Fina Gael proposed to give unemployed foreign nationals 6 months dole if they go home

Pete4779 · 05-09-2008 05:21PM

FG are wickedly out of touch. Someone obviously advised that the no to Lisbon vote represented xenophobia and isolationist beliefs in Ireland, which again shows how the political parties are so desynced from people.

Why not use the money to pay for courses, in effect making it a grant. If there are no jobs, those that want to work will likely move to somewhere where there is work 9eg., London). We would essentially being paying dole to people no longer in the country and who would be unlikely to work anyway.

Those that moved all the way here from e.g., Poland to work would quite happily IMHO move all the way to London, germany or back to Poland to continue to work. Who are the end people who wouldn't be working, and why should we be paying for them to remain jobless?

Therickmachine · 05-09-2008 06:02PM

the drifter wrote: »

i was speaking to a foriegn national this morning...he informed me he was being let go from his job because his boss said he was too slow...i asked him what will he do now as there is not much work...his response...draw the dole..

i put down a 14 hour day yesterday...why so my tax can pay for him to sit on his ass..

Agreed 100%

Why should the Irish tax payer pay off non Irish in order to get them to leave?
Believe you me, the likes of the US and middle eastern countries (UAE and Saudi) would happily boot them out without a penny if they have no work! Not in Good old "free bus ride" Ireland. I don t mind if they have fallen on hard times or are looking for work but why should they get a cash present from us, if they have to go back?

Makes me sick as a tax payer!:D

Run_to_da_hills · 05-09-2008 06:09PM

the drifter wrote: »

i was speaking to a foriegn national this morning...he informed me he was being let go from his job because his boss said he was too slow...i asked him what will he do now as there is not much work...his response...draw the dole..

i put down a 14 hour day yesterday...why so my tax can pay for him to sit on his ass..

He is entitled to claim his stamps back.

sdanseo · 05-09-2008 06:50PM

Fantastc idea. Free up some part time, low-wage jobs for us students who need them. We have to look after our own. I'm not being racists/xenephobic in the slightest but it's common sense.

CSC · 05-09-2008 06:56PM

Common sense to pay someone to leave the country. It's a ridicolous idea and like something the BNP in the UK would propose.

Irish people being anti-immigration cracks me up when I think of the various Irish communities all over the world and how they were treated when they emigrated.

Agamemnon · 05-09-2008 07:03PM

Our current government are an incompetent shower of mouth-breathing cretins. Why are they still in power? Because compared to fucking Fine Gael, they're intellectual titans.

Run_to_da_hills · 05-09-2008 07:16PM

Give them all free booze to take home with them along with this lump sum, I.E. All the recrnt booze stolen by the Gardai

Mossy Monk · 05-09-2008 07:47PM

How about deporting those who are claiming benefits yet not looking for work. Paying people off is the wrong approach.

OPENROAD · 05-09-2008 07:52PM

CSC wrote: »

Irish people being anti-immigration cracks me up when I think of the various Irish communities all over the world and how they were treated when they emigrated.

ah but thats different don't you know

irish_bob · 05-09-2008 08:10PM

the drifter wrote: »

i was speaking to a foriegn national this morning...he informed me he was being let go from his job because his boss said he was too slow...i asked him what will he do now as there is not much work...his response...draw the dole..

i put down a 14 hour day yesterday...why so my tax can pay for him to sit on his ass..

the dole here is still higher than a weeks wages in eastern europe

surplus to requirement public servants have been sucking the economy dry for years , there a much bigger parrasite than immigrants , apart from nurses and doctors , you wont find foreigners in the public service

Hagar · 05-09-2008 08:21PM

CSC wrote: »

Irish people being anti-immigration cracks me up when I think of the various Irish communities all over the world and how they were treated when they emigrated.

Do tell, how exactly are the various Irish communities treated all over the world? And how indeed were they treated when they emigrated? Open arms? Free healthcare and housing?

With the absolute minimum possible disrespect, you Sir, are talking the greatest load of the contents of my underpants that I have ever heard.

"No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs". Does that ring any bells?

OPENROAD · 05-09-2008 08:24PM

Hagar wrote: »

And how indeed were they treated when they emigrated? Open arms? Free healthcare and housing?

Actually, yes.

Hagar · 05-09-2008 08:28PM

LOL. Move to Humour.

OPENROAD · 05-09-2008 08:39PM

Hagar wrote: »

LOL. Move to Humour.

Have relatives who went to the uk in the 80's got FREE housing/welfare/handouts not saying it is right.

ejmaztec · 05-09-2008 08:45PM

I would imagine that some financially aware Irish citizens will be forging their new Polish passports as we speak.

"I'm goin back to Warsaw - Boss - where's me fuckin' money?"

Hagar · 05-09-2008 08:48PM

To be fair you're right regarding the UK. They were always a soft touch for their ex-colonies. Not any more. Ireland is as soft today as the UK was then. We are quick enough to pick up on their legislation regarding fleecing the taxpayer every which way possible but oddly never noticed when they started to close their immigration gates. We never followed suit on that one, now look at the place.

Elsewhere the Irish got a very ambiguous welcome and still do. There are still on-going negotiations of with the US regarding the regularization of thousands of Irish in the US who can't visit home or go to a doctor for fear of being discovered and deported.

OPENROAD · 05-09-2008 08:53PM

Hagar wrote: »

To be fair you're right regarding the UK. They were always a soft touch for their ex-colonies. Not any more. Ireland is as soft today as the UK was then. We are quick enough to pick up on their legislation regarding fleecing the taxpayer every which way possible but oddly never noticed when they started to close their immigration gates. We never followed suit on that one, now look at the place.

Elsewhere the Irish got a very ambiguous welcome and still do. There are still on-going negotiations of with the US regarding the regularization of thousands of Irish in the US who can't visit home or go to a doctor for fear of being discovered and deported.

True the UK is a lot tighter now compared to back then. With EU citizens they have the right to move and work but I would like to see a points system for non eu citizens and based on jobs that need to be filled that can't be filled.

Re the US situation and illegals over there, are the US not right in there stance, if the sitation was reversed.

Fuascailt · 05-09-2008 08:58PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Another moronic suggestion from Fine Gael. What's new? I'll be damned if I let anyone leech my tax as a gift for leaving.

So you're fine with people leeching your tax, while staying here and doing nothing?

Hagar · 05-09-2008 08:59PM

Indeed they are, I'm just making the point that Ireland does not owe immigrants anything on the mistaken basis that the Irish are welcome the world over.

regi · 05-09-2008 09:34PM

My favourite bit was Conor 'Kebab' Lenihan quivering with fake indignation at the 'racist' idea.

lacrimosa · 06-09-2008 12:09PM

being an immigrant myself (namely Polish national), may I just give a few words from the other side of the wall.

I think that, as an independent state, Ireland is free to introduce solutions that would be considered and generally accepted as good for the country and its citizens. in particular when the time of cost cutting comes.

I've been working here in a profession that is in line with my education, and hopefully won't have to claim unemployment benefit. however if that happened, I'd definitely need to secure means for a living and would then 'draw a dole', but at the same time would do my best to try to find a new job, even part-time or below my qualifications if necessary. and so would most of my Polish folks do, I think. a good example for that would be recent articles re foreign nationals living off the state allowances, where Poles were one of the most, if not the most active community group in terms of employment
[ http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/risible-lies-about-immigrants-no-substitute-for-honest-debate-1456226.html ]

other thing is that, although I think I'd have not too bad opportunities back in Poland, I'd try to keep on living and overcome worse period in Ireland, as I've established my little home here and also am not one of those who flee a sinking ship first.

BTW, I find it a bit funny coincidence (or not coincidence?) that this Fine Gael proposal was expressed by Mr Leo Varadkar, whom biography I do not know but wouldn't be surprised if he's Irish citizen in 1st generation.

FX Meister · 06-09-2008 12:14PM

they are leeching their own tax. Why not send the irish who cant be arsed working to poland instead?

Fuascailt wrote: »

So you're fine with people leeching your tax, while staying here and doing nothing?

stepbar · 06-09-2008 03:20PM

Best idea I heard ever. And when they're at it they might look at the students on so called "student visas".

Unknown Soldier · 06-09-2008 03:32PM

lacrimosa wrote: »

being an immigrant myself (namely Polish national), may I just give a few words from the other side of the wall.

I think that, as an independent state, Ireland is free to introduce solutions that would be considered and generally accepted as good for the country and its citizens. in particular when the time of cost cutting comes.

I've been working here in a profession that is in line with my education, and hopefully won't have to claim unemployment benefit. however if that happened, I'd definitely need to secure means for a living and would then 'draw a dole', but at the same time would do my best to try to find a new job, even part-time or below my qualifications if necessary. and so would most of my Polish folks do, I think. a good example for that would be recent articles re foreign nationals living off the state allowances, where Poles were one of the most, if not the most active community group in terms of employment
[ http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/risible-lies-about-immigrants-no-substitute-for-honest-debate-1456226.html ]

other thing is that, although I think I'd have not too bad opportunities back in Poland, I'd try to keep on living and overcome worse period in Ireland, as I've established my little home here and also am not one of those who flee a sinking ship first.

BTW, I find it a bit funny coincidence (or not coincidence?) that this Fine Gael proposal was expressed by Mr Leo Varadkar, whom biography I do not know but wouldn't be surprised if he's Irish citizen in 1st generation.

Well said.

Red Alert · 06-09-2008 04:47PM

They shouldn't do that - in fact they should pay some of the nice Polskas to stay.

06-09-2008 05:05PM

pickarooney wrote: »

And what's to stop them coming straight back?

Explosive collars. Running Man style.

Run_to_da_hills · 06-09-2008 05:08PM

lacrimosa wrote: »

BTW, I find it a bit funny coincidence that this Fine Gael proposal was expressed by Mr Leo Varadkar, whom biography I do not know but wouldn't be surprised if he's Irish citizen in 1st generation.

Give Mr Leo Varadkar a 6k golden handshake and send him on the boat

Sherifu · 06-09-2008 06:07PM

Fine gael are so radical.

Our man in Havana · 06-09-2008 06:31PM

Their policies are not all that dissimilar from a crowd that used to run Germany.

Run_to_da_hills · 06-09-2008 06:52PM

Bond-007 wrote: »

Their policies are not all that dissimilar from a crowd that used to run Germany.

And they also supported the Yes for Lisbon campaign

Fina Gael proposed to give unemployed foreign nationals 6 months dole if they go home

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