Another Historic building gets illegally knocked

Cookie_Monster · 16-10-2008 10:33AM #1

From the Indo today; http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fury-as-historic-church-gutted-without-permit-1499601.html

Gardai and Dublin city Council have both launched separate investigations into an incident that saw a 120-year-old Methodist church partially demolished yesterday without planning permission.

Gardai and Dublin City Council have begun inquiries into the incident at Jones's Road near Croke Park in north Dublin which saw the church virtually destroyed, even though workers at the site were served with an order from Dublin City Council on Tuesday night to cease demolition immediately.

Furious neighbours rang gardai early yesterday morning when they were awoken by the sound of a JCB smashing through the church wall at 6am yesterday, despite being ordered to stop work the previous evening. A worker at the scene was allegedly seen running from the site when approached by gardai.

Officials from the council's Dangerous Buildings Unit will be surveying the damage today to see whether the decommissioned church can be salvaged.

Last night Labour TD Joe Costello said the people responsible for the demolition of the Victorian-era church without planning permission should be made to reconstruct it.

He said area residents are disgusted by the brazen act which has all but ruined the local landmark regarded as "an architectural gem."

The private owners of the land do not have planning permission to demolish the building or develop the land, he said.

- Allison Bray

Guess this is likely to continue around the place in light of the recent hearing about that building demolised illegally by a developer a year or two back. Easier just to illegally knock it and pay the €1000 fine the court hands out rather than making them rebuild it. (Can't find a link to that at the moment)
Pathetic though.

EDIT: found the older one, http://www.independent.ie/national-news/developers-who-knocked-down-convent-escape-with-83641000-fine-1482633.html

mikemac · 16-10-2008 10:35AM

Is that the building with business sign for a furniture store?

Run_to_da_hills · 16-10-2008 10:40AM

They should be made restore it brick by brick.

Cookie_Monster · 16-10-2008 10:40AM

micmclo wrote: »

Is that the building with business sign for a furniture store?

Dunno, there a pic of whats left in the link

Kintarō Hattori · 16-10-2008 10:41AM

Wow that's pretty horrendous. It's just so brazen. They should, but most likely won't, be hit hard in the pocket for this and do some jail time.

Aodan83 · 16-10-2008 10:43AM

Don't understnad why they don't make the developers either rebuild it or pay a fine to the cost of the building or somethin. A thousand euro is a pathetic price to have to pay for knocking a historic bulding. Even if it was a church....

Cookie_Monster · 16-10-2008 10:45AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They should be made restore it brick by brick.

I really hope they are forced to do this. Granted getting rid of churches where ever possible is usually a good thing butt FFs do it legally and properly

Red Alert · 16-10-2008 10:46AM

Aodan83 wrote: »

Even if it was a church....

That is a disingenuous immature comment. Most churches are much more beautiful buildings than others.

boneless · 16-10-2008 10:48AM

As far as I am aware there is a precedent for restoring and rebuilding a listed building. I am referring to the old Art Decco Archers garage on Fenian Street in Dublin. The developer was made rebuild it after knocking it down in similar circumstances to the above.

I suppose though it depends on the fact that the structure was indeed listed. The article above does not make this clear.

Dyr · 16-10-2008 10:55AM

Shame that they didnt run over joe costello instead...

Cookie_Monster · 16-10-2008 10:57AM

boneless wrote: »

As far as I am aware there is a precedent for restoring and rebuilding a listed building. I am referring to the old Art Decco Archers garage on Fenian Street in Dublin. The developer was made rebuild it after knocking it down in similar circumstances to the above.

I suppose though it depends on the fact that the structure was indeed listed. The article above does not make this clear.

Evidently not, see my edit link in the first post. No direction given to rebuild that one

Dragan · 16-10-2008 11:01AM

Aodan83 wrote: »

Don't understnad why they don't make the developers either rebuild it or pay a fine to the cost of the building or somethin. A thousand euro is a pathetic price to have to pay for knocking a historic bulding. Even if it was a church....

The funny thing is if a singular person did it they would go to jail.

But a developer? Oh no, mild sting they won't even feel.

1000euro is just another ivory back scratcher to these bastards.:D

boneless · 16-10-2008 11:07AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Evidently not, see my edit link in the first post. No direction given to rebuild that one

The fEckers got around it by using the "pending" loop hole in the legislation. :mad:

I was on an advisory committee to the Heritage Council where this loophole was pointed out to them. The political will is not there to close it though.

Thanks for the link!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 16-10-2008 11:17AM

Chanrge them with vandalism. Simple

CtrlSource · 16-10-2008 11:22AM

The City Council served a cessation notice on Tuesday night. The demolition proceeded on Wednesday morning. There is no planning permission to develop the site.

The owner of the church should be chucked in jail until he signs an agreement to reinstate the church. Simple as that

Dancor · 16-10-2008 11:26AM

I for one welcome our new church destroying overlords

Run_to_da_hills · 16-10-2008 11:38AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I really hope they are forced to do this. Granted getting rid of churches where ever possible is usually a good thing butt FFs do it legally and properly

Christians don't necessarly have to gather in these buildings, the early New Testiment believers met in the upper rooms (Attics) of private houses.

If anyone can remember the old court house in Dunlaoghaire, this was demolished over night to make way for the town post office.

Nehaxak · 16-10-2008 11:41AM

I say knock it down, demolish it.
Who the hell wants to look at an old church and why should a stupid old unused building with no historic significance other than "being an old protestant church" stand in the way of development ?
Knock it down and build an adult store on top of it.

meditraitor · 16-10-2008 11:43AM

why was that building historic? Looks pretty crap to me.

Old isnt always good :cool:

Cookie_Monster · 16-10-2008 11:51AM

i think it does look fairly historic. can't go wrong with red brick buildings anyway, much better looking than greycrete blocks

Ste.phen · 16-10-2008 11:56AM

Nobody has pictures of the church on Jones' road do they?
the link in the OP is to the earlier case regarding the convent.

Cookie_Monster · 16-10-2008 12:00PM

Igy wrote: »

Nobody has pictures of the church on Jones' road do they?
the link in the OP is to the earlier case regarding the convent.

here

edited original post to add it in too

Robbo · 16-10-2008 12:16PM

And did god submit a planning objection or try to stop the demolition?

Red Alert · 16-10-2008 12:48PM

They never had planning permission in the first place- so how could anyone lodge an objection?

Robbo · 16-10-2008 01:01PM

Red Alert wrote: »

They never had planning permission in the first place- so how could anyone lodge an objection?

Omnipotence?

ejmaztec · 16-10-2008 01:21PM

They'd have gotten away with it legally:rolleyes:, by bribing someone, but the brown envelope would have had more than €1K in it. It's more cost-effective to "accidentally" bump into it with the back of a truck.

Cabaal · 16-10-2008 01:24PM

bloody disgraceful!
I don't even believe in a god but I have appreciation for nice buildings and the feckers that damaged this one should be made restore it no matter the cost

Alter-Ego · 16-10-2008 01:25PM

I live beside it. Thought there was something up when the police tape came out.:)

mumhaabu · 16-10-2008 01:36PM

Knock em down and rebuild, Old buildings like this are taking up valuable city centre space and the same sandal wearing, dole drawing liberals who complain to save it are the people who complain about living in the suburbs and the lack of housing in the city centre. Everything old should be gutted and demolished, the quality of old buildings is very poor and with dampness and everything else it is obsolete.

Knock em down and rebuild! lol at the bearded liberals! :rolleyes:

Cookie_Monster · 16-10-2008 02:12PM

mumhaabu wrote: »

Knock em down and rebuild, Old buildings like this are taking up valuable city centre space and the same sandal wearing, dole drawing liberals who complain to save it are the people who complain about living in the suburbs and the lack of housing in the city centre. Everything old should be gutted and demolished, the quality of old buildings is very poor and with dampness and everything else it is obsolete.

Knock em down and rebuild! lol at the bearded liberals! :rolleyes:

To a certain extent yes, but there are some buildings that should be kept and it (any demolition) should be done legally

Nehaxak · 16-10-2008 02:41PM

Dr Quirkeeeeeeeey's should be knocked down.

Another Historic building gets illegally knocked

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