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Pat Hickey suggests more funding...

  • 12-09-2008 10:39PM
    #1
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Pat Hickey, President in the Olympic Council of Ireland on The Late Late Show this evening..

    Just watching him on The Late Late show and basically he suggests that funding swimming and track & field teams is probably a waste of money and says the IOC/Government should look at more funding for Judo and TKD squads in the future as he see's this is where our talents and best medal hopes lie.


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  • #2
    Speer
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    Why should the government be squandering money on the Olympics at all? it's a totally discredited drug fuelled jamboree.give no more TAXPayer money to this nonsense.


  • #3
    Pride Fighter
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    Speer wrote: »
    Why should the government be squandering money on the Olympics at all? it's a totally discredited drug fuelled jamboree.give no more TAXPayer money to this nonsense.

    Quit trolling and shut up please. No one wants to hear your bullsh1t.


  • #4
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Speer wrote: »
    Why should the government be squandering money on the Olympics at all? it's a totally discredited drug fuelled jamboree.give no more TAXPayer money to this nonsense.


    'Hello earth to Speer', lets talk Martial Arts in the Martial Arts forum. If you don't think our Judoka or TKD fighters have the necessary potential to represent us in the next olympics lets discuss.

    Oh, and keep the drug talk for the Equestrian forum :pac:


  • #5
    Pride Fighter
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    Mairt wrote: »
    Pat Hickey, President in the Olympic Council of Ireland on The Late Late Show this evening..

    Just watching him on The Late Late show and basically he suggests that funding swimming and track & field teams is probably a waste of money and says the IOC/Government should look at more funding for Judo and TKD squads in the future as he see's this is where our talents and best medal hopes lie.

    I believe that minority sports should get more funding. But to dismiss swimming and track and field is ridiculous. We have the same genetic goods as the British and Aussies and they do very well in swimming, we could too with some foresight. In athletics we have a great history in throwing and jumping events that can be revived. As this is the SD & MA forum I will say that our success in boxing can be replicated in the other combat sports but it would take 10-15 years to build up the kids to do wrestling/judo.


  • #6
    Speer
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    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    Quit trolling and shut up please. No one wants to hear your bullsh1t.
    No have no opinion,just rudeness and disrespect to my views.That's your problem.


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  • #7
    Pride Fighter
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    Speer wrote: »
    No have no opinion,just rudeness and disrespect to my views.That's your problem.

    In English please. Do you speak it?


  • #8
    Speer
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    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    In English please. Do you speak it?
    Not only are you disrespectful but now you're being condescending.you have no opinions or thoughts to offer.Just personal attacks.


  • #9
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    I believe that minority sports should get more funding. But to dismiss swimming and track and field is ridiculous. We have the same genetic goods as the British and Aussies and they do very well in swimming, we could too with some foresight. In athletics we have a great history in throwing and jumping events that can be revived. As this is the SD & MA forum I will say that our success in boxing can be replicated in the other combat sports but it would take 10-15 years to build up the kids to do wrestling/judo.


    Re. his comments on Swimming and Track & Field I think he was making the point that we simply don't have and won't ever have the money to fund a squad capable of winning medals.

    I also agree that it would be a few games away from having any serious Judo or TKD contenters but I do think Ireland has the foundations in way of excellent clubs and instructors.

    But part of the problem here in Ireland (which would be rectified by IOC funding) is that Martial Arts is largely treated as a past time hobby and not a true sport by people.


  • #10
    Pride Fighter
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    Mairt wrote: »
    Re. his comments on Swimming and Track & Field I think he was making the point that we simply don't have and won't ever have the money to fund a squad capable of winning medals.

    I also agree that it would be a few games away from having any serious Judo or TKD contenters but I do think Ireland has the foundations in way of excellent clubs and instructors.

    But part of the problem here in Ireland (which would be rectified by IOC funding) is that Martial Arts is largely treated as a past time hobby and not a true sport by people.

    I think TKD will be gone from the Olympics soon enough. But I agree with you regarding martial arts as a hobby. I'd like to see wrestling thought in some schools as a pilot project and depending on the success we can get at junior level we roll it out further.


  • #11
    cowzerp
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    the money would be better spent on judo than swimming etc,,
    but they should put more into boxing as its ran as non profit by all amateur clubs and is generally a very irish sport also and always our best chance of medals, most martial arts clubs are making profit so dont deserve the funding as much imo...

    hate to see the rich yuppy sports get lots of funding though! they dont need it really and its just lining peoples pockets!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • #12
    Roper
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    Well bravo IOC. Lets send a clear message here- it's ALL about the medals, if you don't do well, we'll cut your funding. More bullsh1t. Hey kids, enjoying your athletics? Like swimming? Well, sorry, we've given up on you already so go get into a minority sport.

    I've heard about as much crap from the IOC and they're multitude of cock ups this year to do me for a lifetime.


  • #13
    Mikel
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    I know boxing is flavour of the month now, but would it be any less worthwhile if they didn't win medals.
    Surely the measure of any sport is the number of people who take it up and enjoy it?
    What if next time boxing has less success are all of the clubs wasting their time now?

    I think a large part of the problem are the bar stoolers who just want to cheer anything on once it involves an Irish person winning.
    I watched a lot of the olympics, and some of the athletics for eg I found fascinating. I never once thought it was a waste of money.
    Incidentally, while posting on the athletics forum I looked into the ISC funding for elite athletes.

    In 2008 it was 2m. Just 2 million for 255 athletes, less than 9k each.

    http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/High_Performance/International_Carding_Scheme/Recipients_this_year/


  • #14
    Roper
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    Exactly. They don't hand out money anyway so the High Performance Team in boxing is now their excuse to pretend they've been like Santa all along. Then Hickey comes along and sighs as if he's lost patience with these runners who he's been throwing money at and sure they didn't even get one medal. Let's be clear, any success an Irish athlete is in spite of what the IOC does for them not because of it.

    Arse to them.


  • #15
    Mikel
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    Roper wrote: »
    Exactly. They don't hand out money anyway so the High Performance Team in boxing is now their excuse to pretend they've been like Santa all along. Then Hickey comes along and sighs as if he's lost patience with these runners who he's been throwing money at and sure they didn't even get one medal. Let's be clear, any success an Irish athlete is in spite of what the IOC does for them not because of it.

    Arse to them.
    Get off the fence! What do you really think? LOL


  • #16
    spiral
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    Cowzerp I dont think Judo clubs are run for profit in fairnesss.


  • #17
    Raze_them_all
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    spiral wrote: »
    Cowzerp I dont think Judo clubs are run for profit in fairnesss.
    Did he say there set up for profit?? no he said there making a profit. Dont misquote to suit your needs.


  • #18
    spiral
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    ???
    I said that I didnt THINK Judo clubs were run for profit , ie that anyone is earning any money from teaching there ie that they are run on an amateur basis just like an amateur boxing club...
    Set up for profit ?
    If an amateur club goes into the black on any given year , is that what you mean ?


  • #19
    Burnt
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    For the purposes of full disclosure Pat is a former Judoka, and one time president of the IJA afaik.

    I don't believe there is very many judo clubs run for profit and there are even less people making a living out of it. If the is to be any hope of Irish Judo succeeding on the international stage it will need a serious kick in the ass. Judo at a relevant international level is no longer for amateurs and can't be run in that fashion either.

    There needs to be proper funding of ATHLETES so they can train at a suitable level in a proper environment. That means a development plans, technical support, scientific support, further education of athletes so when their career is over they have something to go back to etc...


  • #20
    cowzerp
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    just to clarify my point, i,ve coached boxing for amateur boxers for many years, through this i never made a cent! my club train 5 nights a week and the kids train all those, the subs is 2 euro a week! really-thats 40 cent for 2 hours training and at xmas we would not even get a pint for the effort.

    now in a standard judo club its 5-10 euro a night and there could be 30 kids paying that, thats 150-300 subs recieved, after rent probably 270 left divided by 2 coaches is 135 for about 1 hours training.

    i support judo so am not knocking it, just saying it as it is..same applies for all martial arts..some more than others..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #21
    Nothingcompares
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    I haven't checked the figures in a while but boxing clubs receive a relative fortune from the relative funding bodies like Lotto and Irish Sports council and local government. In other words, boxing gets more money from "the government" then all the other martial arts combined, including judo. Also judo clubs have to buy expensive mats. Not all boxing clubs even have a ring.

    Pat Hickey is a good man. I like him.

    With the proper funding in place I'd consider going back to judo full time :)


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  • #22
    cowzerp
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    Nothingcompares wrote: »
    I haven't checked the figures in a while but boxing clubs receive a relative fortune from the relative funding bodies like Lotto and Irish Sports council and local government. In other words, boxing gets more money from "the government" then all the other martial arts combined, including judo. Also judo clubs have to buy expensive mats. Not all boxing clubs even have a ring.

    Pat Hickey is a good man. I like him.

    With the proper funding in place I'd consider going back to judo full time :)


    Boxing as an organisation might be better funded but individual clubs are not well funded, i've been tring to set up a club for years and its very expensive, boxing ring 6000 euro, thats 80 half size judo mats, my old club made money by running a raffle every week in the local, basically the locals support the club, bags are 200 each and about 8 are needed 1600 euro and need replacing yearly sometimes, also judo clubs get mats given to them every other year! the only expense most judo clubs have is insurance which is the same for all sports and arts and the hall that they run out of, and thats cheap in most cases. also most boxing clubs are in rough area's that really need the clubs to keep kids out of trouble.

    again im not against judo been funded but believe sports that are truly non profit and ran by volunteers are the most deserving, then i'd base it on which sport will actually qualify with the backing, as far as i know ireland have never had a judoka in the olympics?

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #23
    Burnt
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    Guys i think it might be a case of the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. There
    is no point playing the poor mouth with each other, an increase in funding in both our sports
    can only be a good thing; with the caveat of the proper reforms taking place.:cool:

    Cowerp, as state above Ireland has had some Judo Olympians in the past but none recently.


  • #24
    Nothingcompares
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    cowzerp wrote: »
    Boxing as an organisation might be better funded but individual clubs are not well funded, i've been tring to set up a club for years and its very expensive, boxing ring 6000 euro, thats 80 half size judo mats, my old club made money by running a raffle every week in the local, basically the locals support the club, bags are 200 each and about 8 are needed 1600 euro and need replacing yearly sometimes, also judo clubs get mats given to them every other year! the only expense most judo clubs have is insurance which is the same for all sports and arts and the hall that they run out of, and thats cheap in most cases. also most boxing clubs are in rough area's that really need the clubs to keep kids out of trouble.

    again im not against judo been funded but believe sports that are truly non profit and ran by volunteers are the most deserving, then i'd base it on which sport will actually qualify with the backing, as far as i know ireland have never had a judoka in the olympics?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055376619

    Miss that thread? There was a judo guy in Barcelona as well but I don't know his name.

    I wonder if Boxing suffers from not having a professional attitude. I mean there are all these clubs operating out of school halls and parish centres I'm surprised there aren't better facilities. The HPC is obviously brilliant but in my opinion, boxing has the interest, the ability and the funding just wondering why no one puts more into it. Look at MMA, how many full time gyms are there with their own premises? 10?


  • #25
    cowzerp
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    Nothingcompares wrote: »
    I wonder if Boxing suffers from not having a professional attitude. I mean there are all these clubs operating out of school halls and parish centres I'm surprised there aren't better facilities. The HPC is obviously brilliant but in my opinion, boxing has the interest, the ability and the funding just wondering why no one puts more into it. Look at MMA, how many full time gyms are there with their own premises? 10?

    How does boxing suffer? its always been our best olympic sport..and where we get world champs at pro level, i dont see world champ judoka's, tennis players, or anything else for that matter at pro level.

    Most boxing gyms are top class but where built 20-30 years ago, the training attitude is profesional, they train most days and the reason why there non profit is because there in deprived areas and train mostly kids, mma clubs train adults that are working and have money, setting up this type of boxing gym is next to impossible, if i do it will only be as part of an overall business plan, mma, sub wrestling and boxing for adults for money, and boxing for kids for the community, i dont know where you get, boxing clubs training in parish centres etc..this is a very small minority of the clubs..

    boxing been cheap is great for communitys, there are adult full time boxing clubs popping up about the place and they make money, but they dont train kids and future champs either.

    full time mma clubs? i'd say 2 in the south-bjj revolution and sbg.
    i could be wrong! as stated above there training adults who can pay just like they would in any gym.,

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #26
    Roper
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    cowzerp wrote: »
    full time mma clubs? i'd say 2 in the south-bjj revolution and sbg.
    i could be wrong! as stated above there training adults who can pay just like they would in any gym.,
    OI!


  • #27
    Nothingcompares
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    cowzerp wrote: »
    full time mma clubs? i'd say 2 in the south-bjj revolution and sbg.
    i could be wrong! as stated above there training adults who can pay just like they would in any gym.,

    Well maybe we have different definitions of full time but I was going to say

    KO, BJJ R, Kokoro, PBS, SBG and Spartan and EFR/PCC and Cork BJJ operate out of their own facilities I'm sure there are more too.


  • #28
    cowzerp
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    Nothingcompares wrote: »
    Well maybe we have different definitions of full time but I was going to say

    KO, BJJ R, Kokoro, PBS, SBG and Spartan and EFR/PCC and Cork BJJ operate out of their own facilities I'm sure there are more too.

    I guess we do have different views on full time, my club train minimum 4 official times a week and then most mornings when fights are coming, and we are certainly not full time yet! when i get premises i'll try to make it a truly full time gym,

    even the full time clubs are not truly full time, when i say full time i mean open 9 in the morning till 10 that night or something like that, kokoro as far as i know run in the evenings only, not sure of all the rest, seem to open for some time in the afternoon and the at the evening!


    ps, barry i dont know your opening hours! sorry if i left ya out..but your website is leading me to a porn site, thanks for that! maybe later!!

    Anyway to be back on topic i think it would be good for irish sports in general if they where well backed by the government, once the sports pay back the money by getting somewhere!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • #29
    Mikel
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    cowzerp wrote: »
    Anyway to be back on topic i think it would be good for irish sports in general if they where well backed by the government, once the sports pay back the money by getting somewhere!
    But that's the point though isn't it?
    What is 'getting somewhere'?
    What if the irish boxers got horrible draws and got knocked out early, does that mean all that boxing does at grass roots level is now worth less?
    Should they get their funding cut?

    I don't think olympic medals are a true measure of the worth of any sport.
    if they're getting kids in the door and they're having healthy fun then they are fulfilling any requirements imo.


  • #30
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Forgetting boxing clubs and poor kids for a moment.

    I don't think its unreasonable to play to your strenghts and fund those sports that genuinely have a chance of producing medals for us.

    It just mean's waking up to the reality that we'll NEVER have enough funds to compete with those nations who are traditionally strong in 'track & field'.

    I'm not just saying this because I train Judo, but if we our chances lie with future Judoka and medals then thats where the money should go & I'd say the same if it was true of the walkers, BMX'ers or anything else for that matter.


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  • #31
    cowzerp
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    Mikel wrote: »
    But that's the point though isn't it?
    What is 'getting somewhere'?
    What if the irish boxers got horrible draws and got knocked out early, does that mean all that boxing does at grass roots level is now worth less?
    Should they get their funding cut?

    I don't think olympic medals are a true measure of the worth of any sport.
    if they're getting kids in the door and they're having healthy fun then they are fulfilling any requirements imo.

    The olympics is the pinnacle of any athletes career, its the most honoured award an athlete can achieve, just qualifying for the olympics through europe in boxing is success, winning 3 medals is amazing, if judo players where to qualify that would be a great success also, everything else is a bonus, if a sport consistently cant qulaify then i would suggest putting the money somewhere that it might be used to better effect.

    what is your suggestion as seen as you asked the questions?

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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