Pat Hickey suggests more funding...

cowzerp · 15-09-2008 03:00PM

Judomad wrote: »

Paul, who was that question to??
my gripe with the grants is the fact our young talent isn't sent to that many competitions, camps, etc.... i had to pay for myself to represent my country on a few occasions, went to training camps as part of the Irish Judo Team and paid for myself also, im not too sure but do the national boxing squad pay there way???

question was to anyone!
i agree that you should not have to pay to represent your country, but how many people in the same weight can do this?
in boxing its only 1.

the boxing at international level does alright grant wise but at club level its only a select few clubs who get grants.

Judomad · 15-09-2008 03:07PM

cowzerp wrote: »

question was to anyone!
i agree that you should not have to pay to represent your country, but how many people in the same weight can do this?
in boxing its only 1.

the boxing at international level does alright grant wise but at club level its only a select few clubs who get grants.

if its as part of a team 1 also

cowzerp · 15-09-2008 03:11PM

Judomad wrote: »

if its as part of a team 1 also

then the same applies, the judo association should pay for it. either out of there own money or they should apply for assistance..
if its a bunch of lads then i dont think it should be paid...

Judomad · 15-09-2008 03:16PM

cowzerp wrote: »

then the same applies, the judo association should pay for it. either out of there own money or they should apply for assistance..
if its a bunch of lads then i dont think it should be paid...

nah itd be a team most times and i still managed to have to pay twice

conor rowan · 15-09-2008 03:42PM

Judomad wrote: »

do you know how much money the irish judo association got from the government this year or last year?????? doubt it, so this is an invalid comment in my opinion!!

i fail to see your logic.

have you and/or your club applied for funding? how did you get on?
why were you refused? what is the percentage of judo atheletes as a percentage atheletes overall in ireland?

im honestly interested in the process of obtaining funding and reasons for being refused.

Nothingcompares · 15-09-2008 03:52PM

http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/High_Performance/International_Carding_Scheme/Criteria_for_Eligibility/

have a look there

Mikel · 15-09-2008 06:39PM

Clive wrote: »

The money allocated for High Performance athletes should be targeted at those who are competing and winning at the highest level, and to bring those with the potential to that level. That's what the Sport's Council do - if they had more money for High Performance sport, they could do more, but they don't.

The money for NGBs should, of course be split according to the numbers of people involved in each sport and should be focused on developing sport for all. Kids, adults, men, women, recreational trainers and dedicated athletes.

They are very different things and should be kept separate.

In theory that's true, but if an emphasis is put on one or two sports likely to medal in the games wouldn't that attitude trickle down to the lower levels of sports funding.

I'd imagine determining who has the potential is very subjective, and skewed according to which sports are perceived to be better hunting grounds for winners.

Every sport has pretty much the same strategy for success, increasing participation, making the base of the pyramid bigger.

cowzerp · 16-09-2008 12:30PM

Nothingcompares wrote: »

All you need for a boxing club is a good sized room and a pair of boxing gloves and head gear. A boxing ring is a nice investment and I'd agree that a range of heavy bags, mitts, focus mitts etc. are important.

Are you actually trying to say that a boxing club requires a significantly more capital investment then a judo club? It's looks fair similar to me.

i missed this the other day.

Boxing clubs need way more gear than judo clubs, 1 pair of boxing gloves and a headgear? are you serious? if you believe that judo clubs need as much gear as boxing clubs for them both to function then your deluded!

in japan they have a large dojo and mats, crash mat also, end of.

in a sparring session there may be 6 lads alternating at a time, thats 6 head gears, 6 sets of sparring gloves and a range of bag gloves too, a club will need anywhere from 5-8 boxing bags, without a ring im sure there is insurance issues in boxing too, either way its very very important, just like judo mats are to judo, the clubs that run out of a hall without all this are brutal, all the succesfull clubs have what i mentioned above.

boxing clubs can have anywhere from 30-50 kids in them a night too.

Nothingcompares · 16-09-2008 12:58PM

well cowzer, don't you possibly think i meant a pair of head gear and gloves per person sparring? in the same way every judoka needs a judogi????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Clive · 16-09-2008 01:29PM

Nothingcompares wrote: »

The Irish carding scheme is the grant scheme which is given to high performance athletes from a youth stage to a developmental stage to world class (Darren Sutherland, Sonia O'Sullivan in her day). Currently, the Irish carding scheme has 41 Boxers and 0 Judo/TKD/Wrestling athletes. The carding scheme is concerned with providing expertise in sports science and medicine to athletes as well as advice and counseling on career and performance. The grant also aims to cover access to training facilities (think Irish boxers going abroad for training camps).

First off, I don't for a single second begrudge any one on this list from receiving financial aid and I fully presume they all deserve it. But I think this and the capital spending evidence go a long way to dispel the myth that the poor irish boxing paupers are not receiving grants.

In fairness saying there are 41 boxers and 0 judo/TKD/wrestling athletes is a bit misleading for most people. 41 boxers qualified for the carding scheme, at various levels of support.

Judo, TKD and wrestling athletes either couldn't meet the qualifying criteria or just didn't bother to apply.

LukerC · 16-09-2008 02:38PM

I think the sports council should do a type of budget after every olympics that way they could look at what sports need more funding and which just need money for maintenance and replacment of equipment.

cowzerp · 16-09-2008 03:49PM

Nothingcompares wrote: »

well cowzer, don't you possibly think i meant a pair of head gear and gloves per person sparring? in the same way every judoka needs a judogi????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

What you said and meant is not the same thing? Every boxes does not have spar gloves, or headgear, only the seniors would.

Pat Hickey suggests more funding...

Comments