Another Historic building gets illegally knocked

Cookie_Monster

From the Indo today; http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fury-as-historic-church-gutted-without-permit-1499601.html

Gardai and Dublin city Council have both launched separate investigations into an incident that saw a 120-year-old Methodist church partially demolished yesterday without planning permission.

Gardai and Dublin City Council have begun inquiries into the incident at Jones's Road near Croke Park in north Dublin which saw the church virtually destroyed, even though workers at the site were served with an order from Dublin City Council on Tuesday night to cease demolition immediately.

Furious neighbours rang gardai early yesterday morning when they were awoken by the sound of a JCB smashing through the church wall at 6am yesterday, despite being ordered to stop work the previous evening. A worker at the scene was allegedly seen running from the site when approached by gardai.

Officials from the council's Dangerous Buildings Unit will be surveying the damage today to see whether the decommissioned church can be salvaged.

Last night Labour TD Joe Costello said the people responsible for the demolition of the Victorian-era church without planning permission should be made to reconstruct it.

He said area residents are disgusted by the brazen act which has all but ruined the local landmark regarded as "an architectural gem."

The private owners of the land do not have planning permission to demolish the building or develop the land, he said.

- Allison Bray

Guess this is likely to continue around the place in light of the recent hearing about that building demolised illegally by a developer a year or two back. Easier just to illegally knock it and pay the €1000 fine the court hands out rather than making them rebuild it. (Can't find a link to that at the moment)
Pathetic though.

EDIT: found the older one, http://www.independent.ie/national-news/developers-who-knocked-down-convent-escape-with-83641000-fine-1482633.html

mikemac

Is that the building with business sign for a furniture store?

Run_to_da_hills

They should be made restore it brick by brick.

Cookie_Monster

micmclo wrote: »

Is that the building with business sign for a furniture store?

Dunno, there a pic of whats left in the link

Kintarō Hattori

Wow that's pretty horrendous. It's just so brazen. They should, but most likely won't, be hit hard in the pocket for this and do some jail time.

Aodan83

Don't understnad why they don't make the developers either rebuild it or pay a fine to the cost of the building or somethin. A thousand euro is a pathetic price to have to pay for knocking a historic bulding. Even if it was a church....

Cookie_Monster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They should be made restore it brick by brick.

I really hope they are forced to do this. Granted getting rid of churches where ever possible is usually a good thing butt FFs do it legally and properly

Red Alert

Aodan83 wrote: »

Even if it was a church....

That is a disingenuous immature comment. Most churches are much more beautiful buildings than others.

boneless

As far as I am aware there is a precedent for restoring and rebuilding a listed building. I am referring to the old Art Decco Archers garage on Fenian Street in Dublin. The developer was made rebuild it after knocking it down in similar circumstances to the above.

I suppose though it depends on the fact that the structure was indeed listed. The article above does not make this clear.

Dyr

Shame that they didnt run over joe costello instead...

Cookie_Monster

boneless wrote: »

As far as I am aware there is a precedent for restoring and rebuilding a listed building. I am referring to the old Art Decco Archers garage on Fenian Street in Dublin. The developer was made rebuild it after knocking it down in similar circumstances to the above.

I suppose though it depends on the fact that the structure was indeed listed. The article above does not make this clear.

Evidently not, see my edit link in the first post. No direction given to rebuild that one

Dragan

Aodan83 wrote: »

Don't understnad why they don't make the developers either rebuild it or pay a fine to the cost of the building or somethin. A thousand euro is a pathetic price to have to pay for knocking a historic bulding. Even if it was a church....

The funny thing is if a singular person did it they would go to jail.

But a developer? Oh no, mild sting they won't even feel.

1000euro is just another ivory back scratcher to these bastards.:D

boneless

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Evidently not, see my edit link in the first post. No direction given to rebuild that one

The fEckers got around it by using the "pending" loop hole in the legislation. :mad:

I was on an advisory committee to the Heritage Council where this loophole was pointed out to them. The political will is not there to close it though.

Thanks for the link!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Chanrge them with vandalism. Simple

CtrlSource

The City Council served a cessation notice on Tuesday night. The demolition proceeded on Wednesday morning. There is no planning permission to develop the site.

The owner of the church should be chucked in jail until he signs an agreement to reinstate the church. Simple as that

Dancor

I for one welcome our new church destroying overlords

Run_to_da_hills

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I really hope they are forced to do this. Granted getting rid of churches where ever possible is usually a good thing butt FFs do it legally and properly

Christians don't necessarly have to gather in these buildings, the early New Testiment believers met in the upper rooms (Attics) of private houses.

If anyone can remember the old court house in Dunlaoghaire, this was demolished over night to make way for the town post office.

Nehaxak

I say knock it down, demolish it.
Who the hell wants to look at an old church and why should a stupid old unused building with no historic significance other than "being an old protestant church" stand in the way of development ?
Knock it down and build an adult store on top of it.

meditraitor

why was that building historic? Looks pretty crap to me.

Old isnt always good :cool:

Cookie_Monster

i think it does look fairly historic. can't go wrong with red brick buildings anyway, much better looking than greycrete blocks

Ste.phen

Nobody has pictures of the church on Jones' road do they?
the link in the OP is to the earlier case regarding the convent.

Cookie_Monster

Igy wrote: »

Nobody has pictures of the church on Jones' road do they?
the link in the OP is to the earlier case regarding the convent.

here

edited original post to add it in too

Robbo

And did god submit a planning objection or try to stop the demolition?

Red Alert

They never had planning permission in the first place- so how could anyone lodge an objection?

Robbo

Red Alert wrote: »

They never had planning permission in the first place- so how could anyone lodge an objection?

Omnipotence?

ejmaztec

They'd have gotten away with it legally:rolleyes:, by bribing someone, but the brown envelope would have had more than €1K in it. It's more cost-effective to "accidentally" bump into it with the back of a truck.

Cabaal

bloody disgraceful!
I don't even believe in a god but I have appreciation for nice buildings and the feckers that damaged this one should be made restore it no matter the cost

Alter-Ego

I live beside it. Thought there was something up when the police tape came out.:)

mumhaabu

Knock em down and rebuild, Old buildings like this are taking up valuable city centre space and the same sandal wearing, dole drawing liberals who complain to save it are the people who complain about living in the suburbs and the lack of housing in the city centre. Everything old should be gutted and demolished, the quality of old buildings is very poor and with dampness and everything else it is obsolete.

Knock em down and rebuild! lol at the bearded liberals! :rolleyes:

Cookie_Monster

mumhaabu wrote: »

Knock em down and rebuild, Old buildings like this are taking up valuable city centre space and the same sandal wearing, dole drawing liberals who complain to save it are the people who complain about living in the suburbs and the lack of housing in the city centre. Everything old should be gutted and demolished, the quality of old buildings is very poor and with dampness and everything else it is obsolete.

Knock em down and rebuild! lol at the bearded liberals! :rolleyes:

To a certain extent yes, but there are some buildings that should be kept and it (any demolition) should be done legally

Nehaxak

Dr Quirkeeeeeeeey's should be knocked down.

gman2k

I was going by on the train and spotted the demolition works ongoing, it looked very dodge from a health and safety point of view, workers were under the main part of the structure, with a lot of the outside removed, looked very precarious.

bleg

don't care.

who's to say it was a nice building anyway, the kane building in ucc is a monstrosity and it's protected

jesus_thats_gre

Saw this last night when I left the match. Was sad to see. Saying that, it seemed like the exposed arches were single pieces or pre-formed concrete and not anything special.

ShooterSF

Worked in a hotel where this was internally gloated about. When bought the front of the building was protected but while the rest was removed and the front was being held up by supports it "accidentally" fell over. Nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

:rolleyes:

White_Feather

Nehaxak wrote: »

I say knock it down, demolish it.
Who the hell wants to look at an old church and why should a stupid old unused building with no historic significance other than "being an old protestant church" stand in the way of development ?
Knock it down and build an adult store on top of it.

Pathetic Attitude!

randylonghorn

mumhaabu wrote: »

Knock em down and rebuild, Old buildings like this are taking up valuable city centre space and the same sandal wearing, dole drawing liberals who complain to save it are the people who complain about living in the suburbs and the lack of housing in the city centre. Everything old should be gutted and demolished, the quality of old buildings is very poor and with dampness and everything else it is obsolete.

Knock em down and rebuild! lol at the bearded liberals! :rolleyes:

The quality of some old buildings can be poor, the quality of others can be excellent, and many have stood the test of time far better than many more modern buildings. Many buildings from the 60's and 70's have already had to be demolished and replaced because it was far more costly to try to renovate them to a proper standard than to replace them.

And btw, I don't have a beard, I don't wear sandals, I work for a living, and I live in a city centre area. :rolleyes:

Overheal

Red Alert wrote: »

That is a disingenuous immature comment. Most churches are much more beautiful buildings than others.

This is true. Theres a few in Paris I would consider prime works of art.

But if you hold this view about churches: dont visit The South:

http://davidbyrne.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/26/09_17_07_prefab_web.jpg

So whats the conclusion we're jumping to? I'm going with anti-methodism.