Pat Hickey suggests more funding...

arybvtcw0eolkf

Pat Hickey, President in the Olympic Council of Ireland on The Late Late Show this evening..

Just watching him on The Late Late show and basically he suggests that funding swimming and track & field teams is probably a waste of money and says the IOC/Government should look at more funding for Judo and TKD squads in the future as he see's this is where our talents and best medal hopes lie.

Speer

Why should the government be squandering money on the Olympics at all? it's a totally discredited drug fuelled jamboree.give no more TAXPayer money to this nonsense.

Pride Fighter

Speer wrote: »

Why should the government be squandering money on the Olympics at all? it's a totally discredited drug fuelled jamboree.give no more TAXPayer money to this nonsense.

Quit trolling and shut up please. No one wants to hear your bullsh1t.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Speer wrote: »

Why should the government be squandering money on the Olympics at all? it's a totally discredited drug fuelled jamboree.give no more TAXPayer money to this nonsense.

'Hello earth to Speer', lets talk Martial Arts in the Martial Arts forum. If you don't think our Judoka or TKD fighters have the necessary potential to represent us in the next olympics lets discuss.

Oh, and keep the drug talk for the Equestrian forum :pac:

Pride Fighter

Mairt wrote: »

Pat Hickey, President in the Olympic Council of Ireland on The Late Late Show this evening..

Just watching him on The Late Late show and basically he suggests that funding swimming and track & field teams is probably a waste of money and says the IOC/Government should look at more funding for Judo and TKD squads in the future as he see's this is where our talents and best medal hopes lie.

I believe that minority sports should get more funding. But to dismiss swimming and track and field is ridiculous. We have the same genetic goods as the British and Aussies and they do very well in swimming, we could too with some foresight. In athletics we have a great history in throwing and jumping events that can be revived. As this is the SD & MA forum I will say that our success in boxing can be replicated in the other combat sports but it would take 10-15 years to build up the kids to do wrestling/judo.

Speer

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Quit trolling and shut up please. No one wants to hear your bullsh1t.

No have no opinion,just rudeness and disrespect to my views.That's your problem.

Pride Fighter

Speer wrote: »

No have no opinion,just rudeness and disrespect to my views.That's your problem.

In English please. Do you speak it?

Speer

Pride Fighter wrote: »

In English please. Do you speak it?

Not only are you disrespectful but now you're being condescending.you have no opinions or thoughts to offer.Just personal attacks.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Pride Fighter wrote: »

I believe that minority sports should get more funding. But to dismiss swimming and track and field is ridiculous. We have the same genetic goods as the British and Aussies and they do very well in swimming, we could too with some foresight. In athletics we have a great history in throwing and jumping events that can be revived. As this is the SD & MA forum I will say that our success in boxing can be replicated in the other combat sports but it would take 10-15 years to build up the kids to do wrestling/judo.

Re. his comments on Swimming and Track & Field I think he was making the point that we simply don't have and won't ever have the money to fund a squad capable of winning medals.

I also agree that it would be a few games away from having any serious Judo or TKD contenters but I do think Ireland has the foundations in way of excellent clubs and instructors.

But part of the problem here in Ireland (which would be rectified by IOC funding) is that Martial Arts is largely treated as a past time hobby and not a true sport by people.

Pride Fighter

Mairt wrote: »

Re. his comments on Swimming and Track & Field I think he was making the point that we simply don't have and won't ever have the money to fund a squad capable of winning medals.

I also agree that it would be a few games away from having any serious Judo or TKD contenters but I do think Ireland has the foundations in way of excellent clubs and instructors.

But part of the problem here in Ireland (which would be rectified by IOC funding) is that Martial Arts is largely treated as a past time hobby and not a true sport by people.

I think TKD will be gone from the Olympics soon enough. But I agree with you regarding martial arts as a hobby. I'd like to see wrestling thought in some schools as a pilot project and depending on the success we can get at junior level we roll it out further.

cowzerp

the money would be better spent on judo than swimming etc,,
but they should put more into boxing as its ran as non profit by all amateur clubs and is generally a very irish sport also and always our best chance of medals, most martial arts clubs are making profit so dont deserve the funding as much imo...

hate to see the rich yuppy sports get lots of funding though! they dont need it really and its just lining peoples pockets!

Roper

Well bravo IOC. Lets send a clear message here- it's ALL about the medals, if you don't do well, we'll cut your funding. More bullsh1t. Hey kids, enjoying your athletics? Like swimming? Well, sorry, we've given up on you already so go get into a minority sport.

I've heard about as much crap from the IOC and they're multitude of cock ups this year to do me for a lifetime.

Mikel

I know boxing is flavour of the month now, but would it be any less worthwhile if they didn't win medals.
Surely the measure of any sport is the number of people who take it up and enjoy it?
What if next time boxing has less success are all of the clubs wasting their time now?

I think a large part of the problem are the bar stoolers who just want to cheer anything on once it involves an Irish person winning.
I watched a lot of the olympics, and some of the athletics for eg I found fascinating. I never once thought it was a waste of money.
Incidentally, while posting on the athletics forum I looked into the ISC funding for elite athletes.

In 2008 it was 2m. Just 2 million for 255 athletes, less than 9k each.

http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/High_Performance/International_Carding_Scheme/Recipients_this_year/

Roper

Exactly. They don't hand out money anyway so the High Performance Team in boxing is now their excuse to pretend they've been like Santa all along. Then Hickey comes along and sighs as if he's lost patience with these runners who he's been throwing money at and sure they didn't even get one medal. Let's be clear, any success an Irish athlete is in spite of what the IOC does for them not because of it.

Arse to them.

Mikel

Roper wrote: »

Exactly. They don't hand out money anyway so the High Performance Team in boxing is now their excuse to pretend they've been like Santa all along. Then Hickey comes along and sighs as if he's lost patience with these runners who he's been throwing money at and sure they didn't even get one medal. Let's be clear, any success an Irish athlete is in spite of what the IOC does for them not because of it.

Arse to them.

Get off the fence! What do you really think? LOL

spiral

Cowzerp I dont think Judo clubs are run for profit in fairnesss.

Raze_them_all

spiral wrote: »

Cowzerp I dont think Judo clubs are run for profit in fairnesss.

Did he say there set up for profit?? no he said there making a profit. Dont misquote to suit your needs.

spiral

???
I said that I didnt THINK Judo clubs were run for profit , ie that anyone is earning any money from teaching there ie that they are run on an amateur basis just like an amateur boxing club...
Set up for profit ?
If an amateur club goes into the black on any given year , is that what you mean ?

Burnt

For the purposes of full disclosure Pat is a former Judoka, and one time president of the IJA afaik.

I don't believe there is very many judo clubs run for profit and there are even less people making a living out of it. If the is to be any hope of Irish Judo succeeding on the international stage it will need a serious kick in the ass. Judo at a relevant international level is no longer for amateurs and can't be run in that fashion either.

There needs to be proper funding of ATHLETES so they can train at a suitable level in a proper environment. That means a development plans, technical support, scientific support, further education of athletes so when their career is over they have something to go back to etc...

cowzerp

just to clarify my point, i,ve coached boxing for amateur boxers for many years, through this i never made a cent! my club train 5 nights a week and the kids train all those, the subs is 2 euro a week! really-thats 40 cent for 2 hours training and at xmas we would not even get a pint for the effort.

now in a standard judo club its 5-10 euro a night and there could be 30 kids paying that, thats 150-300 subs recieved, after rent probably 270 left divided by 2 coaches is 135 for about 1 hours training.

i support judo so am not knocking it, just saying it as it is..same applies for all martial arts..some more than others..

Nothingcompares

I haven't checked the figures in a while but boxing clubs receive a relative fortune from the relative funding bodies like Lotto and Irish Sports council and local government. In other words, boxing gets more money from "the government" then all the other martial arts combined, including judo. Also judo clubs have to buy expensive mats. Not all boxing clubs even have a ring.

Pat Hickey is a good man. I like him.

With the proper funding in place I'd consider going back to judo full time

cowzerp

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I haven't checked the figures in a while but boxing clubs receive a relative fortune from the relative funding bodies like Lotto and Irish Sports council and local government. In other words, boxing gets more money from "the government" then all the other martial arts combined, including judo. Also judo clubs have to buy expensive mats. Not all boxing clubs even have a ring.

Pat Hickey is a good man. I like him.

With the proper funding in place I'd consider going back to judo full time

Boxing as an organisation might be better funded but individual clubs are not well funded, i've been tring to set up a club for years and its very expensive, boxing ring 6000 euro, thats 80 half size judo mats, my old club made money by running a raffle every week in the local, basically the locals support the club, bags are 200 each and about 8 are needed 1600 euro and need replacing yearly sometimes, also judo clubs get mats given to them every other year! the only expense most judo clubs have is insurance which is the same for all sports and arts and the hall that they run out of, and thats cheap in most cases. also most boxing clubs are in rough area's that really need the clubs to keep kids out of trouble.

again im not against judo been funded but believe sports that are truly non profit and ran by volunteers are the most deserving, then i'd base it on which sport will actually qualify with the backing, as far as i know ireland have never had a judoka in the olympics?

Burnt

Guys i think it might be a case of the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. There
is no point playing the poor mouth with each other, an increase in funding in both our sports
can only be a good thing; with the caveat of the proper reforms taking place.:cool:

Cowerp, as state above Ireland has had some Judo Olympians in the past but none recently.

Nothingcompares

cowzerp wrote: »

Boxing as an organisation might be better funded but individual clubs are not well funded, i've been tring to set up a club for years and its very expensive, boxing ring 6000 euro, thats 80 half size judo mats, my old club made money by running a raffle every week in the local, basically the locals support the club, bags are 200 each and about 8 are needed 1600 euro and need replacing yearly sometimes, also judo clubs get mats given to them every other year! the only expense most judo clubs have is insurance which is the same for all sports and arts and the hall that they run out of, and thats cheap in most cases. also most boxing clubs are in rough area's that really need the clubs to keep kids out of trouble.

again im not against judo been funded but believe sports that are truly non profit and ran by volunteers are the most deserving, then i'd base it on which sport will actually qualify with the backing, as far as i know ireland have never had a judoka in the olympics?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055376619

Miss that thread? There was a judo guy in Barcelona as well but I don't know his name.

I wonder if Boxing suffers from not having a professional attitude. I mean there are all these clubs operating out of school halls and parish centres I'm surprised there aren't better facilities. The HPC is obviously brilliant but in my opinion, boxing has the interest, the ability and the funding just wondering why no one puts more into it. Look at MMA, how many full time gyms are there with their own premises? 10?

cowzerp

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I wonder if Boxing suffers from not having a professional attitude. I mean there are all these clubs operating out of school halls and parish centres I'm surprised there aren't better facilities. The HPC is obviously brilliant but in my opinion, boxing has the interest, the ability and the funding just wondering why no one puts more into it. Look at MMA, how many full time gyms are there with their own premises? 10?

How does boxing suffer? its always been our best olympic sport..and where we get world champs at pro level, i dont see world champ judoka's, tennis players, or anything else for that matter at pro level.

Most boxing gyms are top class but where built 20-30 years ago, the training attitude is profesional, they train most days and the reason why there non profit is because there in deprived areas and train mostly kids, mma clubs train adults that are working and have money, setting up this type of boxing gym is next to impossible, if i do it will only be as part of an overall business plan, mma, sub wrestling and boxing for adults for money, and boxing for kids for the community, i dont know where you get, boxing clubs training in parish centres etc..this is a very small minority of the clubs..

boxing been cheap is great for communitys, there are adult full time boxing clubs popping up about the place and they make money, but they dont train kids and future champs either.

full time mma clubs? i'd say 2 in the south-bjj revolution and sbg.
i could be wrong! as stated above there training adults who can pay just like they would in any gym.,

Roper

cowzerp wrote: »

full time mma clubs? i'd say 2 in the south-bjj revolution and sbg.
i could be wrong! as stated above there training adults who can pay just like they would in any gym.,

OI!

Nothingcompares

cowzerp wrote: »

full time mma clubs? i'd say 2 in the south-bjj revolution and sbg.
i could be wrong! as stated above there training adults who can pay just like they would in any gym.,

Well maybe we have different definitions of full time but I was going to say

KO, BJJ R, Kokoro, PBS, SBG and Spartan and EFR/PCC and Cork BJJ operate out of their own facilities I'm sure there are more too.

cowzerp

Nothingcompares wrote: »

Well maybe we have different definitions of full time but I was going to say

KO, BJJ R, Kokoro, PBS, SBG and Spartan and EFR/PCC and Cork BJJ operate out of their own facilities I'm sure there are more too.

I guess we do have different views on full time, my club train minimum 4 official times a week and then most mornings when fights are coming, and we are certainly not full time yet! when i get premises i'll try to make it a truly full time gym,

even the full time clubs are not truly full time, when i say full time i mean open 9 in the morning till 10 that night or something like that, kokoro as far as i know run in the evenings only, not sure of all the rest, seem to open for some time in the afternoon and the at the evening!


ps, barry i dont know your opening hours! sorry if i left ya out..but your website is leading me to a porn site, thanks for that! maybe later!!

Anyway to be back on topic i think it would be good for irish sports in general if they where well backed by the government, once the sports pay back the money by getting somewhere!

Mikel

cowzerp wrote: »

Anyway to be back on topic i think it would be good for irish sports in general if they where well backed by the government, once the sports pay back the money by getting somewhere!

But that's the point though isn't it?
What is 'getting somewhere'?
What if the irish boxers got horrible draws and got knocked out early, does that mean all that boxing does at grass roots level is now worth less?
Should they get their funding cut?

I don't think olympic medals are a true measure of the worth of any sport.
if they're getting kids in the door and they're having healthy fun then they are fulfilling any requirements imo.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Forgetting boxing clubs and poor kids for a moment.

I don't think its unreasonable to play to your strenghts and fund those sports that genuinely have a chance of producing medals for us.

It just mean's waking up to the reality that we'll NEVER have enough funds to compete with those nations who are traditionally strong in 'track & field'.

I'm not just saying this because I train Judo, but if we our chances lie with future Judoka and medals then thats where the money should go & I'd say the same if it was true of the walkers, BMX'ers or anything else for that matter.

cowzerp

Mikel wrote: »

But that's the point though isn't it?
What is 'getting somewhere'?
What if the irish boxers got horrible draws and got knocked out early, does that mean all that boxing does at grass roots level is now worth less?
Should they get their funding cut?

I don't think olympic medals are a true measure of the worth of any sport.
if they're getting kids in the door and they're having healthy fun then they are fulfilling any requirements imo.

The olympics is the pinnacle of any athletes career, its the most honoured award an athlete can achieve, just qualifying for the olympics through europe in boxing is success, winning 3 medals is amazing, if judo players where to qualify that would be a great success also, everything else is a bonus, if a sport consistently cant qulaify then i would suggest putting the money somewhere that it might be used to better effect.

what is your suggestion as seen as you asked the questions?

Mikel

cowzerp wrote: »

what is your suggestion as seen as you asked the questions?

I suggest that any sport funding strategy should not be based on what people believe our best chances of winning medals are.
I suggest that sports like boxing for eg should be funded on the basis of the contribution they make to the overall welfare of the country, so say for instance there's 100 boxing clubs with an average of say 50 kids training.
That's 5000 kids who are engaging in a healthy activity, getting fit, developing confidence.
So I say, give them a pile of cash.

The potential for medal winners is irrelevant imo. Yes it's a big achievement and well done and everything, but it benefits a small number of people.
At the end of the day this 'medal winners' is just an excuse for people in the pub to cheer at the tv.

Remember when we were all cycling fans? Or swimming fans?
This time for two weeks everyone became a boxing expert.
But it's all forgotten very quickly, and for the most part the benefits wane just as quickly.

And remember, not all sports are Olympic sports. Where do they stand?

Also, be careful what you wish for. At the moment boxing is flavour of the month and everyone thinks the HP is a great idea.
But people are fickle, what would it take for them to say otherwise.
One bad games Maybe two?

cowzerp

as boxing clubs are mainly in hard up rough areas they tend to keep a lot of potential druggies, robbers, joyriders and muggers off the streets and keep them on the straight and narrow, this is way more valuable than medals, over th course of a few years 100's of kids could be trained in 1 club, even the 1's that dont stick it out would be boosted in self worth and confidence, this is why boxing should stay top of the list..and the simple fact that there non profit makes a massive difference in my eyes..

so we seem to be on the same wave lenght!

conor rowan

cowzerp wrote: »

the money would be better spent on judo than swimming etc,,
but they should put more into boxing as its ran as non profit by all amateur clubs and is generally a very irish sport also and always our best chance of medals, most martial arts clubs are making profit so dont deserve the funding as much imo...

hate to see the rich yuppy sports get lots of funding though! they dont need it really and its just lining peoples pockets!

define yuppy sport?

Nothingcompares

Obviously Golf, Rugby, Cricket, Croquet, Squash beach volley ball.....

Mikel

cowzerp wrote: »

as boxing clubs are mainly in hard up rough areas they tend to keep a lot of potential druggies, robbers, joyriders and muggers off the streets and keep them on the straight and narrow, this is way more valuable than medals, over th course of a few years 100's of kids could be trained in 1 club, even the 1's that dont stick it out would be boosted in self worth and confidence, this is why boxing should stay top of the list..and the simple fact that there non profit makes a massive difference in my eyes.

I'd say we more or less agree, although you have a very romantic view of boxing clubs... but I don't run one so what do I know :pac:

Boxing has a track record in this kind of thing, and to me that is their value, not the number of medals the lads pick up. So that is what i think they should be judged on. Tbh you could probably put any other number of sports in that bracket too, I just don't think they should be valued less just because they don't seem a prospect for a medal.

I realise there is a limited budget to go around, I think the call on where the money goes should be made on the basis of other things

Pingu

cowzerp wrote:

...hate to see the rich yuppy sports get lots of funding...

...judo clubs get mats given to them every other year! the only expense most judo clubs have is insurance....

...How does boxing suffer? its always been our best olympic sport..and where we get world champs at pro level, i dont see world champ judoka's...

...as boxing clubs are mainly in hard up rough areas they tend to keep a lot of potential druggies, robbers, joyriders and muggers off the streets and keep them on the straight and narrow, this is way more valuable than medals...

I feel I should be crying even reading this for all the poor boxing clubs. Nice play on the emotive language though.

But in all seriousness in one point you're saying that boxing should get the funding as it has been our most successful Olympic sport. Then in another point the fact that boxing keeps potential druggies off the streets is way more valuable than medals. So you're pretty much suiting yourself/ boxing with your arguement?

As the current situation stands with funding of MA/anything that's not Rugby/GAA in this country for athletes of any level wheter it's six year olds in the local parish hall or sports centre or someone preparing for a European Championship should be welcomed and shouldn't be whined/moaned about.

cowzerp

Pingu wrote: »

I feel I should be crying even reading this for all the poor boxing clubs. Nice play on the emotive language though.

But in all seriousness in one point you're saying that boxing should get the funding as it has been our most successful Olympic sport. Then in another point the fact that boxing keeps potential druggies off the streets is way more valuable than medals. So you're pretty much suiting yourself/ boxing with your arguement?

As the current situation stands with funding of MA/anything that's not Rugby/GAA in this country for athletes of any level wheter it's six year olds in the local parish hall or sports centre or someone preparing for a European Championship should be welcomed and shouldn't be whined/moaned about.

What are you on about? it was stated that medals should not be the be all and end all of where the money goes, so i gave another valid reason why boxing should be supported, in my club the kids pay 2 euro a week for 5 sessions of top training, down below our club the kenpo train 2 times a week and im guessing its minimum 5 euro a class,

and another important point, it tends to be the rougher kids doing the boxing and the softer kids doing the karate, so do you propose that both get equal funding even though 1 club has more dedication and is voluntary while the other is ran for profit and only train 2 times a week.

i'd love to see judo, kickboxing, thai boxing and all the combat sports get funded but we all know its not going to happen at any decent rate, all these make money to buy themselves pints by training and charging a fare rate, they do well financially so i dont see where the lack of money problem is.

Roper

Cowzer I think if we all had your attitude then no kid from a poorer area would even dare step onto a tennis court or try their hand at rugby. Equally, no kid from Foxrock would dare step into a boxing club.

Pingu

One of your reasons for supporting more funding for boxing was that it is one of our most successful sports and that you don't see world champion tennis players judoka's etc. But then you say that medals aren't the be all and end all so you use the boxing success to bolster your own point while at the same time saying medals don't matter. Which is it?

So as the kids that do karate are in your opinion "softer" they should get more funding? Maybe they prefer Karate? or JiuJitsu? or Judo? or Tennis? or Handball? So you feel that they shouldn't get as much funding?

Are you saying the people that coach Karate or Judo aren't dedicated? are in it for the money? To be perfectly honest with you that's down right disrespectful. How dare you make such accusations, all to bolster your "woe is me" line with respect to boxing. You're based in Rush right? why not drop down and watch a judo session in Lusk, Portmarnock or Swords and then come back on here and try and say that the people coaching their aren't doing it for the love of the sport?

"all these make money to buy themselves pints.." yes people are coaching Karate and Judo in order to buy alcohol, of course that really is their motivation, it has been a big secret until now - but you have uncovered it - well done.

Alot of the funding need is to support athletes and to help fund them in their training and to enable them to attend training camps on the continent so they can have the top level of training partners. And that they can have the top level of support while here.

conor rowan

correct me if im wrong, but was ken egan not on the top level of funding from the irish sports council along with the shotgun fella?

as for moaning about other sports getting funding, im not entirely convinced that any sport gets neglected more so than other.

the big sports soccer,GAA,rugby etc have more money as they are the BIG sports and generate money themselves through jersey sales, tv rights, gate receipts etc (and yes the GAA did receive a lot of funding for croker from the government but we do need a large stadium that is becoming more and more multi use).also GAA is a symbol of national pride/heritage and therefore always going to have a stronger hand


i had a similiar argument with one of ken egans supporters in a pub in beijing who was having a pot shot at sailing and the sailors competing. something along the lines of " theyre all loaded and dont need the money", which is absolute bollox.once you get to olympic standard, most irish athletes are scraping by and could do with more funding.
all sports have an intrinsic value. all sports encourage healthy living.team work, dedication etc. to say one is better than another and deserves more funding is crap.

as for the actual funding itself, is it even there? who here has applied for it and been denied and on what basis have they been refused?id like to hear more about the actual process of obtaining funding.

Judomad

conor rowan wrote: »

correct me if im wrong, but was ken egan not on the top level of funding from the irish sports council along with the shotgun fella?

as for moaning about other sports getting funding, im not entirely convinced that any sport gets neglected more so than other.

the big sports soccer,GAA,rugby etc have more money as they are the BIG sports and generate money themselves through jersey sales, tv rights, gate receipts etc (and yes the GAA did receive a lot of funding for croker from the government but we do need a large stadium that is becoming more and more multi use).also GAA is a symbol of national pride/heritage and therefore always going to have a stronger hand


i had a similiar argument with one of ken egans supporters in a pub in beijing who was having a pot shot at sailing and the sailors competing. something along the lines of " theyre all loaded and dont need the money", which is absolute bollox.once you get to olympic standard, most irish athletes are scraping by and could do with more funding.
all sports have an intrinsic value. all sports encourage healthy living.team work, dedication etc. to say one is better than another and deserves more funding is crap.

as for the actual funding itself, is it even there? who here has applied for it and been denied and on what basis have they been refused?id like to hear more about the actual process of obtaining funding.

do you know how much money the irish judo association got from the government this year or last year?????? doubt it, so this is an invalid comment in my opinion!!

judomick

Judomad wrote: »

do you know how much money the irish judo association got from the government this year or last year?????? doubt it, so this is an invalid comment in my opinion!!

how much?

cowzerp

Pingu wrote: »

One of your reasons for supporting more funding for boxing was that it is one of our most successful sports and that you don't see world champion tennis players judoka's etc. But then you say that medals aren't the be all and end all so you use the boxing success to bolster your own point while at the same time saying medals don't matter. Which is it?

So as the kids that do karate are in your opinion "softer" they should get more funding? Maybe they prefer Karate? or JiuJitsu? or Judo? or Tennis? or Handball? So you feel that they shouldn't get as much funding?

Are you saying the people that coach Karate or Judo aren't dedicated? are in it for the money? To be perfectly honest with you that's down right disrespectful. How dare you make such accusations, all to bolster your "woe is me" line with respect to boxing. You're based in Rush right? why not drop down and watch a judo session in Lusk, Portmarnock or Swords and then come back on here and try and say that the people coaching their aren't doing it for the love of the sport?

"all these make money to buy themselves pints.." yes people are coaching Karate and Judo in order to buy alcohol, of course that really is their motivation, it has been a big secret until now - but you have uncovered it - well done.

Alot of the funding need is to support athletes and to help fund them in their training and to enable them to attend training camps on the continent so they can have the top level of training partners. And that they can have the top level of support while here.

Pingu 1st off, i dont do boxing anymore and dont have an agenda, i do mma, did i say i (mma) should get funding? get off your high horse and stop jumping to conclusions.

i train judo in swords so whats your point? people pay a fair sum to partake in it, the coaches get a few quid to do what they want and fair play,the pints thing is just tongue in cheek! the clubs get judo mats on a regular basis,
and to answer the question AGAIN.
1. success proves that the effort is been put in.
2, keeping people off the streets and out of trouble is valid, so its not 1 or the other its both and lots more reasons too..

also i said on numerous occasions that i'd like to see all funded, your just reading the bits that suit you.

Burnt

judomick wrote: »

how much?

50K this year, to the IJA that doesn't include funds directly allocated to clubs

Judomad

judomick wrote: »

how much?

i've been to ija agm's and it is a whole lot LESS than people may think, and with the creation of Judo Ireland a few years ago it halfed that amount because even though at the time the IJA was MUCH bigger than JI the government seen that it was two associations for the one sport therefore split it 50/50, in fairness though, this year is the first year in the last 3 or 4 years that good young talent(Ian Byrne, Llyod Manning to mention a few) have been consistently being sent to top internationals, lisa kearney was well funded 2 years ago and was the first ever irish person to win an A standard tournament so hopefully more funding for these young talented judoka improves on a consistant basis.....

Clive

The money allocated for High Performance athletes should be targeted at those who are competing and winning at the highest level, and to bring those with the potential to that level. That's what the Sport's Council do - if they had more money for High Performance sport, they could do more, but they don't.

The money for NGBs should, of course be split according to the numbers of people involved in each sport and should be focused on developing sport for all. Kids, adults, men, women, recreational trainers and dedicated athletes.

They are very different things and should be kept separate.

Judomad

Burnt wrote: »

50K this year, to the IJA that doesn't include funds directly allocated to clubs

can you send me the link to your info please as a matter of interest, thanks.

Pingu

Pingu 1st off, i dont do boxing anymore and dont have an agenda, i do mma, did i say i (mma) should get funding? get off your high horse and stop jumping to conclusions.

Ah yes I'm the one on a high horse, calling sports yuppie sports and what not. No you didn't say mma should get funding, what's your point there?

But it would seem you do have an agenda

i,ve coached boxing for amateur boxers for many years, through this i never made a cent! my club train 5 nights a week

My point regading any sport is that the coaches are there week in week out for a love of the sport first and foremost, everything else comes second.

But what I don't buy is your:

they should put more into boxing as its ran as non profit by all amateur clubs and is generally a very irish sport also and always our best chance of medals, most martial arts clubs are making profit so dont deserve the funding as much imo

In all honesty alot/most sports could probably do with more funding, and putting more in Judo & TKD is a step in the right direction for all "minority" sports and should be applauded as such.

Burnt

can you send me the link to your info please as a matter of interest, thanks.

http://193.178.1.186/pdfs/08allocationswebformat.pdf

Nothingcompares

The document Brunt links to above explains the break down of Dept of Sport/IRish Sports Council/Lotto Sports Capital Programme. This I understand is funding aimed at building new training centres, improving facilites and buying equipment. It's not related to the scholarships and grants received by individuals in the particular sports nor is it concerned with other funding aimed at providing coaching or paying the electricity bill.

As a matter of interest, within the Dublin area only Irish amateur boxing received 375000 for 2007 and 2008 and Judo received 120000. Furthermore the funding was directly to the association for Judo (and thus may be used for clubs outside Dublin I'd imagine) and to the individual clubs in case of boxing (Neilstown ABC recevied 350000 in 2007. Presumably for a new club house....?