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Doctors seek an increase of 2Euro on Cigarettes!!!
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problem?
Why is people smoking a problem?
Smoking is a problem for soceity much like drugs. It costs our health service millions, kills a lot of people and exposes people to an addiction which isn't good, thats a problem in my eyes. By reducing the availability of cigarettes, through financial and other methods you reduce their exposure to young people much like drugs. I never said this would completely cure the problem but it will have an effect on it, i was merely saying that like drugs of course some will smoke despite it been not widely available.0 -
Drinking is a problem for soceity much like drugs. It costs our health service millions, kills a lot of people and exposes people to an addiction which isn't good, thats a problem in my eyes. By reducing the availability of drink, through financial and other methods you reduce their exposure to young people much like drugs. I never said this would completely cure the problem but it will have an effect on it, i was merely saying that like drugs of course some will drink despite it been not widely available.
Do you drink I'm guessing you do like most Irish people (excuse the stereotype). You could replace "smoking" with "drinking" in your post and it makes just as much sense, if not more.
Increasing the taxes already sky high prices (which pay for the health service that is non existant) of cigarettes has not helped much in the past. Why should it now. Doctors should not have a say in how we choose to live our lives. If someone enjoys the odd cigarette or If they choose to quit for their own reasons, then let them do so but don't throw huge tax increases in their faces.
I think if they wan't people to quit they should use some of the tax money we are paying on cigarettes towards providing free nicorette because buying it is almost 3 times as expensive as smoking.0 -
Smoking is a problem for soceity much like drugs. It costs our health service millions, kills a lot of people and exposes people to an addiction which isn't good, thats a problem in my eyes. By reducing the availability of cigarettes, through financial and other methods you reduce their exposure to young people much like drugs. I never said this would completely cure the problem but it will have an effect on it, i was merely saying that like drugs of course some will smoke despite it been not widely available.
lol you dont have a clue
The doctors will push this as the goverment/ we need the money.
The smokers are paying for the health care man, without the money from fags we would be in the ****.
How many regular smokers in Ireland?
Just guessing but say 250,000 smokers and they average a ten box a day and the goverment makes €2.50 on each box.Thats 625,000 a day/ 228,125,000 a year.0 -
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Do you drink I'm guessing you do like most Irish people (excuse the stereotype). You could replace "smoking" with "drinking" in your post and it makes just as much sense, if not more.
So therefore my post makes sense but you lumped drinking in with it to lessen it, the usual thing a person does to defend smoking. Yes i drink, not heavily, but yes i do. Drinking isn't like smoking, its not in the same realms of addictivness as smoking. Alcohal abuse is a problem in this country not drink itself, you cannot and will never be able to compare the two. In France for instance their probably is the same amount of drinkers as in this country per head ,however of course drink is far different over there and I'm of course guessing here but i would hasard they have far less alcohal addiction and abuse than here. However, in terms of smoking they have the same patters of addictivness as ourselves. Our alcohal problem is a cultural thing more than anything else, smoking is down to the nature of the drug and how bloody addictive nicotine is.Tony Broke wrote: »lol you dont have a clue
The doctors will push this as the goverment/ we need the money.
The smokers are paying for the health care man, without the money from fags we would be in the ****.
How many regular smokers in Ireland?
Just guessing but say 250,000 smokers and they average a ten box a day and the goverment makes €2.50 on each box.Thats 625,000 a day/ 228,125,000 a year.
No, smokers pay for there own cancer care, which if they didn't smoke probably wouldn't have happened. I don't believe that by raising taxes(and reducing younger numbers who smoke) would leave us in the '****' at all, it would be a good thing.
It is progressive to tax smoking heavier than other goods, firstly it pays for their medical bills and the other function should be to discourage smoking.0 -
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No, smokers pay for there own cancer care, which if they didn't smoke probably wouldn't have happened. I don't believe that by raising taxes(and reducing younger numbers who smoke) would leave us in the '****' at all, it would be a good thing.
It is progressive to tax smoking heavier than other goods, firstly it pays for their medical bills and the other function should be to discourage smoking.
Figures, links, stats Not everyone who smokes get cancer. Cancer derives from lots of known and unknown reasons. Should we not allow obese people to be served in macdonalds or should we charge them more to pay for the heart disease that they will get 0 -
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Figures, links, stats Not everyone who smokes get cancer. Cancer derives from lots of known and unknown reasons. Should we not allow obese people to be served in macdonalds or should we charge them more to pay for the heart disease that they will get
http://www.dohc.ie/issues/smoking_ban/smokekey.html, pardon my bluntless but no **** sherlock that you get cancer from many things but cigarrettes are a massive cause and the fact they are addictive makes them worse than any old cheeseburger in McDs.0 -
http://www.dohc.ie/issues/smoking_ban/smokekey.html, pardon my bluntless but no **** sherlock that you get cancer from many things but cigarrettes are a massive cause and the fact they are addictive makes them worse than any old cheeseburger in McDs.
My point is that people who are obese tend to be addicted to food.
http://www.bnl.gov/thanoslab/Thanos%20PDF/JAddDisease1.pdf
http://www.safefoodonline.com/article.asp?article=451
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2007/10/28/story27666.asp
I particularly like this quote from the last article:
"Obesity seems to have accumulated more vital statistics than you’d find backstage at Milan fashion week: if you’re obese at 40 you can expect to die seven years earlier; more than one in four children is overweight and the number classified as obese is doubling every ten years; children as young as two are being diagnosed as obese; obesity already costs the health service €339 million per annum."
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it
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My point is that people who are obese tend to be addicted to food.
http://www.bnl.gov/thanoslab/Thanos%20PDF/JAddDisease1.pdf
http://www.safefoodonline.com/article.asp?article=451
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2007/10/28/story27666.asp
I particularly like this quote from the last article:
"Obesity seems to have accumulated more vital statistics than you’d find backstage at Milan fashion week: if you’re obese at 40 you can expect to die seven years earlier; more than one in four children is overweight and the number classified as obese is doubling every ten years; children as young as two are being diagnosed as obese; obesity already costs the health service €339 million per annum."
Now put that in your pipe and smoke it
Eh of course if your obese your addicted to food, in fact aren't we all really seeing as how we all need it to survive:pac:. People get addicted to all sorts- gambling, food, sex even...but that doesn't compare to smoking at all. Nicotine is known to be extremely addictive. Each smoke has it in to abundance.
Oh and btw, top work there with the irony at the bottom of your post. Truly fantastic work!0 -
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Ah come on Tallaght! You are way to smart to fall into that trap. Anonymous questionaire studies are the cheap whores of the statistical world.
I think that's a reasonable point to make.
These types of studies can give woefully inaccurate results Because A) Sometimes people don't want to admit something, when they don't know/trust the person asking the questions and
sometimes people don't remember things well.
So, questionnaire studies don't work when you're asking people about illegal/socially questionable activities, or about things that happened a long time ago. So, if we try to gauge the number of car thiefs in the population, asking "are you a car thief?" won't yield honest replies. Or asking "for how long did you breastfeed your child?" will give a lot of replies that deviate fromt he truth.
But the reason these studies work are as follows (without trying to turn this into the statistics forum) :P
1) We're not asking people to remember events in the past. It's about their current smoking habits, so we're not relying on memory and recall bias.
2) We're not measuring the number of smokers in isolation. We're measuring the change in the proportion of smokers. So, we've used questionnaire studies to ask people about their current smoking habits before the taxes. Then a few years later, after tax increases, we ask people about their current smoking habits. So, if each population under-reported their smoking habits, then the proportion of change would still be roughly the same.
Some very accurate data comes from self reporting. Watch the US elections next november. We'll know the results before they're counted, as people get asked anonymously how they voted by the TV networks.
The study that showed the link between smoking and lung cancer was a questionnaire study (Though it was a prospective cohort study, which is a bit more reliable....but "point in time analyses" don't work like that).
This kind of data just doesn't lend itself to randomised controlled trials, sadly.0 -
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