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Yet another bouncer thread!

  • 12-07-2008 3:57am
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭


    :oOK tonight i got manhandelded by 3 bouncers.

    Ill give you a description on what happened.
    At about 12:30 i got kicked out of a well known cork pub. Didnt put up an fight just asked why and was told a coffee and a half hour later i would be ok to go back in. I had too much to drink and fair enough i went outside and meet up with a gang of mates in another club(no hastle what so ever to get in!)


    My jumper was inside the previous pub but i wasnt able to get it cause it wasnt in the cloackroom. So anyway i got out of the new place i was in and went back the place where my jumper was hoping to get it back.

    But of course they said wait 45 minutes before the place empties out. So like a fool i waited hoping for a kind hand where i could have a look for my jumper. Anyway about 35 minutes into the wait i got a look into the pub and no jumper to be found surprise surpise. My fault of course!!

    Anyway i asked the 2 bouncers at the door for their ID tag numbers but the refused to give them. So i took a picture of them. They ran after me and pinned me up against a wall where they then took a phone out of my pocket and demanded me to delete the photo i took (it was a crap photo in fairnesss).
    Anyway a garda was called and i deleted the photo in his presence but wanted to make a complaint. He was like ya make a formal complaint yadayadayda etc. He was like go home and forget about it.

    So what leg do i have to stand on. The bouncers say you are not allowed to take a photo of someone you dont have permission from(hard to believe in fairnesss!!!) Do they have to show ID tags. Are they obliged to show them or tell them to you. Im going to the pub owner about this and taking legal action if must be. Sick **** of people laws applying for one set of people but not others.

    I dont care about the jumper but i was pinned down like a criminal in the middle of town and my personal possessions taken out of my pockets without my consent which i know is illiegal. This is ireland not zimbabwe!!!

    Opinions??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭cHaTbOx


    jank wrote: »
    Ill give you a description on what happened.
    Please Don't


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    My opinion is to not drink so much. You brought it on yourself at the end of the day. Yeah, they were dicks, but all bouncers are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭cHaTbOx


    all bouncers are.

    Not all are , just some are like a dog with a bone when they have power.
    I would never get pinned up against a wall though and take it smiling.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭TirEoghain


    I must be missing something?

    Why was it so important to get the ID of the bouncer. From my initial reading of the thread the bouncer had done nothing wrong prior to this, so there was no reason to want his ID let alone take a pic. Like a previous porter, I agree that less drink is the best answer. Good luck the next time you want to go in and look for your jumper. You'll be told to **** off and rightly so. Because of you, I'll probably get told to **** off if I ever need to go in and look for a jumper too, so thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭nevaeh-2die-4


    jank wrote: »
    :oOK tonight i got manhandelded by 3 bouncers.

    Ill give you a description on what happened.
    At about 12:30 i got kicked out of a well known cork pub. Didnt put up an fight just asked why and was told a coffee and a half hour later i would be ok to go back in. I had too much to drink and fair enough i went outside and meet up with a gang of mates in another club(no hastle what so ever to get in!)


    My jumper was inside the previous pub but i wasnt able to get it cause it wasnt in the cloackroom. So anyway i got out of the new place i was in and went back the place where my jumper was hoping to get it back.

    But of course they said wait 45 minutes before the place empties out. So like a fool i waited hoping for a kind hand where i could have a look for my jumper. Anyway about 35 minutes into the wait i got a look into the pub and no jumper to be found surprise surpise. My fault of course!!

    Anyway i asked the 2 bouncers at the door for their ID tag numbers but the refused to give them. So i took a picture of them. They ran after me and pinned me up against a wall where they then took a phone out of my pocket and demanded me to delete the photo i took (it was a crap photo in fairnesss).
    Anyway a garda was called and i deleted the photo in his presence but wanted to make a complaint. He was like ya make a formal complaint yadayadayda etc. He was like go home and forget about it.

    So what leg do i have to stand on. The bouncers say you are not allowed to take a photo of someone you dont have permission from(hard to believe in fairnesss!!!) Do they have to show ID tags. Are they obliged to show them or tell them to you. Im going to the pub owner about this and taking legal action if must be. Sick **** of people laws applying for one set of people but not others.

    I dont care about the jumper but i was pinned down like a criminal in the middle of town and my personal possessions taken out of my pockets without my consent which i know is illiegal. This is ireland not zimbabwe!!!

    Opinions??


    u were probably wearing ur county jersey drunk & acting like a dumb red neck falling into everyone

    Fair play to the bouncer if u had of took a photo of me & i would have battered ya.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭Gillie


    No you don't have the right to take their photo.

    Something kinda similiar happened me although not with Bouncers. Some nimrod tried to take my photo as their was a dispute over whether I was trespassing on his land or not.
    Long story but basically "his land" is on a public beach.

    Anyway he tried to take my photo and I wasn't having any of it.

    I gotta ask though why did you want their id numbers? Seems like their is more to this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    u were probably wearing ur county jersey drunk & acting like a dumb red neck falling into everyone

    Fair play to the bouncer if u had of took a photo of me & i would have battered ya.
    No textspeak - read the charter. And no need for the aggression of the last sentence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭c0rk3r


    Reminds me of the weathercheck thread except less dramatic. You must of been pretty smashed to get kicked out of the pub. Im talking staggering all over the place annoying everyone you bumped into.It was only 12:30! No doubt you came back and again annoyed the bouncers with your drunken incoherent ramblings.

    The bouncers told you to piss off. The garda fobbed you off. Now boardies have no sympathy for you. Drink less and stop being a tool


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    And the moral of the story is........



    Don't wear jumpers to the pub.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    SteveC wrote: »
    And the moral of the story is........



    Don't wear jumpers to the pub.

    And then tell the entire intarnets about how you got your ass kicked.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    After Hours! You gotta love it.
    Nothing more to this story then what i told.

    Dont care about the jumper. Yea i had drink, but was still able to get into other places so cant be that bad!. The thing that annoyes me is the manhandling for no reason whatso ever. I dont throw a punch, i did not use language against anyone i just asked for an ID number. I thought that all bouncers were obliged to show that now no?
    I may have been wrong to take a photo but it gives them no right whatsoever to pin me down and search my pockets. That I know is illegal.
    i just want to know about the Bouncer ID thing.
    And ill leave all this alone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    I've never heard of them having to give out ID, not that I'd know much about it either.

    Why did you want it? What good would it have done?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    jank wrote: »
    After Hours! You gotta love it.
    Nothing more to this story then what i told.

    Dont care about the jumper. Yea i had drink, but was still able to get into other places so cant be that bad!. The thing that annoyes me is the manhandling for no reason whatso ever. I dont throw a punch, i did not use language against anyone i just asked for an ID number. I thought that all bouncers were obliged to show that now no?
    I may have been wrong to take a photo but it gives them no right whatsoever to pin me down and search my pockets. That I know is illegal.
    i just want to know about the Bouncer ID thing.
    And ill leave all this alone

    To be honest you handled the situation like a moron, plain and simple.

    You got in to have a look for your jumper, why did you need the doormens ID numbers?

    They should have their badges on display, and should have no real issue giving you there ID numbers either. Incidents books and video camera would have been enough to cover anything that goes on in the pub.

    Taking there photo was an idiot move. Having threats made against you and your family is a common enough occurrance on a door so you taking their photo was, once again, an idiot move.

    If you would like to make a formal complaint then contact the PSA about the pub in question and let them know about, don't act like a plank because of booze.

    It never fails to amaze me that half the time people are giving out about doormen they have walked themselves into the situation.

    At the end of the day, as the Gardai was inclined to make you delete the picture and didn't call the doormen on what they were doing i am going to assume there is more to this story than you are implying.

    Either way, learn the best way to deal with things that protect your rights as a punter and less of the foolishness. You'll get a lot further with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    SteveC wrote: »
    I've never heard of them having to give out ID, not that I'd know much about it either.

    Why did you want it? What good would it have done?

    Not ID, an ID number registered with the PSA. If you want to work doors you need a license and an ID number which can be giving to foolish drunken punters who want to make a complaint about you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭nevaeh-2die-4


    Dudess wrote: »
    No textspeak - read the charter. And no need for the aggression of the last sentence.


    No tex speek? Y? iz coz i iz blK?

    ya can read kant ya, so whatz da prblem.

    stop tnink ya r important.

    da aggression, i waz buzzn wit da chap.

    ya dnt strt a sentence wit da wrd AND....

    peace


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    IT SAYS IT IN THE CHARTER WHICH WAS NOT MADE UP BY ME

    PLEASE DON'T ARGUE WITH A MODERATOR ABOUT THEIR DECISION ON-THREAD - DO IT VIA PERSONAL MESSAGE, FEEDBACK OR HELPDESK

    DON'T USE TEXTSPEAK AGAIN AFTER YOU WERE ASKED NOT TO

    STOP ACTING LIKE A CHILD

    Jeez...

    Oh and you can start a sentence with the word "and". I know your grammar and punctuation is utterly magnificent (you should edit the forthcoming edition of Eats, Shoots and Leaves) but I'm gonna have to correct you on that one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Take the advice of the Garda, forget about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭Gillie


    No tex speek? Y? iz coz i iz blK?

    ya can read kant ya, so whatz da prblem.

    stop tnink ya r important.

    da aggression, i waz buzzn wit da chap.

    ya dnt strt a sentence wit da wrd AND....

    peace

    It's against the charter!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭nevaeh-2die-4


    Are you a mod Gillie??? No

    then mind your own business


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    No tex speek? Y? iz coz i iz blK?

    As many posts as you have and you can't read a ****ing charter.:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭nevaeh-2die-4


    Dudess wrote: »



    Oh and you can start a sentence with the word "and". I know your grammar and punctuation is utterly magnificent (you should edit the forthcoming edition of Eats, Shoots and Leaves) but I'm gonna have to correct you on that one.

    ha ha


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭nevaeh-2die-4


    Dragan wrote: »
    As many posts as you have and you can't read a ****ing charter.:rolleyes:


    As a mod there is no need for the aggression with the use of bad language


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Ok, cool. Best to bring it back on topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Dragan wrote: »
    Not ID, an ID number registered with the PSA. If you want to work doors you need a license and an ID number which can be giving to foolish drunken punters who want to make a complaint about you.

    Thanks, learn something every day...

    Looked up the PSA, lots of info here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭b0bsquish


    Dancing in the disco, oh no, oh no.
    Dancing in the disco, bumper to bumper,
    Wait a minute, where's me jumper ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    LOL :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    b0bsquish wrote: »
    Dancing in the disco, oh no, oh no.
    Dancing in the disco, bumper to bumper,
    Wait a minute, where's me jumper ?

    I wondered as I read this thread if anybody would make a reference to that song. Thank you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    OK thanks for that.
    There is no more or less to the story then what i have told. Any cctv will back it up.
    The garda just wanted me home out of the way which i understand. Im not a fool thinking that these guys will be up in court but what they did was wrong and not called for.

    If i took a photo of them and if that was wrong/stupid/illegal then i appologise for that and know not to do it again. Said this last night.
    However what they did was illeagal.

    I wanted their ID number because i had a grevince with them. They did leave me in to have a look in the pub after 40 minutes waiting. The chances of me finding my jumper would have been a lot higher if they let me in sooner. I was pi$$ed of at that. Grand my fault at the end of the day i should have maybe put it in the cloak room at the start of the night but the fact they they let in about 20 other people to look for friends, coats etc when i was standing there gave me the impression that they were just waiting for me to lose patience and go home without my jumper.


    Just out of the shower and have 2 nice big bruises on my arms thanks to these... eh "doormen".

    Ill make my complaint but i dont expect much to become of it. If they just gave me some bull$**** ID number i would have made nothing of it this morning. I made no physical or verbal threats to them at all. As i said the actual photo was of a wall or something. It was just a big blur but thats not either here or there.

    Class song by the way saw them live when i was 17!:pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Look like only a garda has the right to ask for an ID number.
    http://www.psa.gov.ie/psa/psa.nsf/the_private_security_services_act.pdf
    page 25.
    Doesnt say anything about having to wear it when providing a service.
    But when worn must be visable not altered etc.

    Seems the legislation of 2004 doesnt give clear answers.
    Ill have to go over it again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    jank wrote: »
    :oOK tonight i got manhandelded by 3 bouncers.

    Ill give you a description on what happened.

    blah blah blah

    Opinions??


    Hehe, karma for trolling in the GAA forum! :pac:

    Oh, and learn to spell!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭connundrum


    jank wrote: »
    I wanted their ID number because i had a grevince with them. They did leave me in to have a look in the pub after 40 minutes waiting. The chances of me finding my jumper would have been a lot higher if they let me in sooner. I was pi$$ed of at that. Grand my fault at the end of the day i should have maybe put it in the cloak room at the start of the night but the fact they they let in about 20 other people to look for friends, coats etc when i was standing there gave me the impression that they were just waiting for me to lose patience and go home without my jumper.

    None of the other 20 people were removed from the pub earlier due to intoxication, which is why they probably were let wander back in.

    Take it on the chin, don't bring a jumper, don't drink too much and keep your camera phone in your pocket. Lesson learned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Gone West


    Dude, you were drunk. they werent.
    Hard to believe that 3 sober guys who do that for a living all were in the wrong, when the other side of the argument is one drunk guy who had just gotten thrown out of their pub!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    biting lip....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Hehe, karma for trolling in the GAA forum! :pac:

    Oh, and learn to spell!

    Should see what he is like on the Soccer forum ;)

    Can't imagine what he would be like in person :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭longshanks


    FuzzyLogic wrote: »
    Dude, you were drunk. they werent.
    Hard to believe that 3 sober guys who do that for a living all were in the wrong, when the other side of the argument is one drunk guy who had just gotten thrown out of their pub!

    thats a bit naive in fairness. being drunk doesn't automatically put you at fault. just the same as being on a door doesn't always mean you're a well behaved, tolerant and fair minded individual. and when one doorman makes a move all the other doormen automatically back him up, no questions asked. in that job thats the way it has to be, but it can lead to situations.
    seems to me like everyone involved is at some fault here


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Gone West


    longshanks wrote: »
    being drunk doesn't automatically put you at fault.
    I agree, but chances are that the drunk guy who wasn't thrown out of the pub for no reason was at fault, as opposed to three sober people.

    Maybe the bouncers were out of line, but a complaint will go nowhere, really. The gardai will side with the bouncers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Dunno why you needed the numbers of the bouncers. I think you should stop whinging and take your beating.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Phototoxin


    firstly making someone delete a photo is classed as assault. second if you're in a public place then there should be no issue with taking photos.
    3rd they arent the police they have no right to assault you.

    i dont know about asking for numbers but it seems like throwing weight around to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Going by the OP's account of the whole situation it reads to me as though the security staff were more than resonable, in fact it sounds as though they went out of their way to accommodate the OP in getting his jumper back.

    Most security staff would have told the OP to come back the next day for his jumper, after all they do have better things to do than pamper a drunk. But, they were good guys and went that extra yard.

    OP I think you were lucky that the cop didn't arrest you for causing a public order offence.

    As regards the photo, OP someday (when you grow and mature a little) you'll realise the folly of such an action.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,363 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Must have been a nice jumper.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭PrivateEye


    "How're ya son"

    "Having a good night...."

    "Had a few drinks?"

    "They your mates there behind ya..."

    "You feeling well son..."


    Remember the first time I went out with a mate who'd just turned 18. Thought they actually gave a damn about what kind of day he had, chatting away to the lads on the door :rolleyes: I've never been turned down from a nightclub, the one time I was turned away from a pub (which I knew was owned by a local wouldbe Fianna Fail TD) I talked my way in by pretending to be Ogra Fianna Fail and playing up makey uppy family connections. The joys of being a politico.

    Don't mess with bouncers. I've seen them make absolute SH!TE of people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭truecrippler


    Nice bouncer thread OP, very successful. :cool:

    You were kicked out for being drunk,so obviously you were disturbing people in the club and it's one of the bouncers duties to keep the peace during business hours.

    Fair enough, the bouncers shouldn't have 'assaulted' you but you took their picture which possibly offended them somehow.

    Moral of the story: Buy 2 of the same jumper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,087 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Phototoxin wrote: »
    3rd they arent the police they have no right to assault you.
    So, the police do? OK. :eek:

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭Gillie


    Are you a mod Gillie??? No

    then mind your own business

    No i'm not a mod! Are you 14? Why can't you use proper English?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Package


    ok, i have a serious dislike for bouncers. but i wont go into the millions stories. instead, ill use the latest one..

    i stay away from town, for the simple fact of the old "not tongiht" ****e and the "now **** off" attitude used by most of the morons they put holding up doors in town.

    long story short

    after a gig a couple of weeks ago, got 2 taxis from the national stadium, me and friends in the 1st, brother and friend in the second. we arranged to meet at the porterhouse central. we got in, even though ive never been there before. my brother, who is "normal" looking got stopped. when i asked the dorrman why. he said its because he didnt know my brother. to which i replied, "you dont know me, and you still let me in" . now what type of reason to refuse someone is " idont know you" . everyone in the club is close personal friends huh?

    anyway, i went in,, took my rfiends, and we had a fantastic night in bruxelles. moral? dont drink in clubs with muppets on the door and town will be a better place to socialise


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    This issue has been resolved more or less.

    Called into this place yesterday and talked to a manager. I wanted to air my grievance and that i did. Manager in charge actually said that the person in charge last night wanted to talk to me. I called in again later to meet said manager.

    I discussed my version of events which in general matched theirs without placing too much empahsise on things like every word said and i was grabed from the front not behind etc. They said nobody was left in after 2:00. This was obviously a lie but lets not go there. They tried to undermine my story like i was sober you had drink, CCTV, audio can prove it etc. I had nothing to hide whatsoever and i know what happened. Manager was very defensive at the start but calmed down later especially when bruises were shown.

    Anyway the big issue with them was the photo and the security issue of it. I understood that completely and appologised for this. I did not know that this was illegal (im still unsure if this is or not.) They have a policy and a precendant to follow and fair enough they will keep following it.

    I told them that i felt that i was handled overly agressively. Showed them said bruises on arm and shoulder. Manager accepted one of them as being caused by them denied the other even though one can clearly make out 3 fingers on the bruise. Anyway they accepted they may have been over agressive and appologised. Also stated that I was unhappy about an item taken from my pocket without my consent and not in the presense of a garda. I made it known that this was not on, WAS illeagal no matter what!!.
    If this type of thing was common it could open up a huge can of worms like illegal substances being planted on someone for example. This was accepted and they appologised for that. I said i was sorry for having too much drink and annoying ye last night and this was accepted. We shook hands and that was that.

    I put my hand up and accepted my share of the blame and so did they.
    The matter is over IMO. Im sure othters would have made nothing out of this and others would be threatning court action etc. I took the middle road and just talked to them.

    What is important to note is that i did not act aggressively (nor was accused of it) either verbally or physically. It was suggested that my presence being there may have been deemed agressive but thats not here nor there and can be open to interpretation.
    I was not a danger to myself or to others. If i was i would have been arrested by the garda's that arrived shortly. They told me go home, walk away i wasnt happy but i did. What i think happened then is that the garda may have told them off on what happened re illeagal search.
    Manager wanted to meet me to clear the air, nip any issues in the bud and that we did.

    You can read into this story all you want. Just another bouncer thread as the title suggests. Im sure there will be another one along shortly.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭padi89


    Fair play Jank at least you had the balls to followed it up.


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