global warming my h*le

turgon · 04-07-2008 11:04PM

Marcus.Aurelius wrote: »

SUVs

SUV's are for the past. Hummers are the future.

Marcus.Aurelius · 04-07-2008 11:07PM

turgon wrote: »

SUV's are for the past. Hummers are the future.

/Slaps face

How could I be so blind! Thank you brother turgon for turning me to the light!

GrumPy · 04-07-2008 11:09PM

RobAMerc wrote: »

if it was warm they'd tell us it was because of GW - is raining we're told its coz of GW.

GW is a very powerful AI, I wouldn't second guess it....

Where did I leave my coat?

Thrill · 04-07-2008 11:43PM

global warming my h*le

Tell me, exactly how warm has it made your h*le?

andrew · 05-07-2008 01:24AM

zomg conspiracy! Global warming is nothing but a sinister plot perpetuated by rich capitalists so that they can further strengthen their grip on humanity! Tell everyone you know! Facists! Hitler! Evil!

Ivan · 05-07-2008 02:13AM

Yeah, Global Warming is all a giant hoax... all those giant fúcking iceshelves, breaking off and melting into the seas on the other hand...

And you "Global Warming nay-sayers" are guilty of some bending crap too, when people point out continuous rain in the summertime as a sign of climate change, we get "sure this is Ireland, what did you expect?". Uhmm, I expect the weather we got today, for the majority or near majority of the summer, like we used to have when I was growing up...

But what the hell, my boat is ready. Had to sacrifice a few tinfoil hats to make it, but you guys didnt really need them anyways so what the hell...

andrew · 05-07-2008 02:35AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/why-canada-is-the-best-haven-from-climate-change-860001.html

Don't worry lads, we'll be grand. All we need do is build a large perimeter fence.

Jimkel · 05-07-2008 02:45AM

Ivan wrote: »

Yeah, Global Warming is all a giant hoax... all those giant fúcking iceshelves, breaking off and melting into the seas on the other hand..

Ice breaks off when the Ice is expanding, not melting. sorry:eek:

If anyones in doubt it's a hoax, please read http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html
Now it's a real science article written by real independant scientists, and please don't comment on me if you have not read the article, I am not an internet anarchist trying to undermine anyones beliefs or fears, I am trying to spread a little light on the issue so people will not worry about things that do not exist.

And before I get accused I am NOT a conspiracy theorist, I am a down to Earth guy who uses allot of chemistry in work, and have a decent grasp of science and an even better grasp of common sense.

Jimkel · 05-07-2008 03:00AM

ICE CAPS ARE GROWING
..At least It's highly evident that they are.
Don't believe me...Ask NASA

http://www.nasa.gov/lb/vision/earth/environment/sea_ice.html

Ivan · 05-07-2008 03:02AM

Oh right, my bad. I was sick that day the teacher told us that melting ice magically reverts to frozen ice again. And of course the holes in the ozone layer is just a hoax. Or is it an unverified scientific claim? No wait - I get it; its a natural progression of the planet and humanity has had no affect on it either way?

My interpretation of a 50 degree global temperature increase since roughly the begining of the industrial age is incorrect because I'm not a "real science person" nor a "real independant scientist". Also, the unquestionable drop in global average temperature of 12/9/2001, (the day after September 11th when the majority of American planes were grounded) is almost certainly unrelated because an independant science website believes we are reacting too agressively to climate change.

And no, I wont bother including my sources. No I dont really care if you believe my quoted numbers since I have no citations. Yes I am aware this isnt wikipedia. No, I didnt bring up nazis...

Ivan · 05-07-2008 03:06AM

Nasa wrote:

Sea Ice May Be on Increase in the Antarctic: A Phenomenon Due to a Lot of 'Hot Air'?

Jimkel wrote: »

ICE CAPS ARE GROWING
..At least It's highly evident that they are.
Don't believe me...Ask NASA

http://www.nasa.gov/lb/vision/earth/environment/sea_ice.html

Key point is in bold. And yes, the planet may be readjusting itself to our stumbling about in the proverbial dark here. We just dont know. Up until a few years ago, America officially didnt acknowledge that there was any Climate change going on. Natural or otherwise. Research is needed, millions of dollars is required for this research. But at the rate we are going, by the time we've gotten the money for these investigations it may be too late. So you'll have to forgive us, if some people have decided to skip (or shorten) the middle step and just assumed the worst...

mthd · 05-07-2008 03:07AM

Marcus.Aurelius wrote: »

gas guzzling

does this phrase annoy anyone else or is it just me?

ITS ****ING PETROL

(or diesel)

Ivan · 05-07-2008 03:09AM

Its an American phrase. Its gasoline in America. You might as well get upset by Fall or "Football" or The "World Series" of baseball...

mthd · 05-07-2008 03:12AM

Ivan wrote: »

Its an American phrase. Its gasoline in America. You might as well get upset by Fall or "Football" or The "World Series" of baseball...

I would be annoyed if irish people started using those aswell

randylonghorn · 05-07-2008 03:12AM

Well, whether GW is natural or caused by man or (my personal suspicion) a combination of both, this summer so far is close enough to what I have heard "climate change" experts predict as the way Irish summers will go ...

and I'm sick of it!

Jimkel · 05-07-2008 03:33AM

Ivan wrote: »

Key point is in bold.

If you had read my first link in this thread you would see that they are growing.

Look I totally agree that as a species we are in the process of screwing everything up. And Yes the world has gone through a temp increase over the past century but since early this century it has begun to decline.

But instead of us focusing on bogus issues like "reducing our carbon footprint" we Should be focusing on the real issues at hand, Food crisis, Imminent Fuel shortage, I hate pollution but CO2 is not the issue, in fact the more CO2 we have in our atmosphere the better it is for life on this planet, especially plants which is a good thing considering the food crises. I never buy a plastic bag if I can help it and try to recycle as much as I can, I donate when I can to the 3rd world and I cycle everywhere. I do believe there is a problem and I am "green" aware. The real issues for me are overpopulation, World hunger, Fuel shortages and War not Carbon emmisions or the Earths natural cycle.

Does the fact that Mars is warming at the same rate as Earth tell you nothing?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming_2.html

CO2 does not cause global warming, the sun does. CO2 is called a Trace Element for a reason, there is very little of it and it is widely dispersed. In fact mankind accounts for only 2% of all CO2 produced in the world and because only some of of the suns spectrum are absorbed by this it cannot account for more then 8% of the Earths temperatures. Nature accounts for the rest of the CO2 emmisions, the other 98%, and as the sun heats the Earth CO2 levels Rise. CO2 comes off our Earth as heat radiates upwards. The reason why we detected rising CO2 over the past few decades is because the Earth is getting warmer, which as I said is caused by the sun and NOT the other way round.

Do you know that it is historical fact that there was a mini Iceage in the 17th century, and that before that the world was as hot as it is today? and that these are just natural cycles that have been around since this our solar system began, albeit in different extremes?

The Climates natural cycle is caused as the Earths poles change over the centurys, causing ice ages and warmer ages This is also effected by the suns cycles of iridescence. It is, in the long run unpredictable, uncontainable and unstoppable.

We are just unlucky/Lucky enough to be around when this cycle peaks and begins to fall, Science believes it peaked somewhere between the 1930's and the early 21st century and is currently cooling, Problem is that natural emmisions take a long time to catch up with the sun, so we're at the arkward stage of these cycles, many scientests see this petering out in the next 15 years or so to a cooler global climate and possibally a new ice age, maybe a minor one in the coming centurys.

As for the Ozone layer, of course I believe there is a hole, It has been proven. Good news is that the Ozone layer is on the mend, since CFC's and the like have not been used in a good portion of the world for some years now. Storms help replenish the Ozone layer and according to National Geographic and NASA the hole is beginning to shrink.

I am not getting at you, I just want to try add some balance from a different perspective, I don't like to see people becoming distressed when their is no need. There is little we can do to stop global warming, when the sun feels like giving us a break we will enter a cool cycle, in fact we may have already entered it. The reason why We have experienced so much rain these past 2 summers is because the biggest "greenhouse" gas, namely Water vapour is at a high, and what goes up must come down.

rossie1977 · 05-07-2008 01:47PM

don't cattle produce more co2 through farting than all of mankinds toys put together.

i read somewhere that cows are a major cause of things like acid rain, river and sea pollution, desertification and that it takes something like 1000 litres of water to produce one litre of milk :eek:

dr.bollocko · 05-07-2008 01:52PM

Did you hear that absolute moron on the Last word yesterday?
Matt Cooper schooled that vegetarian hippy douchebag.
With his moronic comments about how meat eating is causing climate change.
Go choke on some soy milk with your psuedo science you totally uninformed moron.
Pontificating to me about ****.
Goddamn moron.

rossie1977 · 05-07-2008 02:11PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Did you hear that absolute moron on the Last word yesterday?
Matt Cooper schooled that vegetarian hippy douchebag.
With his moronic comments about how meat eating is causing climate change.
Go choke on some soy milk with your psuedo science you totally uninformed moron.
Pontificating to me about ****.
Goddamn moron.

this is an interesting article, the UN agree with the hippy douchebag it seems http://maleist.blog.co.uk/2007/05/22/cow_farts_more_damaging_to_planet_than_c~2315470

dr.bollocko · 05-07-2008 02:15PM

That crap's been around for years.
The cmplexity of the (wrong) vegetarian argument relates to land usage for livestock vs. vegetation and the CO2 from agricultural production. It's a spurious load of nonsense endorsed by hippie lecturers.

BurnsCarpenter · 05-07-2008 02:40PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

That crap's been around for years.
The cmplexity of the (wrong) vegetarian argument relates to land usage for livestock vs. vegetation and the CO2 from agricultural production. It's a spurious load of nonsense endorsed by hippie lecturers.

How exactly is it wrong, though?
Meat production is obviously less efficient use of land and produces far more greenhouse gases, regardless of whether or not you think those are leading to climate change.

dr.bollocko · 05-07-2008 02:48PM

There is a huge amount of greenhouse gas production because of large scale vegetable production also. Crops can only be grown on a small percentage of the land that is used for livestock.

Andrewf20 · 05-07-2008 02:59PM

Im not bothered about the temperature, but the rain. Such a pain.

Too prove our summers can be a complete joke, check this out from Met Eireann, Dublin Airport region:

http://www.met.ie/climate/monthly-data.asp?Num=69

Last June / July = 126.4 / 127.1mm rain fall, almost double that any other month except August. Hilarious.

I went to Donegal in Jan for 2 days, and didnt see any rain. The parents went to Mayo last July for a hol and it rained for 4/6 days!

BurnsCarpenter · 05-07-2008 03:42PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

There is a huge amount of greenhouse gas production because of large scale vegetable production also.

But that's the issue with meat production - factory farming anyway - huge amounts of animal feed are required when it would be much more efficient to just grow the food for humans to eat.

dr.bollocko · 05-07-2008 03:53PM

We can't grow enough grain in Ireland to support our own population. We would have to increase our imports dramatically to get enough calories to feed us all.

Most Irish meat is pasture reared in any case rather than the factory farms you mention. We have the option not to buy these cheaper lower quality products.

Pasture fed meat is much healthier for you as well as being more efficient and carbon neutral than importing fruits, vegetables and grains. Grass fed meat is higher in omega 3 which we all know we need to eat more of.
Pasture fed cows produce less gas and any gas they do produce is offset by the growing of the grass that they eat.
Monoculture of crops sach as wheat and corn have led to large environmental disasters such as the dust bowl in the American Midwest and the decimation of the Aral Sea.

rossie1977 · 05-07-2008 04:06PM

we barely grow any crops in this country, only 0.03% of the land in ireland is used for growing crops, despite something like 17% of the land being arable

ART6 · 05-07-2008 04:58PM

Jimkel wrote: »

Does the fact that Mars is warming at the same rate as Earth tell you nothing?

rossie1977 wrote: »

don't cattle produce more co2 through farting than all of mankinds toys put together.

i read somewhere that cows are a major cause of things like acid rain, river and sea pollution, desertification and that it takes something like 1000 litres of water to produce one litre of milk :eek:

The fact that Mars is also warming tells me that the Martians are as bad as us with their gas guzzling cars:D, but I do appreciate your well thought out and well presented post. Will someone out there listen to reason?

Cows (and people) produce CO2 by breathing. Cows and all other ruminants also produce large quantities of methane by farting, and methane is many times more effective as a greenhouse gas that is CO2. In addition, while plants absorb CO2, they don't absorb methane. Thus ruminants have received a certain amount of the blame for global warming, although that seems to miss the point that long ago there were probably more ruminants than there are now -- the massive buffalo herds in America, for example.

HOWEVER -- I continue to be amazed that John Gormley and his bike have not yet latched on to the idea that if every cow were to be fitted with a regulating valve up it's a**se to collect the methane, we could lead the world in non-fossil electricity generation:rolleyes:

Fishyfreak · 05-07-2008 06:18PM

Some good posts, I have been of the same opinion that C02 , Global Warming, Climate Change etc etc is a crock of Shi£e.

The earth follows a natural cycle of climate change regardless of human intervention.

gerky · 05-07-2008 09:48PM

OMG I must show all the scientists in the world this thread, o how silly they'll feel having wasted their lives actually doing research instead of just starting a thread on a forum.:pac:

dr.bollocko · 06-07-2008 12:18AM

gerky wrote: »

OMG I must show all the scientists in the world this thread, o how silly they'll feel having wasted their lives actually doing research instead of just starting a thread on a forum.:pac:

Helpful.
:pac::pac::pac::D

global warming my h*le

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