Overseas Development aid €891m

jesus_thats_gre · 15-10-2008 03:26PM

Heyes wrote: »

Unfortunately due to the amount of money we have borrowed off Europe it probable wouldnt go down very well.

We have borrowed vast amounts of money?

MizzLolly · 15-10-2008 03:26PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

If you work for a charity surely it should be because you want to benefit the world/humanity, not for the money though?

Granted you need a certain amount of money to attract people but even so.

I would imagine so. Again, I don't know. I'm just like you Cookie, I don't know. I would hope that they underlying reason is the desire to help. I do trust that (the one's I've stuck with) are genuinely in it for the right reasons.

seclachi · 15-10-2008 03:32PM

Des wrote: »

Thank fúcking christ for black market smokes, that's one anal raping I won't be taking off the Government cúnts this time round.

Yea well, maybe the government should tell you to feck off if you ever show up at a hospital with a smoking related illness.

On topic, I am fairly sure ireland has been giving forgien aid, even when the country was not that well off itself, should we really tell them to feck off the second we hit a bit of trouble, its not like we lost all the gains of the past 20 years just because of a recession, The majority are still working and earning the same (dont get me wrong, i really feel for the average joe builder who got fla`d this year) and the standard of living is still far in excess of many years ago.

Maybe we just lost the sense of camaraderie we felt we had with other less well off country's. Or maybe this is AH and is the joe duffy liveline of forums, filled with whining :pac:

Cookie_Monster · 15-10-2008 03:35PM

seclachi wrote: »

Maybe we just lost the sense of camaraderie we felt we had with other less well off country's. Or maybe this is AH and is the joe duffy liveline of forums, filled with whining :pac:

It cos we got lots of money and are now losing it again.

If we never got it in the first place it'd be a much nicer friendlier place.

biko · 15-10-2008 03:36PM

The way to give to Africa is by going there and spend it on stuff in person - like hotels, umbrella drinks and sun chairs.

gaz wac · 15-10-2008 03:43PM

Next time your direct debit comes out, remember this.....

Concern spent almost €13m on staffing costs alone and several of its key staff are on annual salaries in excess of €90,000. Chief Executive Tom Arnold is on a salary of just under €140,000

Are you on even a third of his salary ??

Panda · 15-10-2008 03:54PM

id like to see a breakdown of that 891 million.

seclachi · 15-10-2008 03:55PM

gaz wac wrote: »

Next time your direct debit comes out, remember this.....

Concern spent almost €13m on staffing costs alone and several of its key staff are on annual salaries in excess of €90,000. Chief Executive Tom Arnold is on a salary of just under €140,000

Are you on even a third of his salary ??

Well, charities are organisations like any other, and they need leaders with decent experiance. Now imagine if concern said "right we`ll recruit somebody to run the charity for 20k a year". What kind of person would they get. You cant just push a bale of €2 million euro out of the back of a plane over some impoversed country and ensure it gets to who needs it, just as you cant mail it to goverment of the same country, who at best would use it to add another swimming pool to the presidents mansion, and at worse use it to buy another couple of tanks to cause even more trouble. You have to spend some money on administration and on people who`ll get it where its going.

That being said theres nothing stopping a ceo of a charity being some ****ehawk who is worthless, but if hes any good whats stopping him from going to work for another company for the same money, why should he take a big cut just because hes helping a charity, would you ?

senordingdong · 15-10-2008 03:58PM

Does that 981m include the welfare money being collected by non-residents of Ireland?
Surely that counts as overseas aid?

auerillo · 20-10-2008 06:55AM

gaz wac wrote: »

Next time your direct debit comes out, remember this.....

Concern spent almost €13m on staffing costs alone and several of its key staff are on annual salaries in excess of €90,000. Chief Executive Tom Arnold is on a salary of just under €140,000

Are you on even a third of his salary ??

I have some experience of AID to Africa. We ( ie the West) have been giving aid to Africa for over 100 years, and the problems in Africa have not been solved. It's telling that the AID agencies don't even employ Africans to dole out AID on the ground, which is invariably done by white westerners driving top of the range white Toyota land Cruisers, usually staying in the most expensive hotel in town. Paul Theroux even says that, in his experience, these are some of the least charitable people who never even give strangers a lift as they zoom from town to town in air conditioned luxury.

Aid, unfortunately, creates a climate of dependency. While its great to lend a hand in emergencies, long term aid is no solution to anything, or so the experience of the last 100 years seems to indicate.

I also have some experience in Ireland of charities. The culture of company cars, expense accounts, high salaries and "fact finding all expense paid trips" etc etc mean I never give money to such organisations.

Overseas Development aid €891m

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