Looks humane.
Now, where are the out-takes where the guy with the crossbow missed? Those would be horriffic. There's a reason you normally do this sort of thing up close...

John Griffin wrote: »

Ivan is going to wet himself:D:D:D

+1 will he write a book or a one liner that won;t be topped

It appears to be real:
http://arrowds.com/catalog/gobblerguillotine125grain-p-30.html

Sure it's humane - when you hit the target. And wasn't it you in another thread on deer hunting less than an hour ago saying that sometimes when you do everything right, stuff just goes wrong anyway?
Wring the bird's neck or decapitate it properly, not with some gimmick like this ffs.

So you are now going to invent a new sport of hunting wild turkeys with your bare hands,one of the most artful game birds ????Love to see it in action ROTFLAMO.
Sorry forgot Sparks...you Never make mistakes either...Never had the perfect shot[as so you thought]go wrong?
Stop being an engineer and admit to being human ffs Or are you from planet Vulcan??
When you hit the target,if it decapitates the head,isnt that what it is supposed to do,not hit centre mass??
Logical.....

Sparks wrote: »

Sure it's humane - when you hit the target. And wasn't it you in another thread on deer hunting less than an hour ago saying that sometimes when you do everything right, stuff just goes wrong anyway?
Wring the bird's neck or decapitate it properly, not with some gimmick like this ffs.

And how do you wring the birds neck? walk over and pick it up?
Decapitate it how? By throwing a cleaver at it?
These look efficient and with a 4" radius they offer a lot bigger kill radius then a bullet.

The point being, you're right up close and can't miss because of some random puff of wind.

Said the man an hour ago who was arguing that you must take in every consideration when shooting deer for all unforseen events:p

(How come it's fine to argue for hunting with hounds because the up-close nature of the kill prevents wounded animals escaping to die of sepsis, but you can't argue that in this case, where one miss and you have a badly injured bird running away? I mean, they say to use this thing on feckin ostriches and even at point blank range, that does not look like a quick humane kill to me...)

How far will it run with a partly severd head or a 4in blade stuck in it before it bleeds out?

Grizzly, if you want to hunt the turkey, okay. But for crying out loud, get the right tool for the job (a shotgun). This need for yahoos to get the latest feckin' gimmicky toy to kill an animal with is just downright... disrespectful.

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Or a 22mag rifle..but then again it is a tricky target too a head shot on a turkey.As with all live targets.If it gets the job done better in a specific field of hunting to dispatch the game is it a gimmick?

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Said the man an hour ago who was arguing that you must take in every consideration when shooting deer for all unforseen events:p

*looks at Grizzly patiently*
Yes?
And?
I'm saying you have to get up close and do the job right, not stand back with the latest gimmicky toy and see how wrong you can get it...

How far will it run with a partly severd head or a 4in blade stuck in it before it bleeds out?

Dunno. How long will a deer run if you just get it in the liver with a .270?

Or a 22mag rifle

Isn't it illegal to shoot wildfowl with a rifle in Ireland?

As with all live targets.If it gets the job done better in a specific field of hunting to dispatch the game is it a gimmick?

That's a pretty big "If" there Grizzly. I'd want to see someone other than the guy selling it prove that it's more effective and humane before I'd change my mind.

Dvs wrote: »

The point is that,
this is legal in the jurisdiction where it is taking place.

Speaking as the chap making the point in the first place, no, that's not it.
Mellor was on the money - the point isn't the cases where it works well (which are all we're being shown here in the video by the people trying to sell this gimmick), the point is the ratio of cases where it works humanely to those where it does not.

There are several tried and trusted methods for humanely dispatching food animals. When some random company invents something that sounds like a special effects director trying frat-boy humour, I can't help but think it's (to steal a phrase) the answer to a question nobody was interested in asking in the first place.

Dvs wrote: »

Sparks you made your own point as you see it,
I made mine.

That's fine. Just don't tell mellor he's missed my point when he's gotten it exactly right...

What personal knowledge or experience, do you think gives you the expertise to decide that this is not an effective improved development in bow hunting equipment

I think you missed my point again - which was that wringing the birds neck by hand or chopping its head off while you have it physically restrained so you doesn't miss, or opening an artery with a knife while it's stunned, or any of the standard techniques used are all superior to bow hunting. My personal knowlege and experience based on fourteen years of using firearms as well as thirty-odd years of common sense tells me that projectiles, be they from a firearm or from a bow, do not always go where you just know they're going to go before you fire them. Are you going to tell me you know different? Because if you are, think for a moment about why you don't have all the medals in all the competitions you've ever entered.

I'm not vegetarian or vegan or anything like that, I think we evolved as omnivores and animal protein is an important part of our diet, and I have zero problem with killing an animal to provide food. But I also believe that if you're going to kill a thing, you have an ethical duty to do it right, not mess about trying to do it with some sort of target shooting gizmo that some random company is trying to sell to you as the next best thing since sliced bread.

And it would be the choice of those hunters involved in turkey hunting in the USA to decide if they wanted to use this product.

And my choice to think of them as being disrespectful to the animal they're hunting, and thus not real hunters. Just like any sperm donor can create a fetus without being worthy of the title "father", any idiot can eventually kill an animal without being worthy of the title "hunter".