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suspectdevice wrote: »

but, in essence, what you are saying is that wtc 7 dropped because of damaged incurred in the collapse of wtc 1 or 2, just straight went and dropped because of the collapse of the other buildings.

even though there was another building right between them.

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suspectdevice wrote: »

theres a serious amount of people out there with unjoined dots in their head.

theres a fair few on here who have joined them wrong if they believe that the american administration did not know about 911 before it happened, didn't appreciate the extent of it, made sure it was alllowed to happen and even before it happened decided how to use it to their benefit

bonkey wrote: »

Thats nice rhetoric. If you had more than rhetoric and the suggested significance of an 8-storey building lying between a 47-storey and a 110-storey one, you'd be getting somewhere.

suspectdevice wrote: »

i'm just trying to get past the building thing.

for me, its still of no consequence.

bonkey wrote:

NIST don't say that WTC was engulfed in flames...and NIST are responsible for the official findings.

Pixel8 wrote: »

Good stuff, well then its just a few pieces of debris which caused a little bit of structural damage and fires on 3 floors that caused WTC7 to come down like a controlled demolition? Please...

It came down the *same* way as WTC1 and WTC2,

Money is the root of their power. Without it, they are naked. They can hire mercenaries as long as they have gold to offer.

The "painful truth" refers to a human weakness. If I had told you that 2.3 Trillion dollars was stolen from the US government's most powerful and crucial to our defense entity by government insiders, it would hurt. You would not believe me and say that it is a conspiracy theory. Luckily I did not tell you.


The Pentagon comptroller Dov Zakheim "oversaw it" and Rumsfeld told you because he felt he had to tell you. He would rather not have told you. Who made him tell you? Not Dov Zakheim. It was a team of Pentagon auditors and whistleblowers working in the Naval Intelligence wing at the Pentagon.


It hurt to hear about it, if you even heard about it. It was not as big a story as Monica Lewisky or O.J. or Mike Vick of course. It did not hurt as much to hear about O.J. You do not have to alter how you view the world after hearing about Lewinsky. But if you heard about the lost Trillions you had to decide an answer to a very tough question.


So most decide it was not stolen, it was misplaced. Then many point out that Republicans were MORE responsible. But the audit spanned the period 1999-2000. So many of you decide Democrats were MORE to blame. Then an audit covering 2000-2001 uncovered another missing Trillion dollars.


The "painful truth" that more money was "misplaced" by the military-industrial-congressional complex than spent on the entire Iraq war that killed 1 million people is a painful truth. Misplaced money does not dissappear though. To really lose track of that money, there would have to be a horrendous loss of investigative ability, especially banking, particularly the Securities and Exchange Commission and obviously the Naval Intelligence wing of the Pentagon.


The war that killed 1 million people is being run by most of those same people who have "misplaced" enough Trillions to pay for 3 more equally long and distracting wars. But on the other hand, if you can be distracted by something as trivial as the OJ Simpson trial, the thieves can just pocket the other Trillions as profit if they can distract you.


Dov Zakheim quit his Pentagon job after a missile slammed in to the Naval Intelligence wing of the Pentagon and the NYC HQ of the SEC was vaporized in building WTC7. Dov Zakheim is a dual citizen and went to work for an international corporation which is being purchased by the Carlyle group. He and Marvin Bush were each on the board of directers of firms which provided security at the WTC.


The "painful truth" refers to a human weakness.



"It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who having eyes seen not, and having ears hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth -- to know the worst and to provide for it.
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Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775

Mike Rudin wrote:

It is certainly true that on 9/11 the BBC broadcast that WTC7 had collapsed when it was still standing. Then the satellite transmission seemed to cut out mysteriously when the correspondent was still talking. Then Richard Porter admitted in his blog last year that the BBC had lost those key tapes of BBC World News output from the day.

So is that proof that we at the BBC are part of a huge sinister conspiracy or is there a simpler explanation?

The mystery of the missing tapes didn't last that long. One very experienced film librarian kindly agreed to have another look for us one night. There are more than a quarter of a million tapes just in the Fast Store basement at Television Centre. The next morning I got a call to say the tapes had been found. They'd just been put back on the wrong shelf - 2002 rather than 2001. Not so sinister after all.

What about the incorrect reporting of the collapse of Tower 7? Having talked to key eyewitnesses who were actually at Ground Zero that day it is clear that, as early as midday, the fire service feared that Tower 7 might collapse. This information then reached reporters on the scene and was eventually picked up by the international media.

The internet movie Loose Change has been viewed by more than 100 million people according to its makers and it asks this question in the latest film release: "Where did CNN and the BBC get their information especially considering the building was still standing directly behind their reporters?"

It turns out that the respected news agency Reuters picked up an incorrect report and passed it on. They have issued this statement:

"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."

I put this to the writer and director of Loose Change, Dylan Avery. I asked whether he believed the BBC was part of the conspiracy. Given the question his film had posed about the BBC I was surprised by Dylan's response: "Of course not, that's ludicrous. Why would the BBC be part of it?"

He added candidly: "I didn't really want to put that line in the movie."

And the reason the interview with the BBC correspondent, Jane Standley, ended so abruptly? The satellite feed had an electronic timer, which cut out at 1715 exactly.

The mystery of the missing tapes didn't last that long. One very experienced film librarian kindly agreed to have another look for us one night. There are more than a quarter of a million tapes just in the Fast Store basement at Television Centre. The next morning I got a call to say the tapes had been found. They'd just been put back on the wrong shelf - 2002 rather than 2001. Not so sinister after all.

Reply: I've just had a thought - there wouldn't have been anything on the 2002 shelf in 2001, if indeed, a 2002 shelf even existed.

Reply: The skill of organising so many hijackings is not with the Arab people. It is certainly a joint CIA-Mossad operation. Once agents are involved, there is no leak.

How did OBL manage to bring down building 7 ?

How did OBL manage to neutralise the entire war machinery of USA for almost 100 minutes when the aircrafts were criss-crossing the US airspace ?

How did OBL manage the 'put options' on AA and UA ?

When you take the surmise that it was a joint CIA-Mossad operation, things fit very well. No other explanation appears credible.

Wow this blog post really brought out the official story theorists. I would like to state again that anybody who uses the word conspiracy theory as a derogatory term really needs to get their head checked. Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism.

it is very possible that wt7 may have eventually collapsed from fire, i don't think any alternative theorists dispute this. But it would have collapsed in an asymmetrical way and probably only partially (these are basic laws of physics, which for some reason don't apply to official theorists)

People have to realise that the official theory is just that A THEORY. No scientific facts have yet to surface in anyway from the official theorists, yet countless journals from scientists and engineers showing science in action are flooding the alternative theorists. This is why we, the critical thinkers are asking questions rather than towing the offical line.

Its even got to a laughable position where the alternative theory's are being debunked by blatantly propaganda sites. Do you really want to believe a website like JOD9/11 that has an advisory board with a man called "shagster" on it? then go straight ahead.

The upcoming WT7 report has a segment that states that just before collapse a fireball shot out of all the windows. Apparently according to nist there is no logical reason for this. well i have one crazy theory for you, but i don't think you want to hear it.

also anyone who thinks a conspiracy of this magnitude takes anymore that 10 people is living in an alternative reality. Have none of you heard of a thing called a "lie" its what people use to manipulate subordinates.

I really cant see the use of arguing with defenders of the official theory anymore. they are faceless entities who for all we know could be the same sweaty geek typing under different names. Instead of defending their official facts (of which there are none) they attack the theory of others. which is exactly what a conspiracy theorist does.

But hey, peak oil just hit and before long they will be living in run down city's fighting over copper wiring with the rest of us wondering what happened. we shall smile and pat them on the head and tell them about the history they hid from themselves for so long, invite them back to our sustainable communitys and all be friends again.