National ID Card

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Not necessarly, the photo ID can be altered as was in one of the first biometric passports that was cloned, Ie a photo of Bin Laden was digitally inserted into the chip instead of the original child. http://www.newscred.com/article/show/title/e-passports-can-be-hacked-and-cloned-in-minutes-e-passport-489a3c66b12a4

I recently skimmed through a book called RFID Handbook - Applications, Technology, Security and Privacy - skimmed because its very technical in parts, but basically the format is a collection of essays by eminent people in the field of RFID.
Some of the contents was included in a sunday times article 2 Sundays ago.

The bottom line is that these people , many of them anyway, are concerned about the security and privacy issues, although they approve heartily of many of the proposed beneficial uses of the RFID.

I think I'll stick with their analyses for the forseeable...

Every time this arguement pops up I want to start screaming.

Ireland needs a solid ID card made out of plastic and durable. After travelling around the world for a year having my irish driving lisence rejected as valid ID in a number of places and now its in flits after getting wet. At this stage I couldn't care less what data they put on it.

I mean convergence is the future Barclaycard and oyster have shown this for tube and transport access in london.

In this day and age we are tracked by so many items we carry cards bank sim passport I for one would like to combine them all and then be able to forget about them.

As was stated by many poster above what have law abiding people to fear??

DUMBOBLONDE wrote: »

Great, sounds like a childrens story.

The facts; you arrive in hospital, they take your card. Scan it. Access the amount of damage, the cost of fixing the damage. Then compare this to your projected taxable revenues over the rest of your life.

If the figures are not positive, then my friend, you will only get a patch up job.

Thats reality.

It seems to be that your version of reality and actual reality are mutually exclusive.

DUMBOBLONDE wrote: »

Incase you have yet to notice, you will see more cop chases/criminals on 10 minutes of prime time TV than you will see in 70 years in real life.

Don't believe the hype, we are a long way from the wild west thats is shown by the sunday world and joe duffy callers.

So you're saying there isn't that much crime and so we don't have to worry about ID cards being stolen because it's all just scaremongering?

DUMBOBLONDE wrote: »

If the figures are not positive, then my friend, you will only get a patch up job.

Thats reality.

No it isn't.

In Ireland, the public health services that the card would actually be used for, do not rely on you money or projected income vs. tax. They are already paid for by the DoH.

Private hospitals will not need your card, because they are not on the public health scheme.

Where are you from anyway?

I couldn't be arsed reading all that but 640,000 have free travel? Sounds pretty high...

Half the problem with this sort of this is who should administer it. My money is on the OPW, cos we all know DSFA and DoH couldn't do it without complaining that the other person has info and won't hand it over. The OPW is part of Finance and I assume (though I'm not sure), officials at Finance can find out pretty much what they want, when they want.

I think we are all missing the most obvious question. Why do the Zombies want to implement a national ID card and force us to carry it? What possible advantage will it give the brain-munching living dead. We should oppose this plan with force if necessary, at least until we find out what nefarious intelligence is behind it.

Wreck wrote: »

I think we are all missing the most obvious question. Why do the Zombies want to implement a national ID card and force us to carry it? What possible advantage will it give the brain-munching living dead. We should oppose this plan with force if necessary, at least until we find out what nefarious intelligence is behind it.

Wear the new Faraday-cage tinfoil hat, for as little as 30 minutes per day - the pointy one is most effective, and all will become clear.

humanji wrote: »

Do you need a PIN for your driving license, bus pass, rail pass and/or ID? I must of been out when they brought that in.

I dont know whether or not you were out humanji, but you chose to not read my post properly. I never stated that a PIN was required for driving licences, bus passes, etc.

Instead I simply made an analogy regarding the folly of using a single PIN for all your plastic cards, i.e. your credit cards and debit cards. Please reread it on your return.

DUMBOBLONDE wrote: »

oh how wrong you are. They will rip out any organs they can and sell them to the rich. Never heard of organ harvesting? What about the story a while back where they were talking about introducing opt out organ harvesting from deceased patients in the U.K. You die and the next thing they are selling you off. Thats reality.

This year's organ harvest is down on last years apparently. These floods are doing untold damage.

Do you know why they wanted opt out organ harvesting? It's because people are dying for the lack of organ donors. Poor people and rich people. Not enough people use the current opt in system. So somebody came up with an idea (just and idea remember) of an opt out system. It would save a lot of lives and wouldn't hurt anybody (except those with religious or other objections who could under the proposed system opt out anyway). That's reality.

Time will prove me right. You live in an economic system, my friend.

It is fact that car companies will evaluate total compensation claims versus expense of a recall. Most cost effective wins, regardless of the possible death of little Johnny.

Same thing applies here.

That kind of thing has been happening for years. Look at the Ford Pinto in the USA. The fact is that car companies are obliged to issue recalls for almost any tiny defect nowadays that could impact safety.

e.g. there was a recall for repair notice on some Toyota Yaris models a few years back because in conditions of extreme cold, there could be intermittent steering/brake problems (can't remember which). The problem arose because a postal service in a Scandinavian country was using them for deliveries and they had occasional problems.

This was never going to be an issue for other climates but a recall was issued anyway because health and safety is paramount these days because of the very economic system you mentioned.

Anyway, back on topic. You're suggesting that before getting treatment, your possible future income will be determined and your treatment will be based on that. Why aren't they doing that now? It wouldn't be that hard. They could get your PPSN as it is and find out what you've paid in tax and assess whether you're likely to be a drain on the economy or a contributor if they save you.

Sounds like scaremongering to me.

hellbent wrote: »

I dont know whether or not you were out humanji, but you chose to not read my post properly. I never stated that a PIN was required for driving licences, bus passes, etc.

Instead I simply made an analogy regarding the folly of using a single PIN for all your plastic cards, i.e. your credit cards and debit cards. Please reread it on your return.

No I read it properly and you mad a crap analogy. You said:

To those who insist that it makes great sense to have say, your Driving Licence, Bus Pass, Rail Pass and ID information on the same card, I say, do you also have the same PIN for all your pastic cards

Now, those examples you mention don't use passwords or PIN's. So why bring them up? It is dumb to have the same PIN or passoword for all your credit/debit cards, email accounts etc, but that's got nothing to do with the examples you gave.

And then, you brought up the "putting all your info on one card" argument, which, time and again, has been pointed out to you that it won't happen.