cson wrote: » Right, just to pull you up on this. Imo some of the minimum wage jobs you could work are the most demanding jobs in the country. Try working in Supermacs/Any fast food restaurant at 2am on a weekend night and tell me thats a low skilled job. The amount of bollocks you have to put up with is off the scale thanks to this countrys fondness for one more pint.
cson wrote: » Essentially the point I made in my previous post. Indirectly those minimum wage workers and above are subsidising his erm particular lifestyle choice. I know if I was doing the same thing, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but I'd like to make as much a contribution to this country as possible.So long as we get Richard Bruton in as Taoiseach
Acacia wrote: » Lol. Well, I couldn't sleep at night either. I'm beginning to think he's trolling. Must be bored from doing nothing all day, so he decides to annoy people on the internet.:P Back to the recession, I think we'll really be screwed when the multi national companies leave our shores. We were relying too much on american companies and its come back to bite us.
cson wrote: » Dell are leaving Limerick pretty soon. They're outsourcing their production as per the other major computer hardware giants. That is going to more than likely destroy the local community.
cson wrote: » Dell are leaving Limerick pretty soon. They're outsourcing their production as per the other major computer hardware giants. That is going to more than likely destroy the local community. As it is, down the road from me in Uni theres a major shopping centre development gone bust, 9 cranes and 4 half finished concrete tower blocks lying in a field. Across the road from that is a ~7ish story development consisting of offices and what was supposed to be a hotel. How much of it is occupied? Zero. I'm grateful I was born 8 years too late to be to far into this mess but I have the height of pity for people born in the late 70s or early 80s who bought into this ponzai scheme of a housing market. They'll feel the pinch more than anyone else.
TheDude2008 wrote: » :D:D:D:D:D:D my self and my mates love being on the dole, its a cushy number i love it.
Darragh29 wrote: » Sick of saying it. WHY are ya relying on low quality assembly/manufacturing jobs from the likes of HP, Dell, Intel, et al??? We are screwed as long as people like you expect Dell to knock on your door ready to take you to work!!! Those days are gone, they were a cod, nobody is going to hand delivery you a job anymore!!! Get up off your fu*king arse and make a job for yourself.
Darragh29 wrote: » Good, one less low skill manufacturing/assembly employer that we have to worry about running to the next greener field. It shouldn't distroy the local economy, unless the local economy is unable to survive without Dell. Which is pathethic if this is the case.
Acacia wrote: » I'm not personally relying on a manufacturing or delivery job. But they have benefited people in my local area which has been good for the local economy. As for getting up off my arse and making a job for myself, I'm in university at the moment, working to this very end. And if I were you buddy, I'd be reluctant to make rash judgments about strangers on the internet, lest you make yourself look rather ill-informed.
Darragh29 wrote: » I'm anything but uninformed "buddy". I'm just replying to your previous post where you referred to multinational companies leaving our shores. My point is that there is no reason why you should be relying on a low skill employer like Dell to give you a job. These employers are not our future, they are our past.
cson wrote: » Now, an lot of people working in those "low level manufacturing jobs", as you put it, will have very little academic qualifications beyond their Leaving Cert. Trying to find a job when competing with younger more qualified graduates and well, the words "shit creek" and "missing paddle" come to mind.
Acacia wrote: » And my point is that you shouldn't make uninformed judgments about people you don't know, and tell to get off their ''****ing arse''. The companies are our past and that's the problem. Whether for right or wrong, people have been relying on these jobs in the last ten years, and we face a crisis now that they're leaving.
Darragh29 wrote: » I worked for these saps. Not for Dell but for another US multinational. Yes employment with these companies were your past, but they are not your future. These cu*ts don't give a f*uk about you, your family, your job or your community but there are fairly good at convincing you otherwise. They will brainwash you about how they are your future and how you will be a part of their future. All I'm saying is that these companies have played their part in our history, they will move on somewhere else and so will we. We need to work out fairly rapidly what we will do next, because these companies have worked out several years ago where they will be going next...
cson wrote: » Indeed I agree. However its not an ideal world we live in and like or not, a large number of people in this country rely on those jobs to pay the bills. As for being the clever Paddy, look at the failure of our education system regarding Maths and Sciences, two of the foremost subjects one could think of that are needed to set us apart. We don't need to be clever, we need to be innovative. We need to be doing something the rest of the world isn't. Edit: I never said Dell or any other multi national owe us anything. I don't kid myself, they're only here for one reason; to save money on tax thanks to our low Corporation tax. The cost of manufacturing wages is astronomical in this country compared to China et ál, hence they'll all be leaving fairly soon.
reggiethefirst wrote: » Quote Tommy tiernan "The world is ****ed." Please never quote tommy tiernan on this site again on this site again, PLEASE:o
Darragh29 wrote: » Yes we do need to be clever. We need to start collaborating as a society and throw out this notion that we are gombeens that need Dell, HP and all sorts of low skilled employers to come here and put potatoes on our table.
cson wrote: » Go on so, tell me what you'd do to ensure that Ireland doesn't need Dell, Hp and all sorts of low skilled employers to come here and put potatoes on our table? You've a lot to say about not needing multi-nationals but very little substance as to solutions in this regard. And please can you forego the Paddy/Gombeen/Potato stereotypes in your posts. They're very demeaning to yourself and everyone else.
cson wrote: » Again, you haven't answered my question. Fair enough make your point that we'd be better off without the multi-nationals but you've gotta then find a way to employ the people they leave behind. So go for it, give me your way to get all these people into high skilled jobs so that Ireland isn't dependent on Dell et cetera.
Darragh29 wrote: » I'm not saying that the transition would be easy, I'm not saying that 3000 "highly skilled" jobs lost in Limerick would be easily replaced, and we'll agree to disagree for the moment about the skill status of these jobs... Here's your answer. If I was Taoiseach, I'd turn up in Limerick and identify from this unemployed group of 3000 people, which people amongst this group had a business idea that they would like to pursue. I'd forget about useless "taskforces" and "committes" and talking shops for the useless, I'd simply identify what people in this cohort of 3000 odd people, are capable of starting up and growing a business. I'd put an office in town with dedicated specialists who can assist in business start-ups, to give these people who put themselves forward, every support that can be given. I'd take an office block or business centre to be an incubation centre for these businesses and I'd provide a mechanism to allow these businesses access to start-up capital. Once a business gets big enough, its out of the incubation unit and onto a growth path and the next idea comes in.
