Time to Legalise GHB?

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 12:51pm #1

Every year, thousands of people suffer the consequences of alcohol abuse. The medical, social and economic implications of alcohol use are unimaginable.

there's no way out, right? Wrong!

here's my solution; Legalise GHB!

What is GHB?

GHB is a drug that affects the GABA system in your brain (just like alcohol).

It is found naturally in every cell in the body and is completely non-toxic ,unlike alcohol which is quite toxic to the brain,liver and other parts of the body (obviously you can still overdose, just like any other drug, but provided you survive, no damage will be done).

When taken it is metabolised right the way down to CO2 and water (unlike alcohol which is metabolised into vinegar)!

Not only will you not get a hangover from GHB (due to it's lack of toxicity) but it actually has an anti-hangover. Bear with me on this..... GHB causes the brain to store up a very small amount of dopamine, when you come down this dopamine gets naturally relased making you feel energetic and motivated (it's just a small natural feeling,barely noticeable, nothing like being high off speed or coke).

So instead of staying in bed feeling sick the next morning, you get up feeling refreshed, energised and ready to face the world

!

But wait, there's more!

When taken GHB also causes the release of a small amount of Oxytocin (the brain's natural social bonding chemical), it's nowhere near enough to give you the loved up euphoria of mdma, but it will help you be more sociable and remove any violent tendencies you may have.

GHB has been around since the 60's and numerous tests have been conducted, each time proving that it is comletely non-toxic. In Italy they give it alcoholics for the obvious health benifits of them stopping alcohol use.

So in summary what would legalising GHB achieve?

Health expenditure dropping as alcohol related illnesses decrease vastly.
Millions saved in the economy (hugely reduced hangover-induced unproductivity)
Late night violence dropping (huge reducion in violent drunkeness - although silly drunken shenanigans will still exist).

but most importantly, more fun nights out with a hangover free morning after

!

what ya think?

MooseJam · 21-10-2008 12:52pm

sounds good, why is it illegal ?

Feelgood · 21-10-2008 12:53pm

So basically GHB = No GBH?

Cookie_Monster · 21-10-2008 12:54pm

I like beer

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 12:55pm

MooseJam wrote: »

sounds good, why is it illegal ?

Classic knee jerk reaction. :eek::eek::eek: new drug on the club scene!!! :eek::eek::eek:.

ban it immediately :rolleyes:!

unfortunately, if it had have not become popular untill now, it probably wouldn't get banned.

Feelgood · 21-10-2008 12:58pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

Classic knee jerk reaction. :eek::eek::eek: new drug on the club scene!!! :eek::eek::eek:.

ban it immediately :rolleyes:!

GBH aint new?. They were talking about this back in the media around 1995 during the ecstasy / clubbing years.

At the time I think I also remember that it was deemed extremely lethal in comparison to MDMA.

Alter-Ego · 21-10-2008 1:01pm

Sounds a bit fairytale. I'm gonna do some research.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 1:02pm

Feelgood wrote: »

GBH aint new?. They were talking about this back in the media around 1995 during the ecstasy / clubbing years.

yeah exactly, back then such knee-jerk reactions were common and usually went uncontested.

I'm not saying it's new now, i'm saying that it was "new" in their eyes when they banned it (even though it had been around since the 60's).

http://www.beckleyfoundation.org/img/scale_of_harm.jpg

It was ranked #17 out of 20 drugs. cannabis #11, alcohol #5.

Turd Ferguson · 21-10-2008 1:02pm

Alter-Ego wrote: »

I'm gonna do some research.

Wikipedia?

Dragan · 21-10-2008 1:04pm

MooseJam wrote: »

sounds good, why is it illegal ?

"Common" use would be as a date rape drug.

seamus · 21-10-2008 1:04pm

It's ridiculously easy to overdose on it, primarily because it acts very quickly. Apparently when mixed with alcohol, you've no hope of staying vertical, hence the popularity as a date rape drug.

Asking why it's not legalised is the same as asking why prozac and horse tranquilisers aren't sold in supermarkets.

Wagon · 21-10-2008 1:06pm

Dragan wrote: »

"Common" use would be as a date rape drug.

I thought Rohypnol was leading the charge there. Or Pernod and Blacks.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 1:07pm

It's only easy to overdose on if you don't know what dose you are taking.

Any sedative can be used as a date rape drug. IN fact a study once found that alcohol is the biggest date rape drug of them all.

If you have GHB slipped into your drink then you're going to notice a very distict salty/soapy taste.

Imagine downing 6 pints when you're already drunk. This is what taking an unknown dose of ghb after drinking is like. Mixing alcohol with GHB is like taking a double dose, not wise!

Make it only available in non-dissolveable pill form, which will remove the possibility of it being slipped into drinks.

The Don · 21-10-2008 1:07pm

Wiki link here. Doesn't look great.

It is also used illegally either as an intoxicant or as a date rape drug.

GHB can be physically addictive and may result in psychological addiction. Physical dependence develops when GHB is taken on a regular basis (i.e., every 2-4 hours for multiple consecutive days or weeks). Withdrawal effects may include insomnia, restlessness, anxiety, tremors, sweating, loss of appetite, edginess, tachycardia, chest pain and tightness, muscle and bone aches, sensitivity to external stimuli (sound, light, touch), dysphoria, and mental dullness. These side-effects will subside after 2 - 21 days, depending on frequency of usage and the size of the doses used. In particularly severe cases, withdrawal from GHB may cause symptoms similar to acute withdrawal from alcohol or barbiturates (delirium tremens) and can cause convulsions and hallucinations.

Although there have been reported fatalities due to GHB withdrawal, reports are inconclusive and further research is needed. Unlike alcohol, there is no firm data that chronic use of GHB causes permanent damage to the body. In rats, no organ or brain damage was observed after chronic administration of GBL (a precursor to GHB).[46]

Think I'll stick to Guinness.

missingtime · 21-10-2008 1:08pm

Dragan wrote: »

"Common" use would be as a date rape drug.

Ahhh. I knew it sounded familiar.

Feelgood · 21-10-2008 1:08pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

yeah exactly, back then such knee-jerk reactions were common and usually went uncontested.

I'm not saying it's new now, i'm saying that it was "new" in their eyes when they banned it (even though it had been around since the 60's).

http://www.beckleyfoundation.org/img/scale_of_harm.jpg

It was ranked #17 out of 20 drugs. cannabis #11, alcohol #5.

Ecstasy / MDMA has been around since the 50's?. Used to treat psyzophrenia at one stage. Now its a class A drug and illegal also?.

Whats your point?.

Slow Motion · 21-10-2008 1:09pm

seamus wrote: »

It's ridiculously easy to overdose on it, primarily because it acts very quickly. Apparently when mixed with alcohol, you've no hope of staying vertical, hence the popularity as a date rape drug.

But what if we all promise not to use it for rape? (where is the innocent smiley?)

The Don · 21-10-2008 1:11pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

If you have GHB slipped into your drink then you're going to notice a very distict salty/soapy taste.

Make it only available in non-dissolveable pill form, which will remove the possibility of it being slipped into drinks.

Taken from the wiki again.

it has been described as "very easy to add to drinks" that mask the flavor. GHB has been used in cases of drug-related sexual assault, usually when the victim is vulnerable due to intoxication with a sedative, generally alcohol and as such are less likely to notice a strange taste to his or her drink. However it is difficult to establish how often GHB is used to facilitate rape as it is difficult to detect in a urine sample after a day, and many victims may not recall the rape until some time after this.
GHB, produced as a sodium salt (sodium oxybate), may provide a noticeable salty character to the drink, although individual sensitivity to the taste of salt varies. GHB can also be produced as different salts, some of which may not have a taste as distinctive as the sodium salt (e.g., magnesium oxybate), or much less commonly in the unstable free-acid form.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 1:14pm

GHB can be physically addictive and may result in psychological addiction. Physical dependence develops when GHB is taken on a regular basis (i.e., every 2-4 hours for multiple consecutive days or weeks). Withdrawal effects may include insomnia, restlessness, anxiety, tremors, sweating, loss of appetite, edginess, tachycardia, chest pain and tightness, muscle and bone aches, sensitivity to external stimuli (sound, light, touch), dysphoria, and mental dullness. These side-effects will subside after 2 - 21 days, depending on frequency of usage and the size of the doses used. In particularly severe cases, withdrawal from GHB may cause symptoms similar to acute withdrawal from alcohol or barbiturates (delirium tremens) and can cause convulsions and hallucinations.

Although there have been reported fatalities due to GHB withdrawal, reports are inconclusive and further research is needed. Unlike alcohol, there is no firm data that chronic use of GHB causes permanent damage to the body. In rats, no organ or brain damage was observed after chronic administration of GBL (a precursor to GHB).[46]

These effects are also shared by alcohol. The above passage basically says that's it's safer!

again. Any sedative can be used as a date rape drug. Alcohol is by far the biggest date-rape drug of all.

If you only allow it in non-dissolveable pill form then people will not be able to use it as a date-rape drug. simple as that, problem solved.

(don't shoot down something immediately, without thinking about the obvious solutions to any problems that might be thrown up! )

seamus · 21-10-2008 1:14pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

It's only easy to overdose on if you don't know what dose you are taking.

And you trust people to give themselves the correct dosage?

The only reason why we don't have more cases of alcohol poisoning (and we have a lot) is because there's only so much you can drink in one sitting. Most people end up throwing up the contents of their stomach before they get a chance to OD on alcohol.

In a pill form, every moron will throw ten in their mouth and say bye-bye.

Just to look at your primary reasons:

Health expenditure dropping as alcohol related illnesses decrease vastly.
Millions saved in the economy (hugely reduced hangover-induced unproductivity)
Late night violence dropping

The vast bulk of "alcohol related illness" relates to injuries sustained due to intoxication. GHB still makes you "drunk", so people will still injure themselves. Ditto for violence - drink doesn't make people violent. It lowers your inhibitions, so people who are angry/violent but under control when sober, lose control when drunk.

I'm also not sure what effect hangover-induced unproductivity costs the economy. An ESRI (?) study released in 2005 (?) showed that 40% of sick days were taken on Mondays and Fridays. In other words, drinking on or around the weekend makes no difference to the number of sick days taken. Can you say that people taking GHB will actually go to work the next day sober? Or because they don't fear a hangover, will they stay up will 5am on GHB and crawl into work exhausted?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-10-2008 1:15pm

The OP is risking confusing GHB with GABA.

GABA is commonly used as a sport suppliment to boost GH levels, aid sleep & promote recovery.

It mimicks GHB, but in a very weakened way.

I've used both GHB & GABA, GHB is a very dangerous drug to use. The user has to find his/her own tolerance limits to it and as its tasteless its commonly used as a date rape drug.

Its very easy to OD on, indeed most user's will regularly OD on it to at least some extent.

GABA is legal and is a brilliant aid to sleep, and so as such promotes growth hormone and sports recovery.

Feelgood · 21-10-2008 1:16pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

If you only allow it in non-dissolveable pill form then people will not be able to use it as a date-rape drug.

If the pill doesn't dissolve then how does it get into your bloodstream?.

Sam Vimes · 21-10-2008 1:17pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

When taken it is metabolised right the way down to CO2 and water (unlike alcohol which is metabolised into vinegar)!

is it not metabolised into ethanal, not ethanoic acid (vinegar)?

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 1:19pm

Feelgood wrote: »

If the pill doesn't dissolve then how does it get into your bloodstream?.

it'll dissolve in your stomach, not in a glass of water.

Sam Vimes wrote: »

is it not metabolised into ethanal, not ethanoic acid (vinegar)?

it is metabolised into ethanal, then the ethanal is metabolised into ethanoic acid (vinegar). Ethanoic acid is the final product of alcohol metabolism.

I am not confusing GHB with GABA. GABA is the chemical used in the brain. Your blood brain barrier stops any extra GABA from reaching your brain.

That's why people have to take drugs such as alcohol, ghb and valium (which bind to your brains GABA receptors) to get the euphoric effects of increased GABA in the brain.

Feelgood · 21-10-2008 1:21pm

Dunno dude, at the end of the day if it was good for you....

A) It wouldn't be illegal

and

Everyone would be doing it

werewolfsalami · 21-10-2008 1:22pm

first of all lol at the following username/quote combo

missingtime wrote: »

Ahhh. I knew it sounded familiar.

hahaahaa,
i mean, is there anything you need to post over anon. over on the personal issues forum

second of all,
think of the stupidest person you know using this drug.
then multiply it by dublin.
no offence, dublin is just an example of a large city.
i could have said cork.
but i didnt.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-10-2008 1:27pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

If you only allow it in non-dissolveable pill form then people will not be able to use it as a date-rape drug. simple as that, problem solved.

One problem there is that the ingredients are readily available to do your own home brew GHB.

I used to make my own ... scratch the surface and ol' Mairt is a bit of a dark horse!.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 1:31pm

seamus wrote: »

In a pill form, every moron will throw ten in their mouth and say bye-bye.

Just to look at your primary reasons:

The vast bulk of "alcohol related illness" relates to injuries sustained due to intoxication. GHB still makes you "drunk", so people will still injure themselves. Ditto for violence - drink doesn't make people violent. It lowers your inhibitions, so people who are angry/violent but under control when sober, lose control when drunk.

I'm also not sure what effect hangover-induced unproductivity costs the economy. An ESRI (?) study released in 2005 (?) showed that 40% of sick days were taken on Mondays and Fridays. In other words, drinking on or around the weekend makes no difference to the number of sick days taken. Can you say that people taking GHB will actually go to work the next day sober? Or because they don't fear a hangover, will they stay up will 5am on GHB and crawl into work exhausted?

Overdose on GHB, and you'll pass out, and not wake up for 4 hours, with no damage done. I don't think people would want that embarrasment.they'd learn pretty fast.

people don't take 10 party pills, so i don't think the same would happen with any other legal pills.

The oxytocin release from GHB stops people from being violent.

The dopamine rebound stops you from being tired when you come down off ghb, it makes you feel energetic.

Mairt wrote: »

One problem there is that the ingredients are readily available to do your own home brew GHB.

I used to make my own ... scratch the surface and ol' Mairt is a bit of a dark horse!.

yeah, but right now, they're illegal in ireland. Keep the same punishments in place for illegally making it.

If people can buy it legally in pill form, i don't think they'd be bothered cooking it up at home. Some will (just like the amount who home -brew alcohol), but the number of people making it if it was legal would definately be lower than the number of people making it now (just like with alcohol prohibition in the states).

Feelgood · 21-10-2008 1:38pm

Overdose on GHB, and you'll pass out, and not wake up for 4 hours, with no damage done.

Why would I want to take something that could possibly make me pass out for 4 hours?. Not a great night IMO

The oxytocin release from GHB stops people from being violent.

I'm not violent anyway, on drink or otherwise so whats the point?

The dopamine rebound stops you from being tired when you come down off ghb, it makes you feel energetic.

Banging the missus can also give said "high" and energise you.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 1:46pm

Feelgood wrote: »

Why would I want to take something that could possibly make me pass out for 4 hours?. Not a great night IMO

fine then don't. alcohol will make you pass out aswell, though. It's all about the dosage.

I'm not violent anyway, on drink or otherwise so whats the point?

well then it doesn't matter for you.I'm not saying alcohol should be banned, i'm saying people should be given the choice.

If someone can take something healthier, hangoverless and more fun, then i think a lot of people would take it. Sorry to generalise here, but people from backgrounds where drunken violence is acceptable would have no problem popping a pill to get drunk. If they're slightly loved up, they're not going to want to hurt people.

Banging the missus can also give said "high" and energise you.

fair enough.

oeb · 21-10-2008 1:50pm

Feelgood wrote: »

Why would I want to take something that could possibly make me pass out for 4 hours?. Not a great night IMO

I think his point is that beer can also make you pass out for four hours. Does that stop you drinking it? Or does it just mean you don't act the ass on it and drink yourself into a stupor?

It seems funny how many people are complaining about the bad effects in that wiki article, when nearly every single one of them is also attributed to alchohol.

Nichololas · 21-10-2008 1:58pm

Feelgood wrote: »

Banging the missus can also give said "high" and energise you.

OR make you fall asleep.

seamus · 21-10-2008 2:06pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

Overdose on GHB, and you'll pass out, and not wake up for 4 hours, with no damage done. I don't think people would want that embarrasment.they'd learn pretty fast.

people don't take 10 party pills, so i don't think the same would happen with any other legal pills.

And people don't drink a bottle of vodka in 30 minutes either. :rolleyes:

Seeing as we're comparing with alcohol, it's not simply a matter of "pass out for four hours, no harm done". It depends on the dosage taken. It also depends on what happens in those four hours. You might choke on your own vomit, for example.

The primary difference is this pill form. As I mentioned, there's only so much you can drink in any given timeframe. You can get yourself to the point of passing out, but it's difficult to drink far in excess of that - because you're unconscious.

A person with pills, you can take an overdose four times over, all in one go. In that case, you have no chance. You'll pass out, but your body will continue to process the remaining pills.

I can guarantee you that if someone came out with a pill or another method of taking alcohol which was tasteless, odourless and with very little weight, it would be crushed by the courts.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 3:01pm

I down a nagin before i go out. This is the perfect dose for me. If i wanted to, i could down a bottle of vodka, but i don't because i have some common sense. The reason people don't down bottles of vodka is the same reason people won't take enough pills to far exceed the safe dose.

i believe that pills are safer as you choose your dose before you take it (i.e when still sober), if you're locked off your face your judgement could be affected and you could knock back the pints, even though you've gone way past the point of responsible drinking.

oeb wrote: »

I think his point is that beer can also make you pass out for four hours. Does that stop you drinking it? Or does it just mean you don't act the ass on it and drink yourself into a stupor?

It seems funny how many people are complaining about the bad effects in that wiki article, when nearly every single one of them is also attributed to alchohol.

+1.

Quazzie · 21-10-2008 3:23pm

seamus wrote: »

I'm also not sure what effect hangover-induced unproductivity costs the economy. An ESRI (?) study released in 2005 (?) showed that 40% of sick days were taken on Mondays and Fridays.

Isn't Monday and Friday 40% of the working week?

seamus · 21-10-2008 3:26pm

/waits for penny to drop...

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 3:48pm

People may not miss work much because of hangovers, but their productivity at work is definately decreased, do you not agree?

Quazzie · 21-10-2008 3:56pm

seamus wrote: »

/waits for penny to drop...

I must needs me GHB because I just glazed over the rest of your argument. I didn't realise you were making the same point as me. Oops. I think I may go post about this in the "I'm a dope moments" thread.

Terry · 21-10-2008 4:13pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

<Rabble>
people don't take 10 party pills, so i don't think the same would happen with any other legal pills.
<Rabble>

Fair play for making me laugh.

I think you need to stop believing everything you read on the internet and stop listening to your stoned friends.
Go out in any town in the country on any weekend and ask the guy lying on the kerb how many pills he has taken.
When they're sold for around €5 a piece (less in bulk), people tend to take as many as they have.

Quick google: http://www.drug-rehabs.org/articles.php?aid=267
For every pro arguement there's an anti to be found.

Feelgood · 21-10-2008 4:17pm

seamus wrote: »

Seeing as we're comparing with alcohol, it's not simply a matter of "pass out for four hours, no harm done". It depends on the dosage taken. It also depends on what happens in those four hours.

Also worth noting that people don't always drink to pass out and most people try to avoid that stage. People have a drink to have a laugh, unwind and be merry. Not to pass out for 4 hours.

As with any other illegal substance, you can also get a dependency on GHB and as with any other dependency people tend to get violent without their fix.

meditraitor · 21-10-2008 4:26pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

Every year, thousands of people suffer the consequences of alcohol abuse. The medical, social and economic implications of alcohol use are unimaginable.

there's no way out, right? Wrong!

here's my solution; Legalise GHB!

What is GHB?

GHB is a drug that affects the GABA system in your brain (just like alcohol).

It is found naturally in every cell in the body and is completely non-toxic ,unlike alcohol which is quite toxic to the brain,liver and other parts of the body (obviously you can still overdose, just like any other drug, but provided you survive, no damage will be done).

When taken it is metabolised right the way down to CO2 and water (unlike alcohol which is metabolised into vinegar)!

Not only will you not get a hangover from GHB (due to it's lack of toxicity) but it actually has an anti-hangover. Bear with me on this..... GHB causes the brain to store up a very small amount of dopamine, when you come down this dopamine gets naturally relased making you feel energetic and motivated (it's just a small natural feeling,barely noticeable, nothing like being high off speed or coke).

So instead of staying in bed feeling sick the next morning, you get up feeling refreshed, energised and ready to face the world !

But wait, there's more!

When taken GHB also causes the release of a small amount of Oxytocin (the brain's natural social bonding chemical), it's nowhere near enough to give you the loved up euphoria of mdma, but it will help you be more sociable and remove any violent tendencies you may have.

GHB has been around since the 60's and numerous tests have been conducted, each time proving that it is comletely non-toxic. In Italy they give it alcoholics for the obvious health benifits of them stopping alcohol use.

So in summary what would legalising GHB achieve?

Health expenditure dropping as alcohol related illnesses decrease vastly.
Millions saved in the economy (hugely reduced hangover-induced unproductivity)
Late night violence dropping (huge reducion in violent drunkeness - although silly drunken shenanigans will still exist).

but most importantly, more fun nights out with a hangover free morning after !

what ya think?

Sounds like great drug, and if it does what it says on the tin I'd love it BUT as someone pointed out it has some very nasty side effects when mixed with another damaging more common freely available drug namely alcohol.

I dont have faith in the majority of users (alcohol, recreational drugs) being responsible.

Most drugs can be safe if taken in moderation but we as a nation have not proven that we we can be responsible when it comes to stimulus providing chemicals.
my 2c

humanji · 21-10-2008 5:31pm

Why the hell are people comparing alcohol to a hair straightener?

Alter-Ego · 21-10-2008 6:17pm

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Wikipedia?

Research sounds better.:pac:

Terry · 21-10-2008 6:21pm

humanji wrote: »

Why the hell are people comparing alcohol to a hair straightener?

Stoners, dude. They'll take anything during a drought.

Crap. Did I mention the drought? Sorry.

Also, buttsexx.

Spunge · 21-10-2008 6:24pm

I think GBL which is similar to GHB is legal. Never tried either though.

Clare_Guy · 21-10-2008 6:33pm

meditraitor wrote: »

Sounds like great drug, and if it does what it says on the tin I'd love it BUT as someone pointed out it has some very nasty side effects when mixed with another damaging more common freely available drug namely alcohol

you are absolutely right. ban alcohol, legalise everything else.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 7:50pm

meditraitor wrote: »

Sounds like great drug, and if it does what it says on the tin I'd love it BUT as someone pointed out it has some very nasty side effects when mixed with another damaging more common freely available drug namely alcohol.

If people were properly educated about GHB, and understood it is the same as alcohol, then they wouldn't get pissed out of their brains and then effectively down six more pints in GHB form, which is how those negative side effects happen. It's lack of education that's causing the problems, not GHB.

The thing with illegal pills is you don't know how much is in them, and sometimes mulitiple pills must be taken for an experienced user to feel the effects.

If they were legal and everyone knew exactly what dose they needed this wouldn't happen.

people don't take 10 party pills and people don't down whole bottles of vodka. I don't see why they'd overdose so easily with this stuff either.

I honestly don't see why anyone would touch alcohol if they're already taking this stuff, it'd be like drinking tesco cola when you can get coca cola cheaper!

I don't see why so many people seem to have a problem with GHB, but yet advocate the legalisation af cannabis. Hypocrisy if you ask me.

What I'm saying is; there's a drug that's the same as alcohol, except safer, hangover-free and that stops people from being violent.

and you're all saying; "keep it illegal".

It's about as safe a drug as you can get.

Bearing in mind that it has to have the same effects as alcohol, I don't know what more you could want.

Terry · 21-10-2008 7:59pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

If people were properly educated about GHB, and understood it is the same as alcohol, then they wouldn't get pissed out of their brains and then effectively down six more pints in GHB form, which is how those negative side effects happen. It's lack of education that's causing the problems, not GHB.

The thing with illegal pills is you don't know how much is in them, and sometimes mulitiple pills must be taken for an experienced user to feel the effects.

If they were legal and everyone knew exactly what dose they needed this wouldn't happen.

people don't take 10 party pills and people don't down whole bottles of vodka. I don't see why they'd overdose so easily with this stuff either.

I honestly don't see why anyone would touch alcohol if they're already taking this stuff, it'd be like drinking tesco cola when you can get coca cola cheaper!

I don't see why so many people seem to have a problem with GHB, but yet advocate the legalisation af cannabis. Hypocrisy if you ask me.

What I'm saying is; there's a drug that's the same as alcohol, except safer, hangover-free and that stops people from being violent.

and you're all saying; "keep it illegal".

It's about as safe a drug as you can get.

Bearing in mind that it has to have the same effects as alcohol, I don't know what more you could want.

Where are you getting your information?
I'm on my second of twelve cans and I'm only a moderate alcoholic. People drink three or four times what I drink and I can definitely tell you that there are a lot of people who will regularly take more that 10 pills in a night.

Prof.Badass · 21-10-2008 8:07pm

Terry wrote: »

Where are you getting your information?
I'm on my second of twelve cans and I'm only a moderate alcoholic. People drink three or four times what I drink and I can definitely tell you that there are a lot of people who will regularly take more that 10 pills in a night.

you know someone who drinks 48 cans???

and someone else that drops 10 party pills???

Trust me, if you dropped 10 party pills you'd be dead and no-one has died from them here yet, therefore no-one has ever dropped ten of them.

dodgy 2.50 "e"s are not the same as legally sold pills.

21-10-2008 8:17pm

I read the thread as "time to legalise GBH"
I was like WTF???

I'm going now....

Kurtosis · 21-10-2008 8:37pm

vinylmesh wrote: »

Make it only available in non-dissolveable pill form, which will remove the possibility of it being slipped into drinks.

it'll dissolve in your stomach, not in a glass of water.

Now I know this stuff is the new wonder drug, but it's not magic. To be scientific for a moment, this is gamma-hydroxybutyric acid, acidic conditions (i.e. in the stomach) are only going to make it less soluble. Your mystical non-dissolvable pill is slightly impossible...

people don't down whole bottles of vodka.

No, no, I think they do.

And did you give any thought who actually may like drinking alcohol for the taste, enjoyment or social aspect? It isn't all about trying to get wasted for everyone.

Time to Legalise GHB?

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