

people don't take 10 party pills and people don't down whole bottles of vodka. I don't see why they'd overdose so easily with this stuff either.

I honestly don't see why anyone would touch alcohol if they're already taking this stuff, it'd be like drinking tesco cola when you can get coca cola cheaper!

I don't see why so many people seem to have a problem with GHB, but yet advocate the legalisation af cannabis. Hypocrisy if you ask me.

What I'm saying is; there's a drug that's the same as alcohol, except safer, hangover-free and that stops people from being violent.

and you're all saying; "keep it illegal".

It's about as safe a drug as you can get.

Bearing in mind that it has to have the same effects as alcohol, I don't know what more you could want.

Where are you getting your information?
I'm on my second of twelve cans and I'm only a moderate alcoholic. People drink three or four times what I drink and I can definitely tell you that there are a lot of people who will regularly take more that 10 pills in a night.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 09:07PM

Terry wrote: »

Where are you getting your information?
I'm on my second of twelve cans and I'm only a moderate alcoholic. People drink three or four times what I drink and I can definitely tell you that there are a lot of people who will regularly take more that 10 pills in a night.

you know someone who drinks 48 cans???

and someone else that drops 10 party pills???

Trust me, if you dropped 10 party pills you'd be dead and no-one has died from them here yet, therefore no-one has ever dropped ten of them.

dodgy 2.50 "e"s are not the same as legally sold pills.

21-10-2008 09:17PM

I read the thread as "time to legalise GBH"
I was like WTF???

I'm going now....

Kurtosis · 21-10-2008 09:37PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

Make it only available in non-dissolveable pill form, which will remove the possibility of it being slipped into drinks.

it'll dissolve in your stomach, not in a glass of water.

Now I know this stuff is the new wonder drug, but it's not magic. To be scientific for a moment, this is gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, acidic conditions (i.e. in the stomach) are only going to make it less soluble. Your mystical non-dissolvable pill is slightly impossible...

people don't down whole bottles of vodka.

No, no, I think they do.

And did you give any thought who actually may like drinking alcohol for the taste, enjoyment or social aspect? It isn't all about trying to get wasted for everyone.

rovert · 21-10-2008 10:07PM

The OP is taking the piss. GHB is extremely dangerous and potent.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 21-10-2008 10:19PM

rovert wrote: »

The OP is taking the piss. GHB is extremely dangerous and potent.

No he's not,

It's dangerous if used irresponsibly and potent because the recreational dose is low.

A bit like alcohol no?

RugbyFanatic · 22-10-2008 12:24AM

vinylmesh wrote: »

you know someone who drinks 48 cans???

and someone else that drops 10 party pills???

Trust me, if you dropped 10 party pills you'd be dead and no-one has died from them here yet, therefore no-one has ever dropped ten of them.

dodgy 2.50 "e"s are not the same as legally sold pills.

My friend used to drop upwards of 10 pills regularly.

Most nights he'd go as high as 14-18 he used to quadruple drop all the time it was ridiculous and these weren't weak pills either tested on pillreports.com as having 200mg of MDMA with some speed thrown in for good measure

He got up to 29 pills one night.

With ecstasy you can drop insane amounts and be o.k lol at anyone going over 10 would die

brendansmith · 22-10-2008 12:26AM

RugbyFanatic wrote: »

My friend used to drop upwards of 10 pills regularly.

Most nights he'd go as high as 14-18 he used to quadruple drop all the time it was ridiculous and these weren't weak pills either tested on pillreports.com as having 200mg of MDMA with some speed thrown in for good measure

He got up to 29 pills one night.

With ecstasy you can drop insane amounts and be o.k lol at anyone going over 10 would die

Your post has made me feel ill.

phantom_lord · 22-10-2008 12:32AM

so where can obtain this fine substance?

dSTAR · 22-10-2008 01:09AM

I was with my girlfriend one evening having a very sophisticated glass of wine in some upmarket bar in Soho. We were in the mood for some fun so we went into a nearby sex shop and bought some GHB and went home for a night of what we thought would be lots of raunchy fun.

On return we downed the little bottle of GBH and within a short while the effects became noticeable. It started off like the effects of mandy but soon after we were absolutely trolleyed. We both felt like passing out and had to lie down. If either of us even raised our head we would feel dizzy and sick.

I later found out that GHB mixed with even the smallest amount of alcohol can cause fainting, black outs and near catatonia. Something tells me that GHB could never catch on with Irish people who like their grog far too much.

The_B_Man · 22-10-2008 01:34AM

meditraitor wrote: »

Sounds like great drug, and if it does what it says on the tin I'd love it BUT as someone pointed out it has some very nasty side effects when mixed with another damaging more common freely available drug namely alcohol.

I dont have faith in the majority of users (alcohol, recreational drugs) being responsible.

Most drugs can be safe if taken in moderation but we as a nation have not proven that we we can be responsible when it comes to stimulus providing chemicals.
my 2c

So what happens if someone takes these drugs, goes to the pub, gets thirsty, orders a 7up, then someone spikes the 7up with a drop of west coast cooler?!?! That person would be well and truly buggered! and dont say this doesnt happen! My ex spiked my carlsberg with west coast cooler before! I had to dump her for her blatent irresponsibility. some people, eh??

Fanny Cradock · 22-10-2008 01:37AM

vinylmesh wrote: »

It is found naturally in every cell in the body and is completely non-toxic ,unlike alcohol which is quite toxic to the brain,liver and other parts of the body (obviously you can still overdose, just like any other drug, but provided you survive, no damage will be done).

You manage to contradict yourself in the same sentence. It is toxic.

TBH, despite all the half-truths and unfounded promises, you still don't manage to put forward a strong case. Your posts are based on inaccurate information and your personal opinion on how others will react to legalisation of this drug aren't worth a great deal. Let's face it, GBH will never be legalised here.

Anyway, there is some handy info on GBH here:

http://www.idmu.co.uk/ghb2003.htm

anonymous_joe · 22-10-2008 02:00AM

Legalising a date rape drug?

Because the government doesn't have enough PR problems?

Mahatma coat · 22-10-2008 07:51AM

GHB, thats the one they also calle Liquid Ecstacy?

Tried that once, instant Muppet in a bottle!!

seriously Oneminute everything is all fine and dandy then the efects kicked in and I was goin round doin the whole Youremy Best friend to everyone in the club,

Fvck that for a game of cowboys, I'd much rather just stick with me homegrown

Time to Legalise GHB?

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