inappropriate id?!?

Quazzie · 09-09-2008 08:41AM

Might be worth while getting a second passport. Since you use one everyday then it might be handy to have one anyways.

Victor · 09-09-2008 08:55AM

You realise a second passport will cost you several thousand euros and a few years jail time?

BaconZombie · 09-09-2008 08:56AM

IIRC it is illegal to carry you passport on you if you are not leaving the state in the next 48 or 72 hours.

OP. Did you note his ID number since he legally has to have is on display at all time while working.

Victor wrote: »

If you are asked to prove your age and provide valid age ID (see list) and are subsequently refused entry, you have a prima facie case for discrimination under the Equal Status Act. Ask the doorman to get the manager, because you would like his solicitor's details.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/act/pub/0031/sec0015.html

Then you aren't checking them properly.

longshanks · 09-09-2008 09:34AM

i wish i was a powder monkey

Quazzie · 09-09-2008 09:45AM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

IIRC it is illegal to carry you passport on you if you are not leaving the state in the next 48 or 72 hours

In "Long Way Down" all members of the travelling team carried two passports at all times. One on their person and one in their luggage.

Victor · 09-09-2008 09:54AM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

IIRC it is illegal to carry you passport on you if you are not leaving the state in the next 48 or 72 hours.

No it isn't and don't be so silly. Can you tell us what act it is illegal under?

thebman · 09-09-2008 09:58AM

A lot of nonsense in this thread. Just make sure to remember its illegal to ever carry a passport in case you go insane and start shooting up a school with it.

Maybe you should just get the Garda ID instead of listening ot people that don't know what they are talking about or just not go to the club/pub again.

pickarooney · 09-09-2008 10:11AM

Just photocopy your passport and bring that. Screw any place that doesn't let you in with it.

BTW, who's the oldest person you've been/seen being asked for ID?

jeremyquinn · 09-09-2008 10:13AM

Who are you lot. The minute I am asked for id, I just say, there are plenty of other places want my money, mate.

I mean I have seen groups of people queueing up with passports to get into copper's.

What next, DNA testing.

Stop complying and see how quickly the arrogant attitude changes.

And for all the docile, yes, there are higher forces at work here. The ID card push is on.

hot2def · 09-09-2008 10:13AM

I get turned away from pubs/not served in tesco regularly with a US passport and an Irish drivers licence. I'm 26. I refuse to get an age card because a) I believe it amounts to an additional id for young people - screw that, and b) I know full well that I look over 18 and have acceptable id on me, these people just don't want to serve me and I don't believe for a second that an age card would change that.....

jeremyquinn · 09-09-2008 10:19AM

Ross_Mahon wrote: »

I bring my passport everywhere with me[ /quote]

Thats a good little boy.

LouOB · 09-09-2008 10:25AM

If financial instituitions accept a valid dated drivers licence as proof of id why cant some some small cock, big head, bommer jacket wearing egit on the door

+1 for hot2def
Feck that pub

Miguel_Sanchez · 09-09-2008 10:30AM

Just don't go to crap clubs that insist on checking the ID of people that are clearly overage.

Outside of New York I don't think I've been asked for ID in about 7 or 8 years. Man, I must be getting old. :mad:

Theta · 09-09-2008 10:53AM

Victor wrote: »

If you are asked to prove your age and provide valid age ID (see list) and are subsequently refused entry, you have a prima facie case for discrimination under the Equal Status Act. Ask the doorman to get the manager, because you would like his solicitor's details.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/act/pub/0031/sec0015.html

Then you aren't checking them properly.

Valid ID as said before is only a Garda age card. Off Licences have gotten into trouble in court before for serving with a passport or drivers license. Driving license is proof of eligibility to drive, passport of nationality and right to travel and in the eyes of the law the age card is the only legal proof of age.

Although many places take them because they believe its good enough technically the bouncer is right although its never happened to me. He was prob using it as an excuse to not let you in but its a valid one in the law

Victor · 09-09-2008 10:55AM

Read what I quoted, before I call you names and embarrass you.

Theta · 09-09-2008 11:00AM

Victor wrote: »

Read what I quoted, before I call you names and embarrass you.

I'm pretty sure its been updated since 2003 and I have been told this by a barrister also he said it was now 23 that id had to be carried till.

Victor · 09-09-2008 11:01AM

Then name the act and section.

Honey-ec · 09-09-2008 11:11AM

I just rang my local Garda station to ask if there's an upper age limit for the National Age Card (as I had heard you can't get one if you're over 23). He said he didn't know, but his "professional advice" (his words) are to tell any establishment who won't accept your driving licence to "sing for it" (his words again) and take your business elsewhere.

And I'd be inclined to agree. I'm 26 years of age, there is no way in hell I'm going to go an queue in the Garda station with a load of spotty 17 year olds to apply for an Age Card.

Delirium · 09-09-2008 11:12AM

Slightly off topic but just wanted to ask about being asked for ID in general.

Had a really weird experience in a pub in Dublin city. It was the around lunch time. Went into a pub and was asked for ID by the barman before I'd even ordered. What really annoyed me was all I wanted was an orange juice.:mad:

Was wondering I hadn't given him ID, could he refuse to serve me the orange juice? I was 27 at the time.

In relation to the age card, I know of a person that the guards wouldn't sign the age card application because she was 26.:eek:

Theta · 09-09-2008 11:23AM

Victor wrote: »

Then name the act and section.

I haven't a bean but the ILA was updated in 2004,2006 and of course 2008 AFAIK.

Had a really weird experience in a pub in Dublin city. It was the around lunch time. Went into a pub and was asked for ID by the barman before I'd even ordered. What really annoyed me was all I wanted was an orange juice.

Was wondering I hadn't given him ID, could he refuse to serve me the orange juice? I was 27 at the time.

And yes he can as you for ID as soon as you come on the premises.

Delirium · 09-09-2008 11:26AM

irlmarc wrote: »

And yes he can as you for ID as soon as you come on the premises.

Fair enough. But could he have refused me the orange juice, if I didn't have it on me? I mean the ID is for the purchase/consumption of alcohol.
Just curious is all.:)

missmatty · 09-09-2008 12:03PM

Is there some sort of thing going on lately where they are being extra careful asking for ID? I've been asked twice in the last fortnight, once at a bar on Friday and once while buying cigarettes.

Like. I'm 30 :pac:

In fairness it's a great ego-boost. When the girl behind the bar saw my dob on the ID she said 'wow'

DanGerMus · 09-09-2008 12:35PM

jeremyquinn wrote: »

I mean I have seen groups of people queueing up with passports to get into copper's.

What next, DNA testing.

You know that might not be a bad idea for coppers might reduce the time taken to find the father.

monosharp · 09-09-2008 12:50PM

Mr.S wrote: »

Mine took 2 weeks to come, 1 form filled out, 10€, no hassle at all!

In what world is that no hassle ? Thats 10 fecking quid and filling out a form and waiting 2 weeks JUST to have the privilege of spending your money on a drink.

Am I the only one that thinks this is pathetic ?

Its easier for young people to buy hash or heroin then a bloody pint of Guinness.

BKtje · 09-09-2008 01:46PM

Quite a few years back (2001 or so),a mate and i got asked for ID in a place in Blackrock by the owner(identified himself as such). We handed him our id's and away he goes happy enough.

He then comes back about 5 minutes later demanding that we leave. We ask why and we're told that we're too drunk. We explain to him that we couldn't be drunk as we're still stuck in the queue to get a drink. He then changes his tune and says we causing a "ruckus" and there's been a number of complaints.
We once again explain to him that we've barely been on the premesis five minutes and there couldn't have been a number of complaints as we'd done nothing but queue. He then waffled on for a bit about some other excuse that he was making up before we said ****it and walked out. By that time there were a fair few bemused onlookers. No idea what we actually did but we never went back there again.

Out of curiosity we went to the local garda shop to ask what our rights were in this situation but we were just told that it's not a criminal matter and that we'd have to talk to a solicitor.

Of course we never bothered but could we have lodged a complaint/spoken to a solicitor or was the owner within his rights to ask us to leave for bogus reasons?

Its easier for young people to buy hash or heroin then a bloody pint of Guinness.

Hash or heroin? Just thought it funny that you lumped them intogether

4Xcut · 09-09-2008 02:51PM

yoyo wrote: »

You'll need that age card thing then, stupid thing which you have to apply for and wait months for, I just use my DIT ID and most places accept it, but the only ones shops require to accept are Passport/Garda Card, I wouldn't mind if you got one once your over 18 automaticly but the hasstle of it means ive never bothered

Nick

As much of a pain as it is to wait for one, it is not logistically possible to have a bunch of people employed to check the cencus each day and see who's going to be turning 18 the following week and send out their ids.

Best thing that can be done is to employ a few people for a short time and clear the back-log, then there will only be a reasonable wait.

Not only this but most people don't get surprised at turnign 18, they know it's coming and could very easily just apply.

Femelade · 09-09-2008 02:55PM

My sister bought tickets to a gig in a venue in cork city. That night she arrived at the place and was refused entry because she had no id. (She's 26 - and looks older than me (28)).She had no drink taken and tried to explain to the bouncer that she would have needed to have been over 18 to buy the tickets anyway, but he wasnt budging on it. So she had to leave.
The next day she rang and asked to speak to a manager, she spoke to him and he was very apologetic and took her email address.
He had emailed her on several occasions since, all with apologies and telling her how grateful he is that she had taken the situation so well, offered her free tickets to any of the upcomming gigs they had on there.

So complaining worked out well for her.

I'm 28 and HAVE to carry my garda ID. I am constantly being asked in places especialy one that i frequent quite regulary, by the same bouncer. I feel like telling him that i am getting older, not younger and that ther is noway that i will magically go back to being under 18, just so he can not let me in. dumbass.

Ass · 09-09-2008 02:59PM

You shouldn't have been going to coppers. Serves you right.

BKtje · 09-09-2008 03:07PM

it is not logistically possible to have a bunch of people employed to check the cencus each day and see who's going to be turning 18 the following week and send out their ids.

If you believe the conspiracy theorists we are all already in a giant database which you can easily query to see who turns 18 on whatever day

gaybitch · 09-09-2008 03:09PM

It'd be great if the Garda age card worked for all ages - it'd be handy to be able to have the age card to prove you're under 16, over 16, over 18, over 21 etc all in one. You're not allowed apply for an age card aged 17.

As it stands you can only get a Garda card that proves your age when you are 18 - which implies the Garda card is only really to be used when purchasing alcohol. I know this is what everyone who gets one uses it for, but it still sends a weird message.

inappropriate id?!?

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