Advice on B.Corp Law

sid4lev wrote: »

Well, C-J...., if you want to leave law school not ever having acquired knowledge of or conducted discussion of the fundamental rules of evidence, criminal issues and procedures be my guest...good luck fighting cases in the real world though...even if you are doing corporate.

All im saying is that for a full and complete law degree, you NEED to do the llb after the B.Corp.....if you disagree... ask the Dean...!

You have a real awakening coming when you start work. Everything you need to work as a solicitor you are taught in Blackhall. You will use very little of what you studied in college.

Anyhow, my issue is with the llb as offered by NUI,G, as I keep saying, waste of time.

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I outlined it earlier. It's a poorly structured course, and it is an issue to me that its poorly taught. I suppose if you aren't bothered about the academic merit of it, and you don't mind spending a year of your life enduring the sheer tedium of it, then it's an easy way to get more letters after your name. I'm like to think I've higher standards when it comes to doing a course rather than "more letters after name"

Re the Erasmus, yes I attended lectures in french law, and we had to pass an oral exam on the subjects, but that's fine.

Congrats on getting your first-thats excellent...well done..im hoping for same come june 25th-i am on a first so far from 6 law exams at xmas-here's hoping lucy-ann buckley will be a nicer marker this time around.
do you mind me asking if it was difficult to find a traineeship with a 1st degree-considering current economic climate etc...or have you found one/hoping to find one ?
back to llb....personally (and im surprised you dont feel similarly since you're a first class student) i think that all one can get out of a law lecture/legal study is what one puts in-ie-if you dont ask questions/participate in class/enjoy your study and modules you wont get much out of it....unless you can give me a different interpretation of 'badly conducted course' (like timetables-which for me is irrelevant) i honestly cant see what could be so bad about nuigs llb since most lecturers are the same as corp/civil law...so unless you can justify your description of the llb as a 'badly conducted course' with reasonable merit please dont tell me im wasting my time by planning to do it because ill be working (already am) my ass off all summer to save the 6500eur required to do the course...and yes it does give you a second set of letters after your name as well as extra subjects which will only benefit your cv and all in only one year. im sure you're an intelligent individual...so which do you think will look better on your application to any of the top 5 'Conor Gantly B.Corp. Law' (thats not my name...obviously) or 'Conor Gantly B.Corp. Law LLB'? it aint rocket science!! those letters represent enthusiasm and perhaps even passion as well as more extensive knowledge in other fields of the law. and i know what you're saying about black hall teaching you about your work as a solicitor but would you not agree that when striving for the top you must be familiar with as many fundamental and core principles of law as possible even if some of those are 'rarely applicable in practice'. after all solicitation is all about problem solving, be it in court or on paper-you know what im getting at.....(id explain but dont want to bore you...although i probably already have...should find something better to do with my time!!)

sorry for rambling on

as it happens i have a very good job which im just after starting WITHOUT the llb, and without the 'rude awakening' -starting wage of 55k. and WITHOUT my 'extra set of letters'.
This is all Im going to say on the matter, and I think it answers the initial question asked, to say that the B Corp Law is an excellent all round degree regardless of whether or not you waste a year studying two subjects which you could easily study yourself for Blackhall. Hope you choose NUIG for September!!

Do you have to count maths as one of your best subjects for this course ???

No not at all!
If you get 440+ from ANY SIX SUBJECTS than you can get in Brooke

xp90 wrote: »

So has anyone chosen this as their first choice for september?

Yes, I am. First choice and would be a real let down if I didn't get it, although I feel as if I did enough to get at least 450.

Hoping to do French or Italian also. Can't wait to start it!:D

xp90 wrote: »

Ah excellent, i cant see the points taking much of a jump to be honest, so 450 or slightly more should get you by easy. Had thought of taking spanish from the begining myself. doesnt seem to be much interest in the course in all fairness.

Interest, why do you think it's gone down so much? Is NUIG a poor Law school or something? or are people just not prepared to put in the work ie studying law cases, reports etc? However, I guess the whole stereotype of Law and boring go hand in hand and so it just doesn't appeal to undergraduates.

I think this course is gold, 450 points (not too difficult in comparison to other law courses) and you have so much more opportunities than Commerce and Corp Lawyers are in huge demand, the market is just crying out for them.
I think it's ironic considering Civil Law is in huge demand but there are so many Civil lawyers about that it's is next to impossible to attain employment.
It just baffles me as to why people are overlooking this course!!
any chance you have the course handbook? could you PM to me?

hi,

basically certain commerce subjects are mandatory; if my memory serves me correctly:

1st year: accounting and economics for 2 semesters each (and unless you're doing a language you have to do management information systems for 1 semester)
2nd year: business management, marketing, business finance for 1 semester each
3rd: business negotiations, HR management for 1 semester each

you can chose to do more/extra commerce subjects (in place of law subjects) in 2nd and 3rd years.
there are also some obligatory law subjects in all 3 years.

you dont have much choice in first year (just language or MIS)
a little bit of choice in second year
and LOADS in 3rd

hope this helps
any more questions just ask--im just finished the degree so its fresh in my mind--graduating in oct

xp90 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what reading material is required (Books etc.)?Thanks

No idea. (Just thought I'd get that bit out of the way ).

But I would advise you to wait until September. You won't be able to buy them easily before then and you don't want to look through your books too far in advance.
Law isn't easy and there's so much that you may get sick of it. It's perfectly manageable if you approach it calmly and consistently throughout the year instead of rushing ahead and running the risk of picking up something incorrectly.
I only know one guy in Law (it may be corporate but civil law also sounds probable and that's what he does. And he's doing pretty well, it has to be said.
Relax and enjoy your summer. You'll have plenty of time to get the books in September and read them throughout the year.

Btw, if I've misread the situation I'd like to plead* exhaustion and stupidity and ask for leniency.

*=Law joke. Yes, I do think I'm funny.

Yes!! 490, should I be safe!?:D

congrats!! you'll be safe-dont worry...
dont worry about buying books yet-you'll find out what to get from your lecturers
ps: dont rush into the course, take your time and learn the basics. Learn a personal method by which to study the law-everybody's different---only then go hardcore and study your ass off (if you so desire) otherwise you'll waste a lot of time trying to remember concepts your mind just wont adapt to, unless you have a method for remembering them (and no its not like trying to memorize history and geogrophy at school)to be honest, enjoy first year and certainly dont kill yourself studying -there will be plenty of time for that later-trust me(but dont doss altogether) -to do reasonably well just do the required reading per subject -- law books are very expensive (i spend €400-€500 per semester) you dont need to buy them all, especially in your first year as library has LOADS of books on tort and contract--unless you have nothing else to spend your money on and want to keep them for the future...in which case they are a good investment,,,good luck with the course...might c ya in library...lol!!! and congrats again

pedanticwretch wrote: »

495....sorted!



I will see ye all in the Law Library!!:):):):):)

there is no law library.