Where the **** can I watch live judo from Beijing 2008 on TV/online??

TKD SC · 12-08-2008 02:29PM

Burnt wrote: »

Ippon is full score for a powerfull throw onto the flat of the back, 25s pin, tap out or unconsciousness. 1000 refreree holds hand straight up in the air.

Wazarai, is a half score, for a throw on back lacking power/contol, 20s pin.
100 referee hold arm out to side level with shoulder. 2 wazarai = 1 ippon

Yuko, 5 points, throw onto side 15s pin. 010 referee holds arm out to side
and at a downward angle. no amount of yuko = wazarai/ippon

Koka, 3 points, stumble/small fall eg on to ass. 10s pin. 001 referee holds arm like a traffic cop getting you to stop. no amount of kokas = yuko.

Thanks for that. Haven't seen a 1000 score yet!

Still in shock too that they cut that off with just a few seconds left!!

Burnt · 12-08-2008 02:36PM

Alot of the electronic score boards don't show Ippon it as it's an instantaineous win.

TKD SC · 12-08-2008 02:42PM

How long before they stand them up from the ground? Sometimes it seems very quick, other times longer?

Also, would this olympic rules be typical of club rules / training in Irl?

Just curious!

Thanks

Burnt · 12-08-2008 02:51PM

You have about 5 seconds to make progress (that the ref can see) on the
ground, this is bemoaned by many if not most judoka. But alot of guys do
not like ground work so they just stall out in the turtle.

As for Ireland, in competition it depends alot on the referee, but anywhere from 5-15sec to make demostratable
progress. In club practice it depends on the club and the objectives. Some sparring is just on the ground, some
is just in the air and some is mixed. Also at lower level the grip fighting wouldn't be as intense.

phalaris · 12-08-2008 03:00PM

TKD SC wrote: »

How long before they stand them up from the ground? Sometimes it seems very quick, other times longer?

Also, would this olympic rules be typical of club rules / training in Irl?

Just curious!

Thanks

From what I've seen this year, I don't think they even allow hold-downs anymore. Twice I've seen keza-gatami and the referee stood them up without waiting 25 sec.

In general, judo training does not reflect olympic judo. The organisers want to promote olympic judo to as wide an audience as possible (and nobody blames them, maybe in future a judo final might actually be deemed important enough to not be cut off the air!)

Granted, judo as a discipline, does not place as much emphasis on ground work as bjj, but a good club will still teach a lot of groundwork. And although the aim is to score ippon, in many judo clubs fights will continue on the ground, as long as something is happening and it's not a strength contest like you see in the UFC. Locks, chokes and other submissions are equally as important, whereas in olympic judo the emphasis is almost completely on scoring ippon with a throw. It's simple really: throws look good, ground work does not. People want to see throws, and the intricacies or ground-fighting at lost to an audience sitting 100 feet away.

Fights will also tend to be much more dynamic. Olympic judo looks at times a lot like wrestling... competitors are hunched and bent over. But this is only because they are so good, and know what they're doing. They are fully in control of their balance at all times. At club level, you will be taught to keep straight, maintain your balance, and engage the fight by being fast, dynamic and explosive... not by "wrestling" or "muscling out" your opponent. If you try to mimic what you see at this level, and try to be strong, stiff and bent over, you will lose a lot of fights.

As for training, judo is an extremely tough sport. Very physical, as well as technical. A lot of gymnastic ability is essential too.

12-08-2008 03:03PM

phalaris wrote: »

From what I've seen this year, I don't think they even allow hold-downs anymore. Twice I've seen keza-gatami and the referee stood them up without waiting 25 sec.

In general, judo training does not reflect olympic judo. The organisers want to promote olympic judo to as wide an audience as possible (and nobody blames them, maybe in future a judo final might actually be deemed important enough to not be cut off the air!)

Granted, judo as a discipline, does not place as much emphasis on ground work as bjj, but a good club will still teach a lot of groundwork. And although the aim is to score ippon, in many judo clubs fights will continue on the ground, as long as something is happening and it's not a strength contest like you see in the UFC. Locks, chokes and other submissions are equally as important, whereas in olympic judo the emphasis is almost completely on scoring ippon with a throw.

Fights will also tend to be much more dynamic. Olympic judo looks at times a lot like wrestling... competitors are hunched and bent over. But this is only because they are so good, and know what they're doing. They are fully in control of their balance at all times. At club level, you will be taught to keep straight, maintain your balance, and engage the fight by being fast, dynamic and explosive... not by "wrestling" or "muscling out" your opponent. If you try to mimic what you see at this level, and try to be strong, stiff and bent over, you will lose a lot of fights.

As for training, judo is an extremely tough sport. Very physical, as well as technical. A lot of gymnastic ability is essential too.

They still allow pins, no idea where that came from.

phalaris · 12-08-2008 03:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They still allow pins, no idea where that came from.

Officially maybe, but just from watching fights..

Pingu · 12-08-2008 03:21PM

Officially maybe, but just from watching fights..

How do you mean officially they do? but they don't?

In the 81's today Camilo of Brazil had his opponent in Tate-Shio' but finished it witht a strangle before the 25 seconds had elapsed.

What fights did they stop the holddowns?

Tanimoto of Japan won all her fights, bar her final, which was a sweet throw, by holddowns.

The EJU are looking into removing Koka scores, and will probably be banning the grabbing of the pants. (from the last Dan Grading IJA, and from Pascal Tayot at a training camp)

phalaris · 12-08-2008 10:34PM

Yeah dude I was watching Tanimoto's highlights, and you're right

I don't know what fights, but I saw it more than once that referee broke up a holddown.

Pingu · 13-08-2008 11:29AM

Hold down could be broken up for a few reasons, genereally trapping a leg or rolling out of the contest area. Or just breaking the hold.

(Mesbah just won his reperchage fight by Tate-Shio' as well)

Judomad · 13-08-2008 12:19PM

Mesbah just won again, this time with a te-guruma.......well appreciated by the Dumptruck, my favourite throw:D:D:D

arybvtcw0eolkf · 13-08-2008 02:01PM

Judomad wrote: »

Mesbah just won again, this time with a te-guruma.......

Seen it on BBCi this morning, brilliant stuff.

Bleed's Judo coverage is costing me all my leave and lack of sleep - but its bloody well worth it.

spiral · 13-08-2008 02:21PM

I saw a Georgian beat a Russian this morning and win with a holddown. You could see the countdown start on the feed once he had passed the Russians guard and secure his hold.
I was very surprised how securely the Georgian had the holdown.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 13-08-2008 02:29PM

spiral wrote: »

I saw a Georgian beat a Russian this morning and win with a holddown. You could see the countdown start on the feed once he had passed the Russians guard and secure his hold.
I was very surprised how securely the Georgian had the holdown.

I was very surprised at the lack of motivation in the Russian, looked completely switched off.

Judomad · 13-08-2008 02:29PM

spiral wrote: »

I saw a Georgian beat a Russian this morning and win with a holddown. You could see the countdown start on the feed once he had passed the Russians guard and secure his hold.
I was very surprised how securely the Georgian had the holdown.

why would you be suprised, if he didnt have him held securely the russian probly would have got out!!!!!

also this is probly the only current affair the georgians will beat the russians haha

Sitric · 13-08-2008 02:39PM

That was bizarre, he barely struggled once the hold was on, just seemed to collapse at that point.

The Mens Gold fight wasn't the best spectacle but nice ippon in the Womens final. The girl from the Netherlands got a cool tai otoshi in the bronze fight too. The mens bronze fights were much more fun to watch, what about that pickup from the egyptian? Huge throw. Good stuff.

Judomad · 13-08-2008 02:49PM

Sitric wrote: »

That was bizarre, he barely struggled once the hold was on, just seemed to collapse at that point.

The Mens Gold fight wasn't the best spectacle but nice ippon in the Womens final. The girl from the Netherlands got a cool tai otoshi in the bronze fight too. The mens bronze fights were much more fun to watch, what about that pickup from the egyptian? Huge throw. Good stuff.

yup, thats the Te-Guruma i mentioned earlier, in te gold medal fight the algerian put up a good fight against a tough georgian, i thought maybe at the end with the leg grab he may have got a koka for it but the ref waved it off:( 5 more minutes would have been nice...well at least till the next score anyway.

Sitric · 13-08-2008 03:14PM

Yeah it looked like a koka, certainly had force. Dunno though, he'd been killing the pace of the match, surprised he hadn't got another penalty.

Still, it's certainly making work more enjoyable this week!

Judomad · 13-08-2008 03:33PM

Sitric wrote: »

Yeah it looked like a koka, certainly had force. Dunno though, he'd been killing the pace of the match, surprised he hadn't got another penalty.

Still, it's certainly making work more enjoyable this week!

deffo, im enjoying work too, when the judo is over i seem to have STACKS of work to do though, probably coz im making up for two hours........

and yeah i definitely thought the Algerian scored a koka, but he didnt complain too much so either we had a bad angle or he was too exhausted to go into golden score...i pressume its the first reason tough.

spiral · 13-08-2008 05:06PM

yeah i thought the russian just gave in as well once he was pinned.
That throw from the egyptian against the french guy was amazing.

Judomad · 14-08-2008 09:35AM

spiral wrote: »

yeah i thought the russian just gave in as well once he was pinned.
That throw from the egyptian against the french guy was amazing.

it wasnt that amazing, it was good, but i wouldnt say amazing by any means.

spiral · 14-08-2008 09:44AM

in my opinion that is

Where the **** can I watch live judo from Beijing 2008 on TV/online??

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