Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

05-09-2008 07:46AM #1

Like recently we've been having students giving out about a reintroduction of fees, the Shell to sea campaign among many other things but is the truth and final decision regardlessly not going to make a blind bit of difference what they do?

Like has there been a case where the government has made a decision and from public uproar changed their mind?

Just curious.

hussey · 05-09-2008 07:49AM

In Oz yes, workchoices it was called
John Howard introduced this bill which effectively took away workers rights, Kevin Rudd was voted in and he abolished it (or changed).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorkChoices

CiaranC · 05-09-2008 07:51AM

http://struggle.ws/wsm/talks/carnsore2002.html

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-09-2008 07:59AM

We're not really that good at protesting here, and there's very little solidarity.

A small bunch will take to the streets; the rest will moan incessantly that the traffic's been disrupted and will want the said protesters shoud be strung up for maing them late.

You certainly wouldn't get the kind of protests the Parisians(sp?) are capable, or the Brits wehn Maggie tried to bring in the Poll tax.

Macha · 05-09-2008 08:48AM

Um..they delayed taking their salary increases earlier this year...?

Mahatma coat · 05-09-2008 08:55AM

hussey wrote: »

In Oz yes, workchoices it was called
John Howard introduced this bill which effectively took away workers rights, Kevin Rudd was voted in and he abolished it (or changed).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorkChoices

Bolloxology, AWA's/Work Choices was a great system, a total revamp of the archaic system that was in place, individualy negotiated contracts with collective bargaining a Fvckin enlightened concept.

the reason that it was scrappedby labour is that it took away the Unions stranglehold on the labourmarket and would hae seriously reduced the power ofthe unions to organise strikes (which was a good thing IMHO)

now we are back to the bad old days of union control in the jobmarket.

the 'Friday Chinese' club that controls the trade unions needs to be eradicated

mikemac · 05-09-2008 08:57AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

protesters shoud be strung up for maing them late.
.

Damn straight!

Probably the best lobby group involved in protests in Ireland are the IFA.
They pass off peacefully and always get coverage on the news.
I suppose the heckling of the Minister of Agriculture at the farming show two years ago wasn't peaceful but it was well covered in the news.

You realy need to go to France to see how it's done

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-09-2008 09:06AM

taconnol wrote: »

Um..they delayed taking their salary increases earlier this year...?

I don't remember a protest here? And if the politicians had stuck to their guns and taken the increases, it would have happened.

Wibbs · 05-09-2008 09:09AM

Yep I can think of one, but a strange one. The gov introduced fishing licences for trout back in the 80's and fishing types objected en masse. few people bought them and on a couple of occasions bailiffs were actually thrown in rivers etc. People who were prosecuted were backed by a large legal fund and since a fair few of the legal types are fishing types... By the second year I think they sold something like 100 of them country wide so it had to be scrapped. Solidarity is what does it.

Macha · 05-09-2008 09:18AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I don't remember a protest here? And if the politicians had stuck to their guns and taken the increases, it would have happened.

Well, there wasn't a physical protest but there was public uproar. You're right, nothing would have happened. Politicians in this country don't have the decency to step down when they should. Britain is the other extreme but there is a happy middle.

Fratton Fred · 05-09-2008 09:19AM

they came up with this crazy notion that everyone who drives a car on their own should have passed a test, Mad i know and ultimately public opinion delayed the implementation.

Mind you, once it failed to meet its objective of covering up a massive pay increase for a few top people there was no point pushing on with it.

Cookie_Monster · 05-09-2008 09:23AM

there was some sort of childrens shoe tax the government tried to bring in ages ago that was overturned, wasn't there?

Pighead · 05-09-2008 09:25AM

The great "Bring back the fcuking rolleyes smilie" protest of 08 was a resounding success.:rolleyes:

egan007 · 05-09-2008 09:32AM

Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

LOL

Have you read anything on the foundation of the state?

TequilaMockingBird · 05-09-2008 09:39AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

A small bunch will take to the streets; the rest will moan incessantly that the traffic's been disrupted and will want the said protesters shoud be strung up for maing them late.

You certainly wouldn't get the kind of protests the Parisians(sp?) are capable (of?), or the Brits wehn Maggie tried to bring in the Poll tax.

What?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Bolloxology, AWA's/Work Choices was a great system, a total revamp of the archaic system that was in place, individualy negotiated contracts with collective bargaining a Fvckin enlightened concept.

the reason that it was scrappedby labour is that it took away the Unions stranglehold on the labourmarket and would hae seriously reduced the power ofthe unions to organise strikes (which was a good thing IMHO)(.?)

now we are back to the bad old days of union control in the jobmarket.

the 'Friday Chinese' club that controls the trade unions needs to be eradicated(.?)

micmclo wrote: »

You realy need to go to France to see how it's done(.?)

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep I can think of one, but a strange one. The gov introduced fishing licences for trout back in the 80's and fishing types objected en masse. few people bought them and on a couple of occasions bailiffs were actually thrown in rivers etc. People who were prosecuted were backed by a large legal fund and since a fair few of the legal types are fishing types...(New paragraph) By the second year I think they sold something like 100 of them country wide so it had to be scrapped. Solidarity is what does it.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

they came up with this crazy notion that everyone who drives a car on their own should have passed a test, Mad i know(,?) and ultimately public opinion delayed the implementation.

I propose people read their f*cking posts before hitting the "submit reply" button. Who's with me? Together we can CHANGE THE WORLD!

TequilaMockingBird · 05-09-2008 09:43AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

they came up with this crazy notion that everyone who drives a car on their own should have passed a test, Mad i know and ultimately public opinion delayed the implementation.

Mind you, once it failed to meet its objective of covering up a massive pay increase for a few top people there was no point pushing on with it.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

there was some sort of childrens shoe tax the government tried to bring in ages ago that was overturned, wasn't there?

Pighead wrote: »

The great "Bring back the fcuking rolleyes smilie" protest of 08 was a resounding success.:rolleyes:

Beautiful, as usual Mr Pig.

whiskeyman · 05-09-2008 09:43AM

Haven't you seen Mint Feasts and Wispas back in the shops???

Case closed...

SimpleSam06 · 05-09-2008 09:44AM

Jay D wrote: »

Like has there been a case where the government has made a decision and from public uproar changed their mind?

There are several million euros worth of voting machines rotting in a warehouse somewhere that argues yes, protests can be effective. Not marching in the street mind you, but well reasoned arguments in the broadsheets.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-09-2008 09:45AM

sueme wrote: »

What?

I propose people read their f*cking posts before hitting the "submit reply" button. Who's with me? Together we can CHANGE THE WORLD!

You got me. I'm only just out of bed and the typing brain hasn't kicked in yet. But dear God if that gets to ya, God hlep ya wehn de reel revlution comez.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 05-09-2008 09:48AM

careful sueme or you'll end up with an infraction/ban.. would have infracted you already but I couldn't think of a polite way to say 'being a dick'.

Fratton Fred · 05-09-2008 09:50AM

|-*SxyDubGrrl93*-| wrote: »

careful sueme or you'll end up with an infraction/ban.. would have infracted you already but I couldn't think of a polite way to say 'being a dick'.

how about "Being a penis"?

TequilaMockingBird · 05-09-2008 09:51AM

|-*SxyDubGrrl93*-| wrote: »

careful sueme or you'll end up with an infraction/ban.. would have infracted you already but I couldn't think of a polite way to say 'being a dick'.

No problem, I will shut up. I'm just finding it a little irritating this morning.

(Thanks for trying to think of a polite way to say it though, its not the usual AH stylee!)

TequilaMockingBird · 05-09-2008 09:53AM

|-*SxyDubGrrl93*-| wrote: »

careful sueme or you'll end up with an infraction/ban.. would have infracted you already but I couldn't think of a polite way to say 'being a dick'.

/runs for the hills

thelordofcheese · 05-09-2008 09:59AM

egan007 wrote: »

Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

LOL

Have you read anything on the foundation of the state?

Didn't they get beaten, captured and most of them executed?

Quazzie · 05-09-2008 10:28AM

Ireland hates protestants. Everyone knows that

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 05-09-2008 10:46AM

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Ireland hates protestants. Everyone knows that

Ireland hates EVERYBODY.

egan007 · 05-09-2008 10:59AM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Didn't they get beaten, captured and most of them executed?

That's a bit of a silly question considering you live in this state....think about it
The point is not what happened to them it's
'Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious? '

thelordofcheese · 05-09-2008 11:28AM

egan007 wrote: »

That's a bit of a silly question considering you live in this state....
think about it
The point is not what happened to them it's
'Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious? '

Not seeing it, sorry......

meditraitor · 05-09-2008 11:35AM

:cool:What about those crazy Feminists on the Contraception Train in 1970
Irish womans liberation army or something like that.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/sisters-do-it-92091.html

Earthhorse · 05-09-2008 11:50AM

Protesting has always been a pretty poor means of achieving social change, not only in Ireland but elsewhere.

People just like doing it cos it's fun.

Pighead · 05-09-2008 11:55AM

Earthhorse wrote: »

Protesting has always been a pretty poor means of achieving social change, not only in Ireland but elsewhere.

People just like doing it cos it's fun.

He's right you know.
Pighead knows for a fact that FlutterInBantams loves nothing more than a good old fashioned "dirty protest"

Has there eve been a case in Ireland where those protesting are victorious?

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