New Hard Dance/Trance gig

Bart Wilde · 22-03-2008 11:46PM #1

Hello.
I`m organising new Hard Dance/Trance gig on this summer. It will be every 2 weeks in clubs and pubs around the Dublin.
Whats new?
-strictly over 18 (id needed)
-strictly no drugs policy (if you look, like on drugs, you are out)

Music will be from Hard Dance to Trance, and everything between.

Im writting here, for some advices. What entry fee you could pay for such a gig?
What is the most annoing you thing on such a gigs?
You prefer 1 exp DJ, or 2-3 new 1?

Thanks for any resp, Bart.
(subject is here, because is about hard dance and trance music...)

buckfast4me · 23-03-2008 03:26PM

Bart Wilde wrote: »

Hello.
I`m organising new Hard Dance/Trance gig on this summer. It will be every 2 weeks in clubs and pubs around the Dublin.
Whats new?
-strictly over 18 (id needed)
-strictly no drugs policy (if you look, like on drugs, you are out)

It will never work out.

Run_to_da_hills · 23-03-2008 04:23PM

buckfast4me wrote: »

It will never work out.

You know them by their eyes

Bart Wilde · 23-03-2008 10:00PM

buckfast4me wrote: »

It will never work out.

Why? There is no such a gig in Dublin i think (maybe some "only VIP" gigs)
You are naked, bouncing like a crazy, you are out. If you are not happy with that, Security will check your eyes. It should working...

jtsuited · 24-03-2008 12:57AM

Bart Wilde wrote: »

Hello.
I`m organising new Hard Dance/Trance gig on this summer. It will be every 2 weeks in clubs and pubs around the Dublin.
Whats new?
-strictly over 18 (id needed)
-strictly no drugs policy (if you look, like on drugs, you are out)

Music will be from Hard Dance to Trance, and everything between.

Im writting here, for some advices. What entry fee you could pay for such a gig?
What is the most annoing you thing on such a gigs?
You prefer 1 exp DJ, or 2-3 new 1?

Thanks for any resp, Bart.
(subject is here, because is about hard dance and trance music...)

Surely this is some sort of joke?
Why would you kick someone out for being on drugs? Would you kick them out for being drunk?

24-03-2008 11:00AM

I am fed up going to places and having muppets come along asking me am I out of it. **** off!! I think it's a good idea. Defo more market research from your side needed.

Run_to_da_hills · 24-03-2008 01:44PM

Jay D wrote: »

I am fed up going to places and having muppets come along asking me am I out of it. **** off!! I think it's a good idea. Defo more market research from your side needed.

Lisa Lashes played at May Carneys in Ennis two years ago, about a dozen young women and blokes mingled in with the crowd and asked various individuals "if they were out of it" and "where would they get pills" etc. About 1/2 an hour later the lights went on and a number of people were rounded up and arrested by these undercover cops. The night club was shut for a month by court order.

30txsbzmcu2k9w · 24-03-2008 01:52PM

Naive to say the least if you think this is going to work.
Bouncers lurking on the edge of the dancefloor checking peoples eyes....no thanks....

JC 2K3 · 24-03-2008 01:57PM

Bart Wilde wrote: »

-strictly no drugs policy (if you look, like on drugs, you are out)

Lmao.

A Hard Dance /Trance night where if you look too happy or dance too much/ too enthusiastically, you get kicked out.

Drunk people ruin nights for other people. I've never had someone on pills ruin a night for me. I don't see what the point of this policy is.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Lisa Lashes played at May Carneys in Ennis two years ago, about a dozen young women and blokes mingled in with the crowd and asked various individuals "if they were out of it" and "where would they get pills" etc. About 1/2 an hour later the lights went on and a number of people were rounded up and arrested by these undercover cops. The night club was shut for a month by court order.

Surely that's entrapment....

It's also hardly the nightclubs fault....

Run_to_da_hills · 24-03-2008 02:13PM

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Surely that's entrapment....
It's also hardly the nightclubs fault....

Thats the way these guys work, they subtly mingle in with the crowd and see whats going on. It was and wasn't the night clubs fault. Some individual approached the owner and asked to hire the use of the venue for a private party, he then posted flyers about premoting Lisa Lashes about the town and county. The owner should have copped on sooner and insisted in more security. The court pointed out that the venue did very little to prevent drug abuse. I know it is impossible to search everyone going in the door for pills but it dose not take too much to have a few sober lads mingling through the crowd to see whats going on and to boot anyone out who is "off their head" or seen acting suspicious.

About 6 years ago Lisa Lashes booked into the West County Hotel in Ennis, the owner Micky Linch mistook her for a country & western singer. It was too late for them to cancel the gig as the crowds were arriving and the PA was set up. Micky Linch just went straight to the cops himself and told them his mistake, the cops were in force at the door themselves! It was a good show and went on without incident but I never saw so many pills thrown on the ground that night!!

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 24-03-2008 02:22PM

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Surely that's entrapment....

Entrapment law here isn't quite the same as the law in the US.

While in the US, a law enforcement officer can't directly incite illegal activity, they can here and probably in the UK, given that most of our laws are common.

I can't remember the exact details but there was a thread somewhere some time ago about the gardai using persons under 18 in an effort to punish those who bought drink for people under 18, and the offending off-licences. Basically the kids would hang around asking people to buy them drink, then the garda would pounce.

Run_to_da_hills · 24-03-2008 02:49PM

It would be extremly difficult to prove entrapment. The cops would have snoopers out sussing out the crowd and informing them whats going on and who is doing what. The cop that makes the arrest may not be the same cop that would have been "looking for the pills". If they intend doing a major bust they have a crew working from outside the county. Anyone who is dealing in pills knows all the DS in their local community.

jonny68 · 24-03-2008 05:44PM

Bart Wilde wrote: »

Why? There is no such a gig in Dublin i think (maybe some "only VIP" gigs)
You are naked, bouncing like a crazy, you are out. If you are not happy with that, Security will check your eyes. It should working...

hahaha security will check your eyes how lovely, in all my years of going to Raves and clubs ive never once been refused entry because "security thought i was on drugs and checked my eyes" are you actually for real here, your planning on putting on a hard dance/trance gig (music that is renowned for drug taking whether you ike it or not) and your coming out with mad stuff like this.:eek:

Scubadevils · 24-03-2008 07:30PM

Maybe there is a market for it but I would look for a small venue anyway. Hard to imagine Hard dance/trance and no drugs

L1011 · 24-03-2008 09:31PM

I've been to trance events at clubs with some of the strictest security around (e.g. in Northern Ireland), been on the edge of the industry for years and I've *never* had a security guard look in to my eyes...

Possibility that the fact I usually have car keys with me when they do the pocket check changes something but I seriously doubt it.

Also, how is 'strictly over 18' new? Tivoli is obsessive about ID and theres been many hard dance events there.

Seanie M · 24-03-2008 11:48PM

Skipping around the drugs conversation (I have my own views, which are mine not to dispense here), what's the story Bart about getting involved? Send in a couple of mix CD's with a portfolio and all that?

Seanie.

Bart Wilde · 25-03-2008 09:29AM

Felixdhc wrote: »

Maybe there is a market for it but I would look for a small venue anyway. Hard to imagine Hard dance/trance and no drugs

Yeah, that why i create this topic, to check, if it works, and now i see that can be a bad idea

I will start new gig this summer anyway, but I lookin for some new form of it. I already have couple good experiences (my friends are working with leisure industry) and fresh looks on some things (promotion, etc...). We will see, first I need to buy new speakers and change My apartment for some party-hole

Seanie M wrote: »

Skipping around the drugs conversation (I have my own views, which are mine not to dispense here), what's the story Bart about getting involved? Send in a couple of mix CD's with a portfolio and all that?

Seanie.

Just a link for set download, portfolio and e-mail address is necessary as well

Executive Steve · 25-03-2008 12:53PM

To be honest, it's one thing to keep drugs out of a club, but where on EARTH are you going to find anybody over 18 to go to a Hard Trance night????

Bart Wilde · 25-03-2008 02:47PM

I dont know, why everybody in Dublin think, that hard dance/trance is for kids only? For example in Limerick, in Trinity Rooms there is sometimes some nice gig, and no under age people are allowed... All over the Europe there are big trance gigs (Trance Energy, Sensation White, Sunrise Festival, Global Gathering)... Dublin is one big exemption on Europe map...

Executive Steve · 25-03-2008 07:22PM

Because Dublin is the nation's capital and sees itself as being a bit more "cultured" i suppose...

You do get the occasional big gig at the point theatre or at the vaults, but really you're talking about teenage children wearing fluffy boots and taking drugs in teh sort of quantities that make me feel old even thinking about it...

turks · 25-03-2008 09:41PM

its hard enoughto fill a venue with out bringin in security to check your eyes it would never work-hardtrance all d way:D:D:D

31-03-2008 11:34PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Lisa Lashes played at May Carneys in Ennis two years ago, about a dozen young women and blokes mingled in with the crowd and asked various individuals "if they were out of it" and "where would they get pills" etc. About 1/2 an hour later the lights went on and a number of people were rounded up and arrested by these undercover cops. The night club was shut for a month by court order.

anyone going to a Lisa Lashes night deserves to be arrested.

That includes that talentless scag as well.

turks · 01-04-2008 11:00PM

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Big Chief · 19-07-2008 10:45AM

Sonny Tart Stockholder wrote: »

Naive to say the least if you think this is going to work.
Bouncers lurking on the edge of the dancefloor checking peoples eyes....no thanks....

sorry but hes right, i stopped taking drugs when i was younger and still love trance nights but this is the most unappealing thing

add in the fact most bouncers are *****ers and need only half an excuse at the best of times to eject you for no reason...

just accept it for what it is and enjoy yourself, its a bit like saying what someone stated previously, i would be scared to look to enthusiastic

plus a few friends i know still take the odd drug from time to time, although i dont participate i would never stop them, you are kinda generalising drug taking with complete scumbags (im not defending it, but im also not promoting it before someone has a go)

hope the nights work out

if there is a plan to rethink im all for it, there is a complete lack of decent places to go with good dance music away from "party pop / cheese / 70's"

Big Chief · 19-07-2008 10:57AM

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

Because Dublin is the nation's capital and sees itself as being a bit more "cultured" i suppose...

You do get the occasional big gig at the point theatre or at the vaults, but really you're talking about teenage children wearing fluffy boots and taking drugs in teh sort of quantities that make me feel old even thinking about it...

im 25, most of my friends are my age or older.. we are from several different cultures ranging from scottish,polish,australian,czech,slovakia,france.. etc it goes on and we go from age ranges of 24-35 and i can say without a doubt that the above comment is silly

look at the festivals across the continent (germany i guess would be one of the primary locations for dance music) but its not a kiddy thing,

seannash · 19-07-2008 05:15PM

look its very noble of you to want to do a no drugs door policy but its not only yokes people do.and a security guard checking eyes,cmon now.
yeah and what about some muppet whos mad evil drunk.thats cool i guess.
your not there parents let people do whatever they want.

Executive Steve · 22-07-2008 09:12PM

Big Chief wrote: »

im 25, most of my friends are my age or older.. we are from several different cultures ranging from scottish,polish,australian,czech,slovakia,france.. etc it goes on and we go from age ranges of 24-35 and i can say without a doubt that the above comment is silly

look at the festivals across the continent (germany i guess would be one of the primary locations for dance music) but its not a kiddy thing,

the dutch and the germans do go mad for it all right - you'd see faded heads in their late 30's all dolled up like teenager in the point... why you'd want to use their kind as an example is beyond me..

and i never said "dance music" was a kiddy thing over here - "trance" is though...

unless you're into "psy trance" in which case lol tbh.

francois · 22-07-2008 09:47PM

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

and i never said "dance music" was a kiddy thing over here - "trance" is though...

True, there is a world of difference, trance as we know it is cliff richard music-a forever sunshine world of happy helium inflated lyrics and bright, beautiful furry boots, MDA masquerading as E, cliched drum breakdowns, the "unce unce" bass-Controlled chaos while being very safe, which is essentially the worst endictment of it.

A raver said to me once that trance is for those who dont really get what dance music is all about.

now, where did I leave them glowsticks....

L1011 · 23-07-2008 10:47AM

I've never heard 'helium inflated lyrics' at a trance event, ever. Can't comment on the drugs, never seen furry boots outside of a Tiesto gig. Would be wise to note that I do most of my clubbing in the North and I suspect you've never seen anything outside of Dublin

Do I detect a spot of genre snobbery? Deliberately crossing commercial dance (which claims its hard dance in its marketing, not trance) with actual trance in an attempt to make yourself feel better about what you play is childish in the extreme. But, of course, nothing which is actually popular with the mainstream can *ever* be good :rolleyes:

francois · 23-07-2008 11:20AM

MYOB wrote: »

I suspect you've never seen anything outside of Dublin
:

No I have never been out of dublin at any rave events

You are quite correct about genre snobbery though, I am indeed a genre snob!

L1011 · 23-07-2008 11:27AM

I was specifically referring to trance - I somehow doubt you've travelled to go to something you clearly hate with a passion now have you?

New Hard Dance/Trance gig

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