Yet another bouncer thread!

jank · 12-07-2008 04:57AM #1

:oOK tonight i got manhandelded by 3 bouncers.

Ill give you a description on what happened.
At about 12:30 i got kicked out of a well known cork pub. Didnt put up an fight just asked why and was told a coffee and a half hour later i would be ok to go back in. I had too much to drink and fair enough i went outside and meet up with a gang of mates in another club(no hastle what so ever to get in!)

My jumper was inside the previous pub but i wasnt able to get it cause it wasnt in the cloackroom. So anyway i got out of the new place i was in and went back the place where my jumper was hoping to get it back.

But of course they said wait 45 minutes before the place empties out. So like a fool i waited hoping for a kind hand where i could have a look for my jumper. Anyway about 35 minutes into the wait i got a look into the pub and no jumper to be found surprise surpise. My fault of course!!

Anyway i asked the 2 bouncers at the door for their ID tag numbers but the refused to give them. So i took a picture of them. They ran after me and pinned me up against a wall where they then took a phone out of my pocket and demanded me to delete the photo i took (it was a crap photo in fairnesss).
Anyway a garda was called and i deleted the photo in his presence but wanted to make a complaint. He was like ya make a formal complaint yadayadayda etc. He was like go home and forget about it.

So what leg do i have to stand on. The bouncers say you are not allowed to take a photo of someone you dont have permission from(hard to believe in fairnesss!!!) Do they have to show ID tags. Are they obliged to show them or tell them to you. Im going to the pub owner about this and taking legal action if must be. Sick **** of people laws applying for one set of people but not others.

I dont care about the jumper but i was pinned down like a criminal in the middle of town and my personal possessions taken out of my pockets without my consent which i know is illiegal. This is ireland not zimbabwe!!!

Opinions??

12-07-2008 05:01AM

jank wrote: »

Ill give you a description on what happened.

Please Don't

MagicMarker · 12-07-2008 05:06AM

My opinion is to not drink so much. You brought it on yourself at the end of the day. Yeah, they were dicks, but all bouncers are.

12-07-2008 05:09AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

all bouncers are.

Not all are , just some are like a dog with a bone when they have power.
I would never get pinned up against a wall though and take it smiling.:)

TirEoghain · 12-07-2008 10:26AM

I must be missing something?

Why was it so important to get the ID of the bouncer. From my initial reading of the thread the bouncer had done nothing wrong prior to this, so there was no reason to want his ID let alone take a pic. Like a previous porter, I agree that less drink is the best answer. Good luck the next time you want to go in and look for your jumper. You'll be told to **** off and rightly so. Because of you, I'll probably get told to **** off if I ever need to go in and look for a jumper too, so thanks!

nevaeh-2die-4 · 12-07-2008 10:45AM

jank wrote: »

:oOK tonight i got manhandelded by 3 bouncers.

Ill give you a description on what happened.
At about 12:30 i got kicked out of a well known cork pub. Didnt put up an fight just asked why and was told a coffee and a half hour later i would be ok to go back in. I had too much to drink and fair enough i went outside and meet up with a gang of mates in another club(no hastle what so ever to get in!)

My jumper was inside the previous pub but i wasnt able to get it cause it wasnt in the cloackroom. So anyway i got out of the new place i was in and went back the place where my jumper was hoping to get it back.

But of course they said wait 45 minutes before the place empties out. So like a fool i waited hoping for a kind hand where i could have a look for my jumper. Anyway about 35 minutes into the wait i got a look into the pub and no jumper to be found surprise surpise. My fault of course!!

Anyway i asked the 2 bouncers at the door for their ID tag numbers but the refused to give them. So i took a picture of them. They ran after me and pinned me up against a wall where they then took a phone out of my pocket and demanded me to delete the photo i took (it was a crap photo in fairnesss).
Anyway a garda was called and i deleted the photo in his presence but wanted to make a complaint. He was like ya make a formal complaint yadayadayda etc. He was like go home and forget about it.

So what leg do i have to stand on. The bouncers say you are not allowed to take a photo of someone you dont have permission from(hard to believe in fairnesss!!!) Do they have to show ID tags. Are they obliged to show them or tell them to you. Im going to the pub owner about this and taking legal action if must be. Sick **** of people laws applying for one set of people but not others.

I dont care about the jumper but i was pinned down like a criminal in the middle of town and my personal possessions taken out of my pockets without my consent which i know is illiegal. This is ireland not zimbabwe!!!

Opinions??

u were probably wearing ur county jersey drunk & acting like a dumb red neck falling into everyone

Fair play to the bouncer if u had of took a photo of me & i would have battered ya.

Gillie · 12-07-2008 10:55AM

No you don't have the right to take their photo.

Something kinda similiar happened me although not with Bouncers. Some nimrod tried to take my photo as their was a dispute over whether I was trespassing on his land or not.
Long story but basically "his land" is on a public beach.

Anyway he tried to take my photo and I wasn't having any of it.

I gotta ask though why did you want their id numbers? Seems like their is more to this?

Dudess · 12-07-2008 10:57AM

nevaeh-2die-4 wrote: »

u were probably wearing ur county jersey drunk & acting like a dumb red neck falling into everyone

Fair play to the bouncer if u had of took a photo of me & i would have battered ya.

No textspeak - read the charter. And no need for the aggression of the last sentence.

c0rk3r · 12-07-2008 11:04AM

Reminds me of the weathercheck thread except less dramatic. You must of been pretty smashed to get kicked out of the pub. Im talking staggering all over the place annoying everyone you bumped into.It was only 12:30! No doubt you came back and again annoyed the bouncers with your drunken incoherent ramblings.

The bouncers told you to piss off. The garda fobbed you off. Now boardies have no sympathy for you. Drink less and stop being a tool

Steve · 12-07-2008 11:07AM

And the moral of the story is........

Don't wear jumpers to the pub.

Genghiz Cohen · 12-07-2008 11:14AM

SteveC wrote: »

And the moral of the story is........

Don't wear jumpers to the pub.

And then tell the entire intarnets about how you got your ass kicked.

jank · 12-07-2008 11:16AM

After Hours! You gotta love it.
Nothing more to this story then what i told.

Dont care about the jumper. Yea i had drink, but was still able to get into other places so cant be that bad!. The thing that annoyes me is the manhandling for no reason whatso ever. I dont throw a punch, i did not use language against anyone i just asked for an ID number. I thought that all bouncers were obliged to show that now no?
I may have been wrong to take a photo but it gives them no right whatsoever to pin me down and search my pockets. That I know is illegal.
i just want to know about the Bouncer ID thing.
And ill leave all this alone

Steve · 12-07-2008 11:21AM

I've never heard of them having to give out ID, not that I'd know much about it either.

Why did you want it? What good would it have done?

Dragan · 12-07-2008 11:25AM

jank wrote: »

After Hours! You gotta love it.
Nothing more to this story then what i told.

Dont care about the jumper. Yea i had drink, but was still able to get into other places so cant be that bad!. The thing that annoyes me is the manhandling for no reason whatso ever. I dont throw a punch, i did not use language against anyone i just asked for an ID number. I thought that all bouncers were obliged to show that now no?
I may have been wrong to take a photo but it gives them no right whatsoever to pin me down and search my pockets. That I know is illegal.
i just want to know about the Bouncer ID thing.
And ill leave all this alone

To be honest you handled the situation like a moron, plain and simple.

You got in to have a look for your jumper, why did you need the doormens ID numbers?

They should have their badges on display, and should have no real issue giving you there ID numbers either. Incidents books and video camera would have been enough to cover anything that goes on in the pub.

Taking there photo was an idiot move. Having threats made against you and your family is a common enough occurrance on a door so you taking their photo was, once again, an idiot move.

If you would like to make a formal complaint then contact the PSA about the pub in question and let them know about, don't act like a plank because of booze.

It never fails to amaze me that half the time people are giving out about doormen they have walked themselves into the situation.

At the end of the day, as the Gardai was inclined to make you delete the picture and didn't call the doormen on what they were doing i am going to assume there is more to this story than you are implying.

Either way, learn the best way to deal with things that protect your rights as a punter and less of the foolishness. You'll get a lot further with it.

Dragan · 12-07-2008 11:26AM

SteveC wrote: »

I've never heard of them having to give out ID, not that I'd know much about it either.

Why did you want it? What good would it have done?

Not ID, an ID number registered with the PSA. If you want to work doors you need a license and an ID number which can be giving to foolish drunken punters who want to make a complaint about you.

nevaeh-2die-4 · 12-07-2008 11:30AM

Dudess wrote: »

No textspeak - read the charter. And no need for the aggression of the last sentence.

No tex speek? Y? iz coz i iz blK?

ya can read kant ya, so whatz da prblem.

stop tnink ya r important.

da aggression, i waz buzzn wit da chap.

ya dnt strt a sentence wit da wrd AND....

peace

Dudess · 12-07-2008 11:33AM

IT SAYS IT IN THE CHARTER WHICH WAS NOT MADE UP BY ME

PLEASE DON'T ARGUE WITH A MODERATOR ABOUT THEIR DECISION ON-THREAD - DO IT VIA PERSONAL MESSAGE, FEEDBACK OR HELPDESK

DON'T USE TEXTSPEAK AGAIN AFTER YOU WERE ASKED NOT TO

STOP ACTING LIKE A CHILD

Jeez...

Oh and you can start a sentence with the word "and". I know your grammar and punctuation is utterly magnificent (you should edit the forthcoming edition of Eats, Shoots and Leaves) but I'm gonna have to correct you on that one.

Holsten · 12-07-2008 11:34AM

Take the advice of the Garda, forget about it.

Gillie · 12-07-2008 11:34AM

nevaeh-2die-4 wrote: »

No tex speek? Y? iz coz i iz blK?

ya can read kant ya, so whatz da prblem.

stop tnink ya r important.

da aggression, i waz buzzn wit da chap.

ya dnt strt a sentence wit da wrd AND....

peace

It's against the charter!

nevaeh-2die-4 · 12-07-2008 11:37AM

Are you a mod Gillie??? No

then mind your own business

Dragan · 12-07-2008 11:38AM

nevaeh-2die-4 wrote: »

No tex speek? Y? iz coz i iz blK?

As many posts as you have and you can't read a ****ing charter.:rolleyes:

nevaeh-2die-4 · 12-07-2008 11:38AM

Dudess wrote: »

Oh and you can start a sentence with the word "and". I know your grammar and punctuation is utterly magnificent (you should edit the forthcoming edition of Eats, Shoots and Leaves) but I'm gonna have to correct you on that one.

ha ha

nevaeh-2die-4 · 12-07-2008 11:44AM

Dragan wrote: »

As many posts as you have and you can't read a ****ing charter.:rolleyes:

As a mod there is no need for the aggression with the use of bad language

Dudess · 12-07-2008 11:45AM

Ok, cool. Best to bring it back on topic.

Steve · 12-07-2008 11:52AM

Dragan wrote: »

Not ID, an ID number registered with the PSA. If you want to work doors you need a license and an ID number which can be giving to foolish drunken punters who want to make a complaint about you.

Thanks, learn something every day...

Looked up the PSA, lots of info here

b0bsquish · 12-07-2008 11:55AM

Dancing in the disco, oh no, oh no.
Dancing in the disco, bumper to bumper,
Wait a minute, where's me jumper ?

Dudess · 12-07-2008 12:02PM

LOL

Mossy Monk · 12-07-2008 12:04PM

b0bsquish wrote: »

Dancing in the disco, oh no, oh no.
Dancing in the disco, bumper to bumper,
Wait a minute, where's me jumper ?

I wondered as I read this thread if anybody would make a reference to that song. Thank you.

jank · 12-07-2008 01:06PM

OK thanks for that.
There is no more or less to the story then what i have told. Any cctv will back it up.
The garda just wanted me home out of the way which i understand. Im not a fool thinking that these guys will be up in court but what they did was wrong and not called for.

If i took a photo of them and if that was wrong/stupid/illegal then i appologise for that and know not to do it again. Said this last night.
However what they did was illeagal.

I wanted their ID number because i had a grevince with them. They did leave me in to have a look in the pub after 40 minutes waiting. The chances of me finding my jumper would have been a lot higher if they let me in sooner. I was pi$$ed of at that. Grand my fault at the end of the day i should have maybe put it in the cloak room at the start of the night but the fact they they let in about 20 other people to look for friends, coats etc when i was standing there gave me the impression that they were just waiting for me to lose patience and go home without my jumper.

Just out of the shower and have 2 nice big bruises on my arms thanks to these... eh "doormen".

Ill make my complaint but i dont expect much to become of it. If they just gave me some bull$**** ID number i would have made nothing of it this morning. I made no physical or verbal threats to them at all. As i said the actual photo was of a wall or something. It was just a big blur but thats not either here or there.

Class song by the way saw them live when i was 17!:pac:

jank · 12-07-2008 01:14PM

Look like only a garda has the right to ask for an ID number.
http://www.psa.gov.ie/psa/psa.nsf/the_private_security_services_act.pdf
page 25.
Doesnt say anything about having to wear it when providing a service.
But when worn must be visable not altered etc.

Seems the legislation of 2004 doesnt give clear answers.
Ill have to go over it again.

Zzippy · 12-07-2008 01:38PM

jank wrote: »

:oOK tonight i got manhandelded by 3 bouncers.

Ill give you a description on what happened.

blah blah blah

Opinions??

Hehe, karma for trolling in the GAA forum! :pac:

Oh, and learn to spell!

Yet another bouncer thread!

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