Cynical Kerry masked by Talented Footballers

K-9 · 24-08-2008 09:48PM

jackbhoy wrote: »

3. Cork penalty, complete joke, Canty took 2/3 steps then leapt into kerry back, obvious free out to me.

Looked like a body check to me, interesting to see what the Sunday Game say!

Edit: It wasn't a square ball either though the penalty was 50/50 I'd say!

K-9 · 24-08-2008 09:49PM

seandugg wrote: »

what kind of bans will the 2 red cards today get?

Both out for the replay, barring appeals! :pac:

Culchie · 24-08-2008 10:24PM

Seanies32 wrote: »

Looked like a body check to me, interesting to see what the Sunday Game say!

Edit: It wasn't a square ball either though the penalty was 50/50 I'd say!

I also thought the Kerry back had no intention/inclination to play the ball, he ran across the attacker's line and I think it was a penalty.

Aidan O'Mahoney will regret his behaviour for the rest of his life I think. He's a guard in Cork, and that was absolutlely disgraceful conduct from a 'hard man' that he portrays himself to be.

Can't see his fellow work colleagues, or indeed general public in Cork having much respect for him after todays debacle.

Denis Irwin · 24-08-2008 10:29PM

Culchie wrote: »

Aidan O'Mahoney will regret his behaviour for the rest of his life I think. He's a guard in Cork, and that was absolutlely disgraceful conduct from a 'hard man' that he portrays himself to be.

Can't see his fellow work colleagues, or indeed general public in Cork having much respect for him after todays debacle.

:eek:

Can't see that going down too well. With him being a Guard you would have though he would have a bit more cop on(If you pardon the pun

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cruiserweight · 24-08-2008 10:34PM

O'Mahony's job is irrelevant.

He went down easily and made a meal of it. But if O'Connor hadn't raised his hands then nothing would have happened. O'Connor might have a chance of getting off on appeal, but technically he broke the rules.

MisterAnarchy · 24-08-2008 10:37PM

The two most cynical teams in the country are All Ireland Champions and both are going for 3 in a row.
While Kerry and Kilkenny have fine players they are also guilty of the most cynical fouling and unsportsmanlike behaviour.
The GAA need to lay down the law and clean the game up.

Culchie · 24-08-2008 10:39PM

cruiserweight wrote: »

O'Mahony's job is irrelevant.

He went down easily and made a meal of it. But if O'Connor hadn't raised his hands then nothing would have happened. O'Connor might have a chance of getting off on appeal, but technically he broke the rules.

You're talking from the rulebook, I'm talking from the tradition of gaelic games for the last 130 years in this country.

His conduct was a disgrace to the Kerry Jersey and I'm sure the ex-players of the Kingdom will be disgusted at their 2008 captain.

smackbunnybaby · 24-08-2008 10:56PM

jackbhoy wrote: »

Plus everyone criticising ref just becasue he sends off cork player , you should be giving him freedom of the city, he handed the game to cork in that:
1. - Donaghy gets 2 handed mauling in square, stone cold penalty, not given!
2. - Masters goal - as obvious a square ball as I've ever seen (even said so himself in radio interview afterwards), goal given.
3. Cork penalty, complete joke, Canty took 2/3 steps then leapt into kerry back, obvious free out to me.

the referee didnt hand the game to Cork - Kerry were 7 points up with 3 minutes to play. no referee can overturn a match at that stage, however a full team can lose a game.

1. Foul on Donaghy was definitely a penalty. his problem was he got straight up after the penalty and didnt appeal it. he didnt make the referees mind up for him.

2. Masters goal was proven to be legitimate

3. if you watch the tv replays carefully of aiden o mahony he is watching canty's run. AOM then turns his back on canty and stops his run in attempt to block canty's run. it was a very well disguised cynical foul and was rightly punished with a penalty. It is also called Karma.

smackbunnybaby · 24-08-2008 10:58PM

in reaction to the thread title - it is rare the good guy wins in sport!

Orizio · 24-08-2008 11:01PM

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

the referee didnt hand the game to Cork - Kerry were 7 points up with 3 minutes to play. no referee can overturn a match at that stage, however a full team can lose a game.

1. Foul on Donaghy was definitely a penalty. his problem was he got straight up after the penalty and didnt appeal it. he didnt make the referees mind up for him.

2. Masters goal was proven to be legitimate

3. if you watch the tv replays carefully of aiden o mahony he is watching canty's run. AOM then turns his back on canty and stops his run in attempt to block canty's run. it was a very well disguised cynical foul and was rightly punished with a penalty. It is also called Karma.

Thank you. O'Mahony just stood in his way, didn't make any attempt to play the ball or even put his rams up and then turned his back on Canty. Clear obstruction.

As well as that, after O'Se's sending off, the ref gave Kerry more then a few soft frees.

bill_ashmount · 25-08-2008 08:31AM

jackbhoy wrote: »

2. - Masters goal - as obvious a square ball as I've ever seen (even said so himself in radio interview afterwards), goal given.

You'd want to get glasses there kid, clearly outside the square as proved by the computer simulation on the Sunday game. Or maybe you don't understand the rule???????

future_plans · 25-08-2008 08:43AM

Was wondering what people thought of McMahons yellow card. Seemed crazy to me. Just coming on for O'Brien. First thing O'Shea does is meet him with a shoulder in the face in front of the linesman. Instead of theatrically diving to the ground, McMahon (probably naively) shoulders him back. Ref comes over and gives McMahon a yellow....O'Shea scampers off down the field?!?!?! The whole crowd and the linesman saw it. Totally unjustified and baffling. At worst, it should have been a yellow for both of them.

sickpuppy · 25-08-2008 08:59AM

I remember watching an old cork kerry match early 80s dinny allen was marking paidi o se dinny clattered paidi ,then paidi flattened him witha punch fair and square in front of the ref
The ref ticked both of them they shook hands and played on all this diving is turning me off gaa.
Mr o Mahoney is suppsoed to be hard man bloody drama queen more like.
Kerry have some very talented players of course but the lieks of donaghy sceaming at teh ref is bs too no respect for refs anymore either.
It should be liek rugby any lip 10 metres every time continued back chat a card.

DDC1990 · 25-08-2008 09:11AM

Right where do i begin? Darragh Ó Sé was stupid. He shouldn't have thrown a punch dispite the fact that Pierce O'Neill was, since the second half started niggling at Darragh.
Aiden O Mahoney's acting was a disgrace, but i'd rather him throw himself down, then react and get himself sent off. A slap is a slap, Red card no doubt! And for all ye hypocrits out there... what about Alan Quirke trying to get Gooch sent off!!! Canty diving in the box to get a penalty!!! But of course they're from Cork so, they couldnt be cheating!
Everyone always has stick for the Sunday Game, but they highlighted the incidents, they said that they were both red cards! How much more anylising do you want!
Fair play to Masters, he timed his run for the Goal well, but the Penalty, was a dive, plain and simple!
As for the name of this thread, come off it, Kerry played hard and were involved in some unsavoury incidents but, in no way were they cynical! They didn't pull and drag out of Cussens, they didn't block the cork runners aftergiving the ball etc. So i'd advise changing the name of your thread. To "Cynical Cork very lucky to escape Croke Park Massacre!"

Yavvy · 25-08-2008 09:21AM

I would have to agree with the title of the thread based on this years performance. AOM was disgraceful no doubt about that but he should have been taken off by management shortly after the barging incident (great call by the ref ) it was obvious the guy was out to hurt someone and was more interested in Cork players than the ball. I was also delighted to see the ref book gooch for what i guess was interference or incitement, he walked into that cork player looking to get knocked over and have the cork lad booked. Gooch loves that carry on. OSe was unlucky to be caught punching your man.. a lot of that goes on and its rarely a one man tango. but got was he deserved.

You know why CD didn't get his peno ? because kerry were looking for frees all over the place, it was obvious to the ref..also he moans about most decisions... you should not expect to get those kind of calls when you set out your stall as a moany, back chatting team.

great game by the ref imo. did as well as he could have possibly done.

DDC1990 · 25-08-2008 09:39AM

Wow Alany didn't expect this from you! Why so sour? So you are saying Donaghy didn't get his penalty because Kerry were looking for free's... Oh yeah i forgot the rulebook stated that a penalty should not be given in tyhe case of persistant pulling and dragging by the Cork team leading to Kerry team players looking for frees! Silly me! AS for Gooch getting booked... are you sure? Didn't see that incident myself (i was at the match so didn't have the pleasure of replays of any foul) As for AOM, he was fired up, but he wasn't looking to injure anyone. Cussens with his flying fist to Scanlons face was in my mind a lot more dangerous!

P.S: In case you think im being overly biased, Daragh Ó Sé's punch was dangerous too!

tomdadude · 25-08-2008 09:44AM

DDC1990.I've seen a few of your posts and it is very obvious that you are extremely anti-Cork.

And judging by your last line above you've noticed yourself that you're very biased.

Yavvy · 25-08-2008 10:07AM

DDC1990 wrote: »

Wow Alany didn't expect this from you! Why so sour? So you are saying Donaghy didn't get his penalty because Kerry were looking for free's... Oh yeah i forgot the rulebook stated that a penalty should not be given in tyhe case of persistant pulling and dragging by the Cork team leading to Kerry team players looking for frees! Silly me! AS for Gooch getting booked... are you sure? Didn't see that incident myself (i was at the match so didn't have the pleasure of replays of any foul) As for AOM, he was fired up, but he wasn't looking to injure anyone. Cussens with his flying fist to Scanlons face was in my mind a lot more dangerous!

P.S: In case you think im being overly biased, Daragh Ó Sé's punch was dangerous too!

I'm not saying it was right he didn't get a peno. I'm just offering the reasoning. As someone who has played football for 20 years now I have learned that ref's are always predisposed to the team he perceives to be less hassle. I think cussons challenge was similar to Collie Morans, clumbsey. he could have easily got a red card on another day.

I dont know why your surprised at me comments. for years I have been annoyed with some things in gaa. Barging, play acting, moaning/backtalk at the ref and this thing of giving a player who just scored a bump. ( didnt see much of that yesterday). for the rest of those things all counties do it. but it seemed plainly obvious to me Kerry were worse.

Alan

DDC1990 · 25-08-2008 10:08AM

Ah now im not anti-cork. I just feel a lot of this crap coming kerry's way is very unfair, considering Cork were at it as well if not more! i just needed to add a bit of balance ffs!

Edit: In response to Alany, Sorry i just thought that you (like lot of Dubs i know) had jumped on the ABK wagon, and try to justify The referee not giving a stone wall penalty to a side, because of incidents seen previously in the game! I agree with you that Aiden O'Mahoney's dive was a disgrace but to single him out, when Quirke did the same thing to Colm Cooper...it is a joke!

Yavvy · 25-08-2008 10:10AM

Tom da dude, don't worry about DCC's bias or lack of... there is no rule to state that your opinion must be fairly balanced... we all have opinions from different perspectives. If you have something to say on the discussion .. please do.

Alan

Yavvy · 25-08-2008 10:18AM

If anything I am Pro Kerry, always considered them my second county. But yesterday pissed me off somewhat. I know AOM was not out to intentionally hurt anyone but we have all seen players like that in the past. too G'ed up to be really productive and likley to hurt someone/get hurt/sent off.

As it was he gave Cork the draw so... he was actually more helpful to Cork than kerry. thats why management should have spotted that and pulled him off.

tomdadude · 25-08-2008 10:27AM

Alany wrote: »

Tom da dude, don't worry about DCC's bias or lack of... there is no rule to state that your opinion must be fairly balanced... we all have opinions from different perspectives. If you have something to say on the discussion .. please do.

Alan

When people are biased and express their opinions the truth is rarely told.

As a neutral I'll give my view.
The two red cards were the correct decisions.
AOM should have been red carded for his theatrics.
Donaghy should have been awarded a penalty.(clear holding)
The Cork penalty was correctly awarded.AOM knew exactly what he was doing and ran across Canty's path.

Kerry are cynical and that's why they are so successful.They hit hard.To be fair Cork gave as good as they got.

They are the key decisions as I saw them.

careca · 25-08-2008 10:34AM

Alany wrote: »

too G'ed up to be really productive and likley to hurt someone/get hurt/sent off.

I knew I shouldn't have read this thread when I saw the title.

Are you honestly saying the Kerry management should have taken off O'Mahony because of the above. Thats exactly what they would want, a player fired up to the last ready to give it all. If he gets sent off, so be it, its part and parcel of the game and it happens from time to time. Just so you know, I thought his dive was a complete joke and I said so at the time to cork fans around me (I'm from Kerry).

And for the poster who mentions Kerry's 4 red cards this year, 1 of them was rescinded. Two of them were for 2 yellows. I wouldn't exactly call it filthy.

Pappy o' daniel · 25-08-2008 10:43AM

Kerry are chokers, 8 points up against Derry in the league, 8 points up Cork in munster, 8 points up yesterday 5mins to go.

Poor AOM, imagine the mocking hes going to get from his garda buddies, they'll never let him forget it.

Dara o' se is a bully, o'neill is the only player hes come up against who he can't intimidate physically, so he trys to gain advantage by "other means"

It was funny watching Dara and Pat on the sunday game, looked like they had been eating a s**t sandwitch from their expressions.

Yavvy · 25-08-2008 10:44AM

I am suggusting he should have been pulled off, or calmed down. because there come's a point where a player becomes a liability. AOM didnt quite do that, but he embarssed himself and gave a peno away.

Alan

Yavvy · 25-08-2008 10:46AM

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

Poor AOM, imagine the mocking hes going to get from his garda buddies, they'll never let him forget it.

Dara o' se is a bully, o'neill is the only player hes come up against who he can't intimidate physically, so he trys to gain advantage by "other means"

It was funny watching Dara and Pat on the sunday game, looked like they had been eating a s**t sandwitch from their expressions.

careful with the personal abuse please. read the charter... Friendly warning.

DDC1990 · 25-08-2008 10:48AM

Yeah, we are chokers... thats why we are going for 3 in a row this year. We simply can't do it on the big day. And pierce o'neill is an angel, i mean he didn't do anything to make Daragh Angry.

careca · 25-08-2008 10:49AM

Alany wrote: »

I am suggusting he should have been pulled off, or calmed down. because there come's a point where a player becomes a liability. AOM didnt quite do that, but he embarssed himself and gave a peno away.

Alan

Fair enough, I disagree but I see your point. If I was the Kerry manager I'd want him like that and i would also tell him to forget the penalty incident because it could have gone either way.

Pappy - words of wisdom there. Can't wait for your next post. What County man are you? Mind you, I'd be surprised if you did announce it.

Pappy o' daniel · 25-08-2008 10:57AM

DDC1990 wrote: »

Yeah, we are chokers... thats why we are going for 3 in a row this year. We simply can't do it on the big day. And pierce o'neill is an angel, i mean he didn't do anything to make Daragh Angry.

Well, ye certainly haven't been doing it on the big day this year.

homerjay2005 · 25-08-2008 11:03AM

Het-Field wrote: »

Bear in mind Darragh's sending off was their fourth of the Championship year.

Will the panel on the Sunday Game pick this up ?

3 of those sendings off shouldnt have happened and were refeering errors.up until yesterday, only 1 red and that was quashed. other 2, were 2 yellows and if paul didnt react the way he did, he wouldn have been suspended.

im not going to bother commenting on the rest of it. whats that phrase about success and jealously?

Cynical Kerry masked by Talented Footballers

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