THE OFFICIAL AFTER HOURS RECCESION THREAD

Essentially the point I made in my previous post. Indirectly those minimum wage workers and above are subsidising his erm particular lifestyle choice.

I know if I was doing the same thing, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but I'd like to make as much a contribution to this country as possible.

So long as we get Richard Bruton in as Taoiseach

Dell are leaving Limerick pretty soon. They're outsourcing their production as per the other major computer hardware giants. That is going to more than likely destroy the local community.

As it is, down the road from me in Uni theres a major shopping centre development gone bust, 9 cranes and 4 half finished concrete tower blocks lying in a field. Across the road from that is a ~7ish story development consisting of offices and what was supposed to be a hotel. How much of it is occupied? Zero.

I'm grateful I was born 8 years too late to be to far into this mess but I have the height of pity for people born in the late 70s or early 80s who bought into this ponzai scheme of a housing market. They'll feel the pinch more than anyone else.

cson wrote: »

Dell are leaving Limerick pretty soon. They're outsourcing their production as per the other major computer hardware giants. That is going to more than likely destroy the local community.

As it is, down the road from me in Uni theres a major shopping centre development gone bust, 9 cranes and 4 half finished concrete tower blocks lying in a field. Across the road from that is a ~7ish story development consisting of offices and what was supposed to be a hotel. How much of it is occupied? Zero.

I'm grateful I was born 8 years too late to be to far into this mess but I have the height of pity for people born in the late 70s or early 80s who bought into this ponzai scheme of a housing market. They'll feel the pinch more than anyone else.

Agree with you there.
There seems to be an international company leaving the country very week.
Thankfully,like you, I'm still young enough to have not bought a house yet. But I'm worried about my job prospects after uni. Even finding summer work was hard for me this year. It's all very doom and gloom.

Darragh29 wrote: »

Sick of saying it. WHY are ya relying on low quality assembly/manufacturing jobs from the likes of HP, Dell, Intel, et al??? We are screwed as long as people like you expect Dell to knock on your door ready to take you to work!!! Those days are gone, they were a cod, nobody is going to hand delivery you a job anymore!!! Get up off your fu*king arse and make a job for yourself.

I'm not personally relying on a manufacturing or delivery job. But they have benefited people in my local area which has been good for the local economy.

As for getting up off my arse and making a job for myself, I'm in university at the moment, working to this very end.

And if I were you buddy, I'd be reluctant to make rash judgments about strangers on the internet, lest you make yourself look rather ill-informed.

Darragh29 wrote: »

I'm anything but uninformed "buddy". I'm just replying to your previous post where you referred to multinational companies leaving our shores. My point is that there is no reason why you should be relying on a low skill employer like Dell to give you a job. These employers are not our future, they are our past.

And my point is that you shouldn't make uninformed judgments about people you don't know, and tell to get off their ''****ing arse''.

The companies are our past and that's the problem. Whether for right or wrong, people have been relying on these jobs in the last ten years, and we face a crisis now that they're leaving.

Indeed I agree. However its not an ideal world we live in and like or not, a large number of people in this country rely on those jobs to pay the bills. As for being the clever Paddy, look at the failure of our education system regarding Maths and Sciences, two of the foremost subjects one could think of that are needed to set us apart.

We don't need to be clever, we need to be innovative. We need to be doing something the rest of the world isn't.

Edit: I never said Dell or any other multi national owe us anything. I don't kid myself, they're only here for one reason; to save money on tax thanks to our low Corporation tax. The cost of manufacturing wages is astronomical in this country compared to China et ál, hence they'll all be leaving fairly soon.

Darragh29 wrote: »

I worked for these saps. Not for Dell but for another US multinational. Yes employment with these companies were your past, but they are not your future. These cu*ts don't give a f*uk about you, your family, your job or your community but there are fairly good at convincing you otherwise. They will brainwash you about how they are your future and how you will be a part of their future.

All I'm saying is that these companies have played their part in our history, they will move on somewhere else and so will we. We need to work out fairly rapidly what we will do next, because these companies have worked out several years ago where they will be going next...

Yep. I agree. Which is what I meant by it being a bad thing that they are leaving because they dumping us in the shít, so to speak. So we were both saying the same thing all along.

reggiethefirst wrote: »

Quote Tommy tiernan "The world is ****ed."

Please never quote tommy tiernan on this site again on this site again, PLEASE:o

cson wrote: »

Go on so, tell me what you'd do to ensure that Ireland doesn't need Dell, Hp and all sorts of low skilled employers to come here and put potatoes on our table?

You've a lot to say about not needing multi-nationals but very little substance as to solutions in this regard.

And please can you forego the Paddy/Gombeen/Potato stereotypes in your posts. They're very demeaning to yourself and everyone else.

You know very well (you are a LACCY student after all and Donal Dineen or Tony Leddin will have told you) that less than 10% of the workforce is employed by multinationals. While it's all well and good to say Limerick would collapse without Dell, it may employ (4,000 ish actually) people, but they come from a large cachement area comprising Tipp North, Clare, Kerry and North Cork Limerick City and County. You're probably talking a combined population of 300,000+. 4,000 people aren't going to be made unemployed overnight and I'll be waiting to see what this executive director has to say about the situation when he arrives in Limerick. Maybe 500 this year, 1,000 next year and the rest in 2010, or maybe a research facility.

And if there are 4,000 people working at Dell, the state owns the plant, it's uneconomical to move the machinery, so what's stopping 500-600 of them coming together and set up IELL or whatever you want to call it and undercut everyone else out there? After all, they'd only be doing it to pay the wages and there would be no massive profit expectations. If the cost was €6m that's €10k each....not much to ask for indefinite employment now, is it?

Dell is closing the Lodz plant because they can't get staff to work there, at least that's what the reports coming back to Dell in Limerick were, and what the Dept. of EnTEmp found. While there are indicators that Dell is scaling back worldwide production in the face of better cheaper competition to their expensive tat, Raheen is their most profitable plant on the planet, so if for nothing else I imagine it'll remain as a tax base away from Austin.

BTW what are you doing in on a Saturday night!!

I still think they'll leave. It'd affect Limerick though in a big way, you can't deny that. One of the points I'm making is the Dell jobs indirectly supply jobs in other areas which will be under threat if Dell leave.

What are you doing in on a Sat nite, you've less excuse than me being close to the lodge and all that

@darragh29: I've not argued at all that those manufacturing jobs are high skilled, they're not. They're assembly line production and associated work. But they are important to the people that work in them

Darragh29 wrote: »

I'm not saying that the transition would be easy, I'm not saying that 3000 "highly skilled" jobs lost in Limerick would be easily replaced, and we'll agree to disagree for the moment about the skill status of these jobs...

Here's your answer. If I was Taoiseach, I'd turn up in Limerick and identify from this unemployed group of 3000 people, which people amongst this group had a business idea that they would like to pursue.

I'd forget about useless "taskforces" and "committes" and talking shops for the useless, I'd simply identify what people in this cohort of 3000 odd people, are capable of starting up and growing a business. I'd put an office in town with dedicated specialists who can assist in business start-ups, to give these people who put themselves forward, every support that can be given.

I'd take an office block or business centre to be an incubation centre for these businesses and I'd provide a mechanism to allow these businesses access to start-up capital. Once a business gets big enough, its out of the incubation unit and onto a growth path and the next idea comes in.

You've just described Enterprise Ireland, almost to a T.