Absolute bastards..

monkeyfudge · 24-09-2008 02:28PM

Cunman wrote: »

We either kill them, or they kill us. There is no middle ground.

That's right... If that swan had half the chance it would kill you and everyone you cared about!

24-09-2008 02:31PM

monkeyfudge wrote: »

That's right... If that swan had half the chance it would kill you and everyone you cared about!

TBH it'd eat them. :pac:

Dudess · 24-09-2008 02:32PM

Cunman wrote: »

there is nothing immoral about defeating an animal.

What if there's absolutely no point to it though, other than to cause suffering?

Cunman · 24-09-2008 02:35PM

Dudess wrote: »

What if there's absolutely no point to it though, other than to cause suffering?

Doing pointless things is a misuse of one's time, and should be addressed as such. However, it would not strike me as particularly likely that the kids involved could put their energies to any more productive uses.

thelordofcheese · 24-09-2008 02:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

TBH it'd eat them. :pac:

I didn't know you were polish!

Dragan · 24-09-2008 02:39PM

Dudess wrote: »

And coffee? Dragan strikes me as a coffee person.

Nah, i hate coffee. Much more of a Powerthirst kind of guy!!!

Dudess · 24-09-2008 02:41PM

Of course! Monkeyfudge: biscuits and energy drinks for this man.

taibhse · 24-09-2008 02:44PM

Jade Tasteless Spat wrote: »

Vigilante group badly needed in Dublin.

how about something along these lines but replace whale with swan

clicky click

monkeyfudge · 24-09-2008 02:46PM

Cunman wrote: »

We can perhaps challenge the way the kids in question go about spending their time. It is not productive and is indicative of a lack of character, but we are talking about some kind of working class sinkhole, so none of the people involved matter an awful lot anyway.

The thing is there are projects there for them. There's quite a good Youth Reach programme in my building here. And sure it's filled it fairly rough characters, but at least they're trying.

These other f*ckers don't want to make anything better of themselves though.

I'm a community development worker myself. I'm trying to make things better in the area for everyone and I have to put up with abuse from these little thugs on a daily basis. I seen them hurling abuse at a guy the other day who was just doing his job by picking up litter on the street for the City Council. How dare he try and keep their street tidy I guess...

taibhse · 24-09-2008 02:48PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he's supposed to do more than that.

Besides, i know you care, your signature gives that away, but most people don't care about animal rights.

It doesn't affect them. A story like this attracts attention because it's unusual, but i guarantee you that inbetween this story getting posted and my post right now, a good few animals have been killed in a manner that would upset you.
And people don't care, because in the face of all of modern lifes troubles, economic woes and what have you, the life of a cat is of no concern to them.

And i don't care how many late nights John Gormley pulls or how hard he works he can't change that.

I completely agree with you in that a hell of a lot of people don't give a **** about animals that's why it's up to someone like John Gormley to put laws in place protecting animals and raising the penalties for those who do. So far during his short time in office he hasn't done either to any great extent

JC 2K3 · 24-09-2008 02:48PM

aidan24326 wrote: »

There is good reason to be concerned. A person who can harm an animal for fun lacks empathy, not just for anmals but almost certainly for people aswell.

As opposed to those who call for castration, public floggings etc. for the culprits?

I hate these threads due to the irrational crap that's spouted on them. The justice system isn't and shouldn't be based on the rage of the public, so please would you stop with the declarations of what you'd like to do/to be done to them, it really gets tiresome after a while.

Not that I condone this behaviour in any way. I do wonder, however, whether I am as bad for the dozens of ants I burned/made fight/played with in a somewhat malicious way as a child.

thelordofcheese · 24-09-2008 02:56PM

taibhse wrote: »

So far during his short time in office he hasn't done either to any great extent

Highlighting the relivant part, you can't rush this stuff through, or we have a repeat of the fiasco with the statutory rape laws that happened a while back.

Also in what is being percieved as a time of recession in ireland, people don't want a "Protect the widdle-kittens" bill passed they want a "Save our jobs before it's the fucking 80's again" bill passed.

Animal rights aren't important to most people right now.

taibhse · 24-09-2008 03:04PM

You dont seem to be getting my point yes you can have your

thelordofcheese wrote: »

"Save our jobs before it's the fucking 80's again" bill passed.
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the two are not mutually exclusive its not either, or. Other laws can still be passed you know while still bringing in an animal rights bill.

thelordofcheese · 24-09-2008 03:31PM

taibhse wrote: »

You dont seem to be getting my point yes you can have your

the two are not mutually exclusive its not either, or. Other laws can still be passed you know while still bringing in an animal rights bill.

My point is that people care only about the stuff that directly affects them, animal welfare doesn't.
Politicians who are seen to do things that relate to issues that people care about will have longer political carrers than those who don't.

So they will ignore things that don't matter to people, like animal welfare, in favour of thise that do.

While there *might* be some kind of revision of animal welfare laws it won't be for ages, untill there is time for the non-essential stuff to be done.

And even then it won't change anything.

Cunny-Funt · 24-09-2008 03:33PM

For fvck sake

taibhse · 24-09-2008 04:01PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

My point is that people care only about the stuff that directly affects them, animal welfare doesn't.
Politicians who are seen to do things that relate to issues that people care about will have longer political carrers than those who don't.

Then how do you explain the greens getting into government in the first place. Obviously more people are aware of environmental issues, animal rights etc. nowadays than ever before hence first time greens are in government. They should probably be thinking about the issues people care about who put them in their cushy jobs.

Also technically, politicians don't have to wait for people to care about an issue to get a law passed then can just do it. Obviously it helps, but it's not necessary

Maximilian · 24-09-2008 04:09PM

Moonbaby wrote: »

It is cruel to eat animals too.

No it's not. They are animals, they don't have feelings or are otherwise sentient as humans are.

This swan incident is terrible not because some bloody swan dies but because it is disgusting to think a person might get amusement out of it or would otherwise want to.

TorresDaLegend · 24-09-2008 04:10PM

It was coolock it happened:rolleyes:

Seriously though,scum of the earth live there,its gonna happen.

Sick.

monkeyfudge · 24-09-2008 04:11PM

TorresDaLegend wrote: »

It was coolock it happened:rolleyes:

Seriously though,scum of the earth live there,its gonna happen.

Sick.

Generalise much?

Dudess · 24-09-2008 04:12PM

Now who's being naive - there is no WAY that would have happened in a middle-class area monkeyfudge. And yes, everyone from Coolock is a scumbag - including you. I'd hide my handbag if I met you, I would... :mad:

Maximilian wrote: »

No it's not. They are animals, they don't have feelings or are otherwise sentient as humans are.

Granted they're obviously nowhere near on a par with humans but they feel fear, pain, distress. And I've known of some very sad dogs unfortunately - as well as happy ones.

24-09-2008 04:14PM

TorresDaLegend wrote: »

It was coolock it happened:rolleyes:

Seriously though,scum of the earth live there,its gonna happen.

Sick.

Stupid generalisation as I know alot of sound people from Coolock that aren't the ''scum of the earth''.

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Generalise much?

Indeed

monkeyfudge · 24-09-2008 04:16PM

Actually... on the other hand... I wonder many animals were affected when a factory further up the river poured chemical waste into the stream about a year or so ago?

The whole river was bright green for a day. Didn't see any mention of that in the papers... maybe it's only the scumbags in hoodies that the media want to demonise.

JC 2K3 · 24-09-2008 04:18PM

taibhse wrote: »

Then how do you explain the greens getting into government in the first place. Obviously more people are aware of environmental issues, animal rights etc. nowadays than ever before hence first time greens are in government. They should probably be thinking about the issues people care about who put them in their cushy jobs.

Firstly, I'd say environmental issues would have been a much more important issue for people voting for the Greens than animal rights.

Secondly, I'd say simply wanting a change in Government and disliking the other options would have been an even more important reason.

thelordofcheese · 24-09-2008 04:23PM

taibhse wrote: »

Then how do you explain the greens getting into government in the first place.

We voted in an FF government dispite their track record, it's not a stretch to assume that most people don't really think before voting.

TorresDaLegend · 24-09-2008 04:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Stupid generalisation as I know alot of sound people from Coolock that aren't the ''scum of the earth''.

Indeed

I knew this would happen.
Sorry, i dont mean to tar everyone with the same brush but their are people living in Coolock who are scum of the earth and it was obviously scum that did this so theres my point.

Im sure the sound people you know didnt do this so you have nothing to worry about.

taibhse · 24-09-2008 04:26PM

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Firstly, I'd say environmental issues would have been a much more important issue for people voting for the Greens than animal rights.
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People who say they care about the environment but don't give a toss about animal rights are total hypocrites imo.

Maximilian · 24-09-2008 04:27PM

Dudess wrote: »

Now who's being naive - there is no WAY that would have happened in a middle-class area monkeyfudge. And yes, everyone from Coolock is a scumbag - including you. I'd hide my handbag if I met you, I would... :mad:

Granted they're obviously nowhere near on a par with humans but they feel fear, pain, distress. And I've known of some very sad dogs unfortunately - as well as happy ones.

Were they sad in the same way a person feels sad or just the way dog's do? I don't believe they do feel as we do and it's just an anthropomorphic belief on our part. Trouble is you can't really prove it one way or another I guess.

Don't get me wrong I love dogs. Apart from the pathetic Paris Hilton-ey ones. Those ones can fit in a microwave for a reason.

Anyway, Swan killers - bad boys. Swans - who cares ultimately, there will be other swans, get over it people. Your mourning will be short unless Jasper, the recently exploded swan was your only friend in life and you've just run out of lithium.

thelordofcheese · 24-09-2008 04:31PM

taibhse wrote: »

People who say they care about the environment but don't give a toss about animal rights are total hypocrites imo.

Or they realise the distinction between the two.

24-09-2008 04:32PM

TorresDaLegend wrote: »

I knew this would happen.
Sorry, i dont mean to tar everyone with the same brush but their are people living in Coolock who are scum of the earth and it was obviously scum that did this so theres my point.

Im sure the sound people you know didnt do this so you have nothing to worry about.

I didn't mean to come across as a cunt but just saying that some people could take it to offense but yes Coolock like alot of places has its fair share of total scumbags.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 24-09-2008 04:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's sadder because it's a swan compared to another animal....why is that!?

I know what you mean too, and can't put it into words.

But if you also consider for a moment, these swans and The Stardust Memorial Park are dedicated to the memory of those who died in The Stardust, these little fvckwits will never realise they've desecrated a place very sacred to the victim's families .

I don't know if its my age, but sometimes I despair.

I'll try take some photo's of the area tomorrow morning, MonkeyFudge if you see a big red haired guy on a bicycle taking photos of the pond tomorrow morning 'tis ol Mairt.

Absolute bastards..

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