Advice on B.Corp Law

pedanticwretch

leninbenjamin wrote: »

there is no law library.

apologies, what is it so? a library with a Law section. Hugo Kelly is the Law Librarian after all..So I just presumed a Law Library would've been his place of work!?

leninbenjamin

pedanticwretch wrote: »

apologies, what is it so? a library with a Law section. Hugo Kelly is the Law Librarian after all..So I just presumed a Law Library would've been his place of work!?

yup. ground floor of the main library is effectively where the law heads reside. but anyone can come along and sit in there, it's not exclusively for law heads or anything, it's just where the books are. hence i find the term 'law library' misleading and get a bit pedantic about it.

pedanticwretch

leninbenjamin wrote: »

yup. ground floor of the main library is effectively where the law heads reside. but anyone can come along and sit in there, it's not exclusively for law heads or anything, it's just where the books are. hence i find the term 'law library' misleading and get a bit pedantic about it.

cool, either way I have a lot of work to do in there!


correction; You got a bit pedantic about it.:):):):)

sid4lev

take a step back mate...you havent even started the course yet but you seem like a bit of an egomaniac already -dont start thinking you're gods gift to earth just because you'll be studying law (most of us unforunately do and it serves to our detriment--just take a look at general public oponion of people in the legal profession!!!) ---chill!! and you wont have 'work' to do, its called 'study'..-2 different things--dont mix them up, because once you do you'll hit a brick wall

ps: in the context utilised by leninbenjamin, i reckon 'get' was the correct tense to use

xp90

So who all accepted a place?

ItsTheMan

Hey,, I accepted Corp Law last week..
looking forward to getting started..
does anyone know how hard Beginners Accounting will be...

also which is a better choice Legal German/ M.I.S.

Thanks for your help

xp90

Have they sent out any literature regarding timetables etc. yet?

linola_c

Hey all,

I am heading into final yr b corp. First yr accounting is tough, even for those who have it at honours leaving cert!Just keep with the lectures and go to a few tutorials - ul be grand!!!
If you aren't brilliant at a language i wouldn't do it!!Its takes up a lot of time and the course is hard enough as it is!!MIS is insanely boring, but if you learn the slides inside out and reiterate them in exam ull be fine!!I gt a first in it and only covered slides!Easy way to drag your average up!

As for timetable - surprised no one has mentioned this before. If you go to nuigalway website and click into faculties- go to law and click current students and timetables - it will give you the timetables for all law programmes!They don't change v much from year to year if at all!

One thing - in first yr you have no exams at xmas..well no big ones bar irish legal systems and a small one in accounting!Tort and contract are big enough courses so try to do something in 1st semester ie i mean just get your notes together so your not running around in sem2!!!

You will love galway - it's a fantasti city!Also b corp s a brilliant course.I worked ina solicitor's office all summer and they thought the outline of the course is very good and the commerce side definitely gives you an edge over the civils!

Still undecided as to whether i'll do LLB but here goes final yr!Enjoy freshers!

leninbenjamin

linola_c wrote: »

One thing - in first yr you have no exams at xmas..well no big ones bar irish legal systems and a small one in accounting!Tort and contract are big enough courses so try to do something in 1st semester ie i mean just get your notes together so your not running around in sem2!!!

has that not changed? i know it used be the case in Arts until last year. i thought everywhere had 1st year fully semesterized now?

xp90

Thanks for your reply, well they havent been updated on the site yet, but i presume last years timetable is an accurate enough guide?

linola_c

I thought that only applied to first arts but don't quote me on that!Yeh the 1st yr timetable rarely changes v much!

ColinGann

linola_c wrote: »

First yr accounting is tough, even for those who have it at honours leaving cert!

I did Acc for the LC got a B2 but I'm not great at it, are you allowed to do beginners even if you did it for the LC!?

Carsinian Thau

xp90 wrote: »

Thanks for your reply, well they havent been updated on the site yet, but i presume last years timetable is an accurate enough guide?

In terms of hours etc. it should be a close enough guide.

The build up of each day though could completely change. (And probably will).

xp90

Not lookin forward to accounting myself,even though i got a higher a1 in the leaving,but it has to be done i guess. Is there continuous assessment then in that case?

linola_c

Yeh there is continuous assessment - i think it makes around 25% - 30% which are based on MCQs. So it's an easy way to pick up marks - saved me!!You can go into either accounting a or accounting b. A for those who have studied accounting before and b for those who have not. You just register for either regardless!

english4490

ok 1st year it pretty well explained here, but what about after that/ how much law and business subjects do you do??? thanks!!

sid4lev

english4490 wrote: »

ok 1st year it pretty well explained here, but what about after that/ how much law and business subjects do you do??? thanks!!

2nd year: have to do business finance, marketing priciples and business organisation and mang. then there is commercial law,or company law, constitutional law, ec law. no choice.
3rd year: have to do business negotiations, legal ethics, ir & hr management, labour law 1 and 2....but then....you have topick 7 more subjects from a huge list...as many law or commerce as you would like...i did all law..IT law, IP law, international trade law, international business law, ADR, insurance law, banking law....but you can chose to do economics, more accounting, more marketing etc...
hope this helps

english4490

thanks that was the most help ive got about this course! so i take it your on it now or have done it??? did you like? find it was usefull for what you are/ will be doing???

sid4lev

yeh its a fantastic course purely because of the range of subjects from which one can chose and the lecturers that teach them...as regards it being useful...well i certainly hope so....i got a good 1st class honours (in the top 5% of my class) and will be applying to the top corporate firms in dublin in the next 2 weeks...so we'll see how useful it is...because corpoate law is what i want to do...will i get in in favour of civil law/arts people?....hopefully.....but its EXTREMELY competitive....so we'll see...

english4490 wrote: »

thanks that was the most help ive got about this course! so i take it your on it now or have done it??? did you like? find it was usefull for what you are/ will be doing???

english4490

sid4lev wrote: »

yeh its a fantastic course purely because of the range of subjects from which one can chose and the lecturers that teach them...as regards it being useful...well i certainly hope so....i got a good 1st class honours (in the top 5% of my class) and will be applying to the top corporate firms in dublin in the next 2 weeks...so we'll see how useful it is...because corpoate law is what i want to do...will i get in in favour of civil law/arts people?....hopefully.....but its EXTREMELY competitive....so we'll see...

thanks again, i think now i will be puttin coprporate law down as my first choice! sounds like a great course that you can really do what you want with regards to course struture in the last year but still structured enough thats it is not too broad in content that it would be disadvantage! best of luck with the jobs!!!
oh last question, the LLB??? ive heard very mixed reports!

sid4lev

english4490 wrote: »

thanks again, i think now i will be puttin coprporate law down as my first choice! sounds like a great course that you can really do what you want with regards to course struture in the last year but still structured enough thats it is not too broad in content that it would be disadvantage! best of luck with the jobs!!!
oh last question, the LLB??? ive heard very mixed reports!

i have to say you're very well informed for an LC stedent..seem to know exactly what you want-fair play...i hadnt a clue...wanted to do physics and astronomy..mam and dad made me do law....and im sooo glad they did...it IS what i actually want to do...
the llb...well...doing it at the mo. in galway...
here is a list of points:
Pros:
1) adds extra subjects to your CV-which shows that you're actually interested in the law
2) adds an extra set of letters after your name...thereby making you more employable,...at least in theory...a theory which i am soon to be putting to the test..!
3) gives you a grinding in Black Hall entrance exams-Land Law, Equity, Criminal Law...which you need to sit and pass to get into black hall place but which you CANNOT DO during B.Crop degree
4) all of the lecturers i have this semester are brilliant-Conor Hanley for Criminal and Tom O'Malley for Evidence in particular...this was not always the case during b.corp especially for the commerce subjects where the lecturers hate their jobs..(at least some of them...albeit the law lecturers were alway good..and some absolutely brilliant...: Dr Ademun Odeki-my hero!)
5) Do you really want to leave law school without studying, discussing/knowing anything about criminal law and the rules of evidence....even if you want to do corporate...its just not right...at least to my mind...because they're so interesting and fundamental that you'll really miss out on what the layman would call "The Law" by not doing them in university....also evidence WILL come in handy in corporate work.
6) you get to spend an extra year in college which is always a good thing!
7) exam-wise its waaaay easier than corp - this xmas il have just 3...last xmas i had 6!!
8) im sure im forgetting something else

Cons:
1) its very expensive: 6K - prepare to work very hard or get a loan
2) there are A LOT of arts/commerce students who all of a sudden decided they wanted to do law and become LLB students and upon discovering the purpose behind their lives cant stop asking retarded, illogical, vein questions....that really piss actual law students off! i hate the bastards!...its pretty funny though (mainly because ill be competing for jobs with them..and they'll have as much of a chance but half the degree as myself when it comes to the interview stage....whats the point behind the LC again???)
3) theoretically you can pass equity,land and criminal for black hall place without doing them in college. difficult but doable

i think thats a pretty fair analysis of the LLB-if anyone disagrees (apart from arts/commerce people!!!-joke) feel free to comment - A10 ECHR

do the maths

Hope this helps...gotta get back to study..

Disclaimer: Cons; para 2) is nothing personal..ask any corp law student and they'll tell you the same thing..:D

english4490

thanks again!!! you really have been more help than the book, lectuerers, career teachers etc etc all those people who are there to tell me waht to do with my life!!! i'd probably do the LLb, if im going to do law i may aswell do it all at once because ii'd probably not bother to go back later and do it, and as you say one more year in college no problem!! ok thanks again you have been so helpful!!! if ive anymore questions ill just ask!!!
thanks again!!

xp90

How is every1 finding the course??

Ardscoil Ris

I'm enjoying it. Boring at times, but I find it surprisingly easy. Too bad I'm lazy and won't study

Doing the 2nd year exams right now. So far so good. One "meh" one.

Foxx92

Im very interested in this course. Seems to be an enjoyable and rewarding one.
As regards future employment, would it be easy to find a job after? and do I need to do buisness in school(I do accountancy)?

Ardscoil Ris

Foxx92 wrote: »

Im very interested in this course. Seems to be an enjoyable and rewarding one.
As regards future employment, would it be easy to find a job after? and do I need to do buisness in school(I do accountancy)?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055384320

Cages

I wouldn't recommend Corporate Law. Being mid-way through the course, and having settled on completing it, I do have a lot of knowledge now that the course gave me, that I'm really grateful for. For instance, I don't know how anyone else, without insider learning, can understand the economic crisis. I'd never realised how exciting watching the news everyday and ripping through the financial times everyday to laugh at the stock markets and tut at the latest ponzi scheme scandal could be!!
That I'm grateful for. The knowledge. However, the experience has been soured by two things; just by comparing the fun everyone else is having, in their own courses, i.e. arts and science. I'm big into the college societies, just to keep me sane. Most of the class is totally bored with their course, money-obsessed, very boring themselves, and kinda immature. It's like still being in secondary school. Where are all the intellectuals? Where are all the adults?! I'm no better; I did this course just to get security on the other side of uni. But just look up boards.ie on the section for solicitors. They're all despairing at losing their jobs and saying how they regret doing the whole law thing in the first place. I've trawled through the net on this, looking for a shred of hope for future lawyers. But there's no stability at all from this degree, from the accounts of every blogging solicitor out there.
I am now reduced to searching for something I could do with my degree besides practicing law. But it's far too specialised, legal knowledge that it. There's possibly hope in journalism. Perhaps the business side then? Not unless you're very lucky and a very talented entrepreneur will be succeed in today's world.
It's a myth that a law degree will set you up with a nice steady salary, enough to have a mortgage and a car and even get a family going. This isn't just pessimism; this is from doing the research too late. Medicine is the only degree that really guarantees that. Unless you know exactly what you're doing and want this more than anything, you won't be strong enough to fight against the odds. Repeat; do the research. Google everything legal and law school related, e,g, nationallawjournal.com. Watching legally-blond doesn't count! Well, almost...
There's a reason why law is now seen as the new Arts degree, i.e. no guarantees of a job, you're let float out into sea as soon as you graduate. Be careful.

nycman

Cages wrote: »

I wouldn't recommend Corporate Law. Being mid-way through the course, and having settled on completing it, I do have a lot of knowledge now that the course gave me, that I'm really grateful for. For instance, I don't know how anyone else, without insider learning, can understand the economic crisis. I'd never realised how exciting watching the news everyday and ripping through the financial times everyday to laugh at the stock markets and tut at the latest ponzi scheme scandal could be!!
That I'm grateful for. The knowledge. However, the experience has been soured by two things; just by comparing the fun everyone else is having, in their own courses, i.e. arts and science. I'm big into the college societies, just to keep me sane. Most of the class is totally bored with their course, money-obsessed, very boring themselves, and kinda immature. It's like still being in secondary school. Where are all the intellectuals? Where are all the adults?! I'm no better; I did this course just to get security on the other side of uni. But just look up boards.ie on the section for solicitors. They're all despairing at losing their jobs and saying how they regret doing the whole law thing in the first place. I've trawled through the net on this, looking for a shred of hope for future lawyers. But there's no stability at all from this degree, from the accounts of every blogging solicitor out there.
I am now reduced to searching for something I could do with my degree besides practicing law. But it's far too specialised, legal knowledge that it. There's possibly hope in journalism. Perhaps the business side then? Not unless you're very lucky and a very talented entrepreneur will be succeed in today's world.
It's a myth that a law degree will set you up with a nice steady salary, enough to have a mortgage and a car and even get a family going. This isn't just pessimism; this is from doing the research too late. Medicine is the only degree that really guarantees that. Unless you know exactly what you're doing and want this more than anything, you won't be strong enough to fight against the odds. Repeat; do the research. Google everything legal and law school related, e,g, nationallawjournal.com. Watching legally-blond doesn't count! Well, almost...
There's a reason why law is now seen as the new Arts degree, i.e. no guarantees of a job, you're let float out into sea as soon as you graduate. Be careful.

Do you need a hug?

leninbenjamin

Cages wrote: »

I wouldn't recommend Corporate Law. Being mid-way through the course, and having settled on completing it, I do have a lot of knowledge now that the course gave me, that I'm really grateful for. For instance, I don't know how anyone else, without insider learning, can understand the economic crisis. I'd never realised how exciting watching the news everyday and ripping through the financial times everyday to laugh at the stock markets and tut at the latest ponzi scheme scandal could be!!
That I'm grateful for. The knowledge. However, the experience has been soured by two things; just by comparing the fun everyone else is having, in their own courses, i.e. arts and science. I'm big into the college societies, just to keep me sane. Most of the class is totally bored with their course, money-obsessed, very boring themselves, and kinda immature. It's like still being in secondary school. Where are all the intellectuals? Where are all the adults?! I'm no better; I did this course just to get security on the other side of uni. But just look up boards.ie on the section for solicitors. They're all despairing at losing their jobs and saying how they regret doing the whole law thing in the first place. I've trawled through the net on this, looking for a shred of hope for future lawyers. But there's no stability at all from this degree, from the accounts of every blogging solicitor out there.
I am now reduced to searching for something I could do with my degree besides practicing law. But it's far too specialised, legal knowledge that it. There's possibly hope in journalism. Perhaps the business side then? Not unless you're very lucky and a very talented entrepreneur will be succeed in today's world.
It's a myth that a law degree will set you up with a nice steady salary, enough to have a mortgage and a car and even get a family going. This isn't just pessimism; this is from doing the research too late. Medicine is the only degree that really guarantees that. Unless you know exactly what you're doing and want this more than anything, you won't be strong enough to fight against the odds. Repeat; do the research. Google everything legal and law school related, e,g, nationallawjournal.com. Watching legally-blond doesn't count! Well, almost...
There's a reason why law is now seen as the new Arts degree, i.e. no guarantees of a job, you're let float out into sea as soon as you graduate. Be careful.

and that, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of HOW NOT TO CHOOSE YOUR DEGREE. that post is such awful advice i feel like cringing...

as for yourself Cages... your midway through the course. that means another year and a half to complete it.then another year to do the LLB or a masters... there's so much time for the world economy to change in that period. For example, anyone who went in to do an IT course at the end of the dot com crash had loads of jobs to choose from when they came out, despite people like yourself telling them not to do it at that time.

you pick your course because it's what you like and what you're good at. end of.

sid4lev

Cages wrote: »

I wouldn't recommend Corporate Law. Being mid-way through the course, and having settled on completing it, I do have a lot of knowledge now that the course gave me, that I'm really grateful for. For instance, I don't know how anyone else, without insider learning, can understand the economic crisis. I'd never realised how exciting watching the news everyday and ripping through the financial times everyday to laugh at the stock markets and tut at the latest ponzi scheme scandal could be!!
That I'm grateful for. The knowledge. However, the experience has been soured by two things; just by comparing the fun everyone else is having, in their own courses, i.e. arts and science. I'm big into the college societies, just to keep me sane. Most of the class is totally bored with their course, money-obsessed, very boring themselves, and kinda immature. It's like still being in secondary school. Where are all the intellectuals? Where are all the adults?! I'm no better; I did this course just to get security on the other side of uni. But just look up boards.ie on the section for solicitors. They're all despairing at losing their jobs and saying how they regret doing the whole law thing in the first place. I've trawled through the net on this, looking for a shred of hope for future lawyers. But there's no stability at all from this degree, from the accounts of every blogging solicitor out there.
I am now reduced to searching for something I could do with my degree besides practicing law. But it's far too specialised, legal knowledge that it. There's possibly hope in journalism. Perhaps the business side then? Not unless you're very lucky and a very talented entrepreneur will be succeed in today's world.
It's a myth that a law degree will set you up with a nice steady salary, enough to have a mortgage and a car and even get a family going. This isn't just pessimism; this is from doing the research too late. Medicine is the only degree that really guarantees that. Unless you know exactly what you're doing and want this more than anything, you won't be strong enough to fight against the odds. Repeat; do the research. Google everything legal and law school related, e,g, nationallawjournal.com. Watching legally-blond doesn't count! Well, almost...
There's a reason why law is now seen as the new Arts degree, i.e. no guarantees of a job, you're let float out into sea as soon as you graduate. Be careful.

id have to completely agree with leninbejamin. the criteria you have used to assess the merits of the course are awful. i finished corp law last year, doing llb at the moment and i have NO regrets about doing the course, especially the final year, which i thought was excellent. the economy is very likely to have changed by the time you graduate and because of the large amounts of people dropping out of law currently, ie-those who cannot secure a traineeship at the moment, there is likely to be demand for fresh law grads when the economy picks itself up. stay optimistic, there is no better law degree in ireland out there, if you want to go into the corporate side of things. also, if, like me you want to become a solicitor bad enough, you'll get a job, even in the toughest of times!!