Where the **** can I watch live judo from Beijing 2008 on TV/online??

phalaris

Hopefully this topic title will help people who are googling that exact sentence.

Today there was equestrian dressage on BBC. How is that even a sport? Why does no channel show judo?
I tried to find live online broadcasts and just ended up on these weird live tv spam sites that never seem to work.
Apparently NBC is covering EVERY event live, for the first time ever, but I think this is available for US residents only.

I can't find any other info about this.. please if anyone knows any website or stream, post a link here!

Tim_Murphy

Well first of all, dressage is a very technical and skillful sport (that's right, I say it! :eek: ), if you knew anything about it you would know that.
Second of all, BBC were showing Judo earlier today, presumably they'll be showing more of it as well.

mike2084

Every Olympic event is live on this site - you will need broadband though.

http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/

Fozzy

RTE are showing everything on their website I thought

phalaris

RTE are not showing everything, just some things.
And Tim, you're right, I don't know anything about equestrian dressage.

Michael Walsh wrote: »

Every Olympic event is live on this site - you will need broadband though.

http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/

Finally, something that Just Works. Thank you!!

arybvtcw0eolkf

BBC 1 on Sky Interactive are showing Judo every morning at 5am and again at 11am.

I only just got this from Andy Ryan (so thanks Andy).

JohnMc1

Are there any Irish Judokas in the Olympics by any chance?

arybvtcw0eolkf

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Are there any Irish Judokas in the Olympics by any chance?

Nope, I couldn't make it this time - work commitments, ya know how it is

Pride Fighter

Mairt wrote: »

Nope, I couldn't make it this time - work commitments, ya know how it is

Mairt, even though your comment was tongue in cheek you seem to know a lot about Judo from reading your posts. Why is it that Ireland produces no Olympic Judoka? I would have thought Judo would be one of the strongest martial arts we compete at internationally. Is it a lack of central funding? Do we field teams for world championships?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Mairt, even though your comment was tongue in cheek you seem to know a lot about Judo from reading your posts. Why is it that Ireland produces no Olympic Judoka? I would have thought Judo would be one of the strongest martial arts we compete at internationally. Is it a lack of central funding? Do we field teams for world championships?

Honestly, the best man here to ask that question is Judomad.

Sorry if that comes across as a bit short, but my knowledge of Judo is tiny compared to Gary's.

Pride Fighter

Thats ok, maybe he will post in here and answer my questions. I know that in Kenpo (what I do) we kick ass worldwide. I even finished third in a world championships:)

Pride Fighter

http://www.rte.ie/sport/olympics2008/player.html
The Judo finals are on live in 35 minutes on RTE.

Killme00

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Mairt, even though your comment was tongue in cheek you seem to know a lot about Judo from reading your posts. Why is it that Ireland produces no Olympic Judoka? I would have thought Judo would be one of the strongest martial arts we compete at internationally. Is it a lack of central funding? Do we field teams for world championships?

It probably has more to do with political problems within the two rival associations rather than a lack of qualified judoka. Funding is difficult to come by and is unlikely until the associations get their respective houses in order. Also the qualifying olympic standards is higher for Irish athletes than for the rest of the world because the Irish Olmpic commitee set them higher so that we only send the very best to the games and dont waste money sending 100's of people who barely make the grade.

Pride Fighter

Killme00 wrote: »

It probably has more to do with political problems within the two rival associations rather than a lack of qualified judoka. Funding is difficult to come by and is unlikely until the associations get their respective houses in order. Also the qualifying olympic standards is higher for Irish athletes than for the rest of the world because the Irish Olmpic commitee set them higher so that we only send the very best to the games and dont waste money sending 100's of people who barely make the grade.

I am pretty sure you or I would'nt see it as a waste of money to send an athlete who attains the international standard but not the Irish one as on any given day in a tournament anyone can win. 3 or 4 flash ippons would see anyone medal. If your not in you cant win, and no-one is in for us, which is ridiculous IMO. As for politics, it seems to be a general trend in all Irish martial arts, we like to destroy ourselves over ridiculous petty squabbles, Ill say no more as I know nothing of the situation except that there are 2 organisations, one official the other isnt.

Killme00

Pride Fighter wrote: »

I am pretty sure you or I would'nt see it as a waste of money to send an athlete who attains the international standard but not the Irish one as on any given day in a tournament anyone can win. 3 or 4 flash ippons would see anyone medal. If your not in you cant win, and no-one is in for us, which is ridiculous IMO. As for politics, it seems to be a general trend in all Irish martial arts, we like to destroy ourselves over ridiculous petty squabbles, Ill say no more as I know nothing of the situation except that there are 2 organisations, one official the other isnt.

I agree on both counts. I dont see it as a waste of money but the Irish Olympic comittee do which is why we send so few athletes. Recently it was stated on one of the pre Olympic shows that Ireland will be concentrating on sports in which we have dont well in the past except in exceptional circumstances, so expect to see lots more boxers, equestrian people, rowers and kayakers and less swimmers and track and field athletes.

Pride Fighter

Killme00 wrote: »

I agree on both counts. I dont see it as a waste of money but the Irish Olympic comittee do which is why we send so few athletes. Recently it was stated on one of the pre Olympic shows that Ireland will be concentrating on sports in which we have dont well in the past except in exceptional circumstances, so expect to see lots more boxers, equestrian people, rowers and kayakers and less swimmers and track and field athletes.

That is ridiculous, minority sports such as Judo and Tae Kwon Do would be a great potential growth area for Irish olympic medals. Although there is political bickering across the martial arts spectrum there are high participation numbers and high quality participants that would have a great chance of medalling. We are called the fighting Irish and we love participating in combat sports/martial arts. It is not only boxing we excel in and judo and TKD have both genders competing so they have double the potential medals of boxing, if only we would field a team.

Judomad

http://www.rte.ie/sport/olympics2008/player.html

LIVE JUDO GIRLS-57KG MEN -73KG

Nothingcompares

Firstly I don't think the so called rivalry between the IJA and JI makes one bit of difference. None at all.

The reasons why there are no irish judoka in the olympics is because no one was able to qualify. There aren't many irish entrants to these games in general. From time to time we produce world class althetes but in general I think that's just flukey. I don't know if there is any sport in ireland that can say it's extremely well set up, funded and operating to a high standard. perhaps rugby or amateur boxing would be the best. you can argue that Ireland already punch above their weight in terms of athletes per unit population but comparing ireland to places like finland, estonia and Denmark (other small population eu countries) you can see were aren't really doing well at all.

at the end of the day imo sport is just seen as a hobby by the irish government etc. and if you want to achieve great things you need to get yourself to anothr country and fund yourself. of course, from time to time a sonia o'sullian will come out of the blue but as I said before, it's just look. put enough monkies in a room with a type writer and you'll eventually find a shakespeare.

but having said that I agree that sports like judo are the types of sports that ireland has the potential to do well in. we can find our best athletes easy enough and then it's a matter of grooming them from an early age in high performance sports environment to try and get them to that super high level that is olympic level.

there aren't many guys that train harder than the guys in the judo squad but there is only so much you can do when you work 40 hours a week, live you life and try to improve your judo to the highest standard.

Ireland doesn't produce enough quality training partners to consistently push the elite competitors. Funding could ameliorate this to some extent by allowing them to train abroad and compete in A tournaments more frequently.

Even with funding, there simply isn't enough people doing the sport to produce a constant stream of judokas who could be competitive on the international level. From all accounts I've heard, there were more Judokas 30 years ago than there is now. This is compounded by the fact that Judo really struggles to hang onto kids as the become teenagers. Attitudes towards this have been overly fatalistic. Blaming computer games and saying kids are "softer" these days won't solve anything.

Roper

Sonia O'Sullivan went to the US on an athletics scholarship. You'll find that most track and field athletes who have represented Ireland in the last 30 years have done that too. I don't think the monkey in the room thing applies here. If an Irish athlete has talent and really wants to be a success, for many years their only option was to move abroad to receive the kind of coaching they required.

I think that there is a real danger in judging the success of Irish sport by how many medals we win at major games. Participation and qualification is a far more realistic goal and measure of success for a nation our size. It would be fantastic to see a big team representing us on the track.

cowzerp

bbc interactive now. Loads on.

Pride Fighter

Anybody see the bronze medal match for the mens under 73kg? A Brazillian lad chucked an Iranian lad as if he was a ragdoll.

Yeah, beauty of a throw.

TKD SC

Some good judo on live there now on rte website...

I can't quite figure out how the scoring works? Mairt?

Seems to score 1, 10, or 100 on the scoreboard?

It's good stuff though!

Would this differ much from club judo? They seem to get them up off the ground pretty quick if it goes there - what's the ruling for that, and is that the same in clubs also? Basically what's the main difference between the olympic fights versus club sparring / randoori?

Thanks

Simon

Sitric

Oh good christ, RTE.ie just cut off their coverage of the judo with twenty seconds left in the bronze fight. The Ukranian was up by a yuko, what was the result?

They have just shown all the repechage fights and cut it off before the male and female gold fights!

Where else can I catch the finals?

Burnt

http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/

live 03

btw ukrainian won, he came verey close to disqualification for stalling in the last 10s

phalaris

OMG RTE are retards, they just cut it off right before the final.. I can't watch the eurovision one from work... what a great channel.. ****ing mongs..

Burnt

Ippon is full score for a powerfull throw onto the flat of the back, 25s pin, tap out or unconsciousness. 1000 refreree holds hand straight up in the air.

Wazarai, is a half score, for a throw on back lacking power/contol, 20s pin.
100 referee hold arm out to side level with shoulder. 2 wazarai = 1 ippon

Yuko, 5 points, throw onto side 15s pin. 010 referee holds arm out to side
and at a downward angle. no amount of yuko = wazarai/ippon

Koka, 3 points, stumble/small fall eg on to ass. 10s pin. 001 referee holds arm like a traffic cop getting you to stop. no amount of kokas = yuko.

Sitric

Thanks very much, nearly had a heart attack!

Did you see the big uchi mata the japanese girl won with? And nice strangle from the brazilian.

The eurosport site is fantastic. Couldn't connect yesterday for some reason. And beach volleyball on Ch 7 I see for the rest of the day! Just sayin...

ryoishin

I can get the eurosport site up but the video box just stays black.

I have to download something for the RTE site.

But in work and dont want to mess with it.

phalaris

ryoishin wrote: »

I can get the eurosport site up but the video box just stays black.

I have to download something for the RTE site.

But in work and dont want to mess with it.

Download realplayer from real.com and restart your browser. You should be able to view it in the browrser window.

If you're using linux, download RealPlayer11GOLD.bin from real.com/linux, and:

chmod a+x RealPlayer11GOLD.bin
sudo ./RealPlayer11GOLD.bin
killall gnome-panel

then restart your browser, download the .smil files and open with Real Player

Still can't believe RTE cut it off..
Guess I'm not going to work tomorrow then..

TKD SC

Burnt wrote: »

Ippon is full score for a powerfull throw onto the flat of the back, 25s pin, tap out or unconsciousness. 1000 refreree holds hand straight up in the air.

Wazarai, is a half score, for a throw on back lacking power/contol, 20s pin.
100 referee hold arm out to side level with shoulder. 2 wazarai = 1 ippon

Yuko, 5 points, throw onto side 15s pin. 010 referee holds arm out to side
and at a downward angle. no amount of yuko = wazarai/ippon

Koka, 3 points, stumble/small fall eg on to ass. 10s pin. 001 referee holds arm like a traffic cop getting you to stop. no amount of kokas = yuko.

Thanks for that. Haven't seen a 1000 score yet!

Still in shock too that they cut that off with just a few seconds left!!

Burnt

Alot of the electronic score boards don't show Ippon it as it's an instantaineous win.

TKD SC

How long before they stand them up from the ground? Sometimes it seems very quick, other times longer?

Also, would this olympic rules be typical of club rules / training in Irl?

Just curious!

Thanks

Burnt

You have about 5 seconds to make progress (that the ref can see) on the
ground, this is bemoaned by many if not most judoka. But alot of guys do
not like ground work so they just stall out in the turtle.

As for Ireland, in competition it depends alot on the referee, but anywhere from 5-15sec to make demostratable
progress. In club practice it depends on the club and the objectives. Some sparring is just on the ground, some
is just in the air and some is mixed. Also at lower level the grip fighting wouldn't be as intense.

phalaris

TKD SC wrote: »

How long before they stand them up from the ground? Sometimes it seems very quick, other times longer?

Also, would this olympic rules be typical of club rules / training in Irl?

Just curious!

Thanks

From what I've seen this year, I don't think they even allow hold-downs anymore. Twice I've seen keza-gatami and the referee stood them up without waiting 25 sec.

In general, judo training does not reflect olympic judo. The organisers want to promote olympic judo to as wide an audience as possible (and nobody blames them, maybe in future a judo final might actually be deemed important enough to not be cut off the air!)

Granted, judo as a discipline, does not place as much emphasis on ground work as bjj, but a good club will still teach a lot of groundwork. And although the aim is to score ippon, in many judo clubs fights will continue on the ground, as long as something is happening and it's not a strength contest like you see in the UFC. Locks, chokes and other submissions are equally as important, whereas in olympic judo the emphasis is almost completely on scoring ippon with a throw. It's simple really: throws look good, ground work does not. People want to see throws, and the intricacies or ground-fighting at lost to an audience sitting 100 feet away.

Fights will also tend to be much more dynamic. Olympic judo looks at times a lot like wrestling... competitors are hunched and bent over. But this is only because they are so good, and know what they're doing. They are fully in control of their balance at all times. At club level, you will be taught to keep straight, maintain your balance, and engage the fight by being fast, dynamic and explosive... not by "wrestling" or "muscling out" your opponent. If you try to mimic what you see at this level, and try to be strong, stiff and bent over, you will lose a lot of fights.

As for training, judo is an extremely tough sport. Very physical, as well as technical. A lot of gymnastic ability is essential too.

phalaris

phalaris wrote: »

From what I've seen this year, I don't think they even allow hold-downs anymore. Twice I've seen keza-gatami and the referee stood them up without waiting 25 sec.

In general, judo training does not reflect olympic judo. The organisers want to promote olympic judo to as wide an audience as possible (and nobody blames them, maybe in future a judo final might actually be deemed important enough to not be cut off the air!)

Granted, judo as a discipline, does not place as much emphasis on ground work as bjj, but a good club will still teach a lot of groundwork. And although the aim is to score ippon, in many judo clubs fights will continue on the ground, as long as something is happening and it's not a strength contest like you see in the UFC. Locks, chokes and other submissions are equally as important, whereas in olympic judo the emphasis is almost completely on scoring ippon with a throw.

Fights will also tend to be much more dynamic. Olympic judo looks at times a lot like wrestling... competitors are hunched and bent over. But this is only because they are so good, and know what they're doing. They are fully in control of their balance at all times. At club level, you will be taught to keep straight, maintain your balance, and engage the fight by being fast, dynamic and explosive... not by "wrestling" or "muscling out" your opponent. If you try to mimic what you see at this level, and try to be strong, stiff and bent over, you will lose a lot of fights.

As for training, judo is an extremely tough sport. Very physical, as well as technical. A lot of gymnastic ability is essential too.

They still allow pins, no idea where that came from.

phalaris

Deleted User wrote: »

They still allow pins, no idea where that came from.

Officially maybe, but just from watching fights..

Pingu

Officially maybe, but just from watching fights..

How do you mean officially they do? but they don't?

In the 81's today Camilo of Brazil had his opponent in Tate-Shio' but finished it witht a strangle before the 25 seconds had elapsed.

What fights did they stop the holddowns?

Tanimoto of Japan won all her fights, bar her final, which was a sweet throw, by holddowns.

The EJU are looking into removing Koka scores, and will probably be banning the grabbing of the pants. (from the last Dan Grading IJA, and from Pascal Tayot at a training camp)

phalaris

Yeah dude I was watching Tanimoto's highlights, and you're right

I don't know what fights, but I saw it more than once that referee broke up a holddown.

Pingu

Hold down could be broken up for a few reasons, genereally trapping a leg or rolling out of the contest area. Or just breaking the hold.

(Mesbah just won his reperchage fight by Tate-Shio' as well)

Judomad

Mesbah just won again, this time with a te-guruma.......well appreciated by the Dumptruck, my favourite throw:D:D:D

arybvtcw0eolkf

Judomad wrote: »

Mesbah just won again, this time with a te-guruma.......

Seen it on BBCi this morning, brilliant stuff.

Bleed's Judo coverage is costing me all my leave and lack of sleep - but its bloody well worth it.

spiral

I saw a Georgian beat a Russian this morning and win with a holddown. You could see the countdown start on the feed once he had passed the Russians guard and secure his hold.
I was very surprised how securely the Georgian had the holdown.

arybvtcw0eolkf

spiral wrote: »

I saw a Georgian beat a Russian this morning and win with a holddown. You could see the countdown start on the feed once he had passed the Russians guard and secure his hold.
I was very surprised how securely the Georgian had the holdown.

I was very surprised at the lack of motivation in the Russian, looked completely switched off.

Judomad

spiral wrote: »

I saw a Georgian beat a Russian this morning and win with a holddown. You could see the countdown start on the feed once he had passed the Russians guard and secure his hold.
I was very surprised how securely the Georgian had the holdown.

why would you be suprised, if he didnt have him held securely the russian probly would have got out!!!!!

also this is probly the only current affair the georgians will beat the russians haha

Sitric

That was bizarre, he barely struggled once the hold was on, just seemed to collapse at that point.

The Mens Gold fight wasn't the best spectacle but nice ippon in the Womens final. The girl from the Netherlands got a cool tai otoshi in the bronze fight too. The mens bronze fights were much more fun to watch, what about that pickup from the egyptian? Huge throw. Good stuff.

Judomad

Sitric wrote: »

That was bizarre, he barely struggled once the hold was on, just seemed to collapse at that point.

The Mens Gold fight wasn't the best spectacle but nice ippon in the Womens final. The girl from the Netherlands got a cool tai otoshi in the bronze fight too. The mens bronze fights were much more fun to watch, what about that pickup from the egyptian? Huge throw. Good stuff.

yup, thats the Te-Guruma i mentioned earlier, in te gold medal fight the algerian put up a good fight against a tough georgian, i thought maybe at the end with the leg grab he may have got a koka for it but the ref waved it off:( 5 more minutes would have been nice...well at least till the next score anyway.

Sitric

Yeah it looked like a koka, certainly had force. Dunno though, he'd been killing the pace of the match, surprised he hadn't got another penalty.

Still, it's certainly making work more enjoyable this week!

Judomad

Sitric wrote: »

Yeah it looked like a koka, certainly had force. Dunno though, he'd been killing the pace of the match, surprised he hadn't got another penalty.

Still, it's certainly making work more enjoyable this week!

deffo, im enjoying work too, when the judo is over i seem to have STACKS of work to do though, probably coz im making up for two hours........

and yeah i definitely thought the Algerian scored a koka, but he didnt complain too much so either we had a bad angle or he was too exhausted to go into golden score...i pressume its the first reason tough.

spiral

yeah i thought the russian just gave in as well once he was pinned.
That throw from the egyptian against the french guy was amazing.