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I think it's great how people can criticise, mock and belittle a profession (and those who work in it) while having no knowledge of what's involved in said profession and it usually being a profession that they probably wouldn't be able to/want to do. I see people doing this all the time, and it's not just restricted to the Gardai. So I assume all these critics have the ultimate solution, and want to go out and "clean up the streets" themselves.
Hi,
Welcome to the internet, home of the serial know-all complainer. You must have missed the welcome packs at the door
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Hi,
Welcome to the internet, home of the serial know-all complainer. You must have missed the welcome packs at the door
Do you remember when you were a kid and your mother would tell you that watching television would give you square eyes? Nowadays we should warn people that the internet makes you stupid. 0 -
Do you remember when you were a kid and your mother would tell you that watching television would give you square eyes? Nowadays we should warn people that the internet makes you stupid.
Yes, but she also warned me about such things as hair growth on the palms of the hands resulting from certain activities, and she told me that if I got a cut on the web between my thumb and forefinger I would die. She made me bathe in a tin bath with mustard added to it if I got wet, so that I wouldn't catch a cold. Can't trust them mothers at all. Nothing whatever to do with this thread but WTF:D0 -
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...Any legal action against this Gda Corcoran would have been assault at most whereas an internal discipline investigation I suppose would involve use of excessive force of a baton. I have looked closely all videos you have put forward but may I remind you these videos were edited to show the Gardai in a bad light. None of the videos show the sequence of events but, in video 1, show ordinary people dancing on the streets straight to cops beating them. It is typical Indymedia propaganda.
The videos are obviously poor quality, and badly edited, and I'm not condoning the illegal actions of the protestors. However, from reports/footage in the media, and footage here, there's no comparison to the Landsdowne Road riot at all. The videos show gardai in a bad light, because they acted in a bad light. It's quite clear that some members used excessive force that day.
Tbh I cannot see any blood on the woman. The footage is of poor quality and we can make out a guard in a blue shirt but not the face of the guard wearing it!!!!!!!!!!
I can't even see the ID numbers on his shoulders!
18 seconds into the video we can see a guard wearing a hi-viz jacket using his baton on one man in a white shirt when another man in black runs towards the guard and then enter Gda Corcoran who takes down this man in black, hits him once when he is on the ground and then stops.
I can see that the Gda Corcoran probably thought this man was attacking
a member. Can you not see it?
Imo, the guy in the black is running towards the Guard probably to protect his friend who was being beaten at the time. Gda Corcoran could have grabbed this guy to prevent him reaching the Garda in the yellow jacket. The guy in black is quite small, possibly a minor.
I think he hits him at least 4 or 5 times. And, why did he hit the guy on the ground?
Then, a group of people enter the picture pleading with Gda Corcoran to stop hitting the man. Gda Corcoran raises his baton in a threatening manner towards these people.
Admit it, he lost control and went beserk. He's a maniac and doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
In fairness we could by any stretch of imagination believe that the guard asked this man several times to move off the road before having to be physically thrown. It would appear that unfortunately for both the guard and the man that the ditch was fairly deep.
Seriously what would you expect from him. A smile, thumbs up at the camera?
Have you ever had to use violence on a person in public? I mean by physically restraining a person or to tackle a person who does not want to be moved, caught or arrested?
It is embarrasing for the guard as I have had to do it myseif. I don't like to use violence but have to when I'm forced to.
I have no doubt that he was asked to move, and refused, but why did he throw the man into a ditch. The deep fall makes it look a lot worse, but even if there wasn't a fall the man didn't deserve to be thrown into a ditch of nettles/branches. He didn't have to be physically thrown.
Anyway, the guy in the video is quite small- the Guard could quite easily have used reasonable force to escort the man to the side of the road, without hurling him into the ditch. Look at the way the guy in the blue t-shirt does it. If the Guard wasn't strong enough to take the man off the road, he could have got a colleague to help him lift the protestor. At about 20 secs in the video there are plenty of Gardai present, so you can't say the Guard was on his own.
Do you work for the garda press Office?
Yourself and Karlito are constantly trying to defend the indefensible.0 -
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Karlitosway1978 wrote: »What your not saying is that it started
and finished within 80 seconds and no one will give a statement which
includes you evidently! BTW, they were arrested.
You see the strange thing, people dont commit crime when the Gardai are
around but unless you think its realistic to emply 1 million then your not
going to have one every 1 hundred metres.
Also, recently I was shot down by certain people for even suggesting that
this happens in the first place because Ireland has absolutely no football
hooligans.
I was on the bus behind - a no.3, the bus attacked was a 41C and crawled past it so close I know the registration. Even though the bus had its tyres slashed, all downstairs and some upstairs windows smashed and fights on it after they boarded it, still it managed to limp on two tyres to O'Connell Street from Dorset St, before any sirens were heard with Tolka Park and battalions of Gardai stationed there at an empty ground no more than a couple of minutes away.
One Rovers fan mentioned it to an officer standing at the GPO and was met with a look like he had three heads! In fairness, a statement is only useful after the event - an event so predictable, it shouldn't be needed for a competent police force! If they were arrested, why were the same people again in the same place last Friday with again no police presence?
You have lost confidence because you witnessed a
bus being damaged and there was no Gardai within sight. Failed on the AGS
part I don't think so, definite failure by the parents of these mere kids,
absolutely.
Do you think we have a crystal ball to tell us something is about to
happen on a street in a city at a particular time?
If you were on the bus then how do you know that these kids were not
arrested after the bus had passed. Did you or someone else call the
Gardai? Is it possible that the Gardai were dealing with something a
little more serious?
Again as has been said there is approx 2500 uniformed Gardai on duty in
the entire country so it is fair to say that we cannot be
everywhere.
It has happened about six or seven times in the last year in the same place, by the same people, for the same reason. The 16A is usually ambushed, just not this time - for example, last season on a Monday night, a 16A was smashed before the game between UCD and Rovers..in exactly the same place - so why the need for a crystal ball?! :mad: They wait to see what bus the Rovers fans get home and pick on it turning off Dorset St. This time it was the 41C, it's usually the 16A - how hard can it be to work it out what will happen?
They know it happens because after the UCD game, such that there was a van that rolled up Dorset St after the games and nothing happened last season..then suddenly no more and it has started again. They know it happens because a game three weeks ago after this latest event - two buses were given patrol car escorts to the ground. Yet still, they were all there waiting again last Friday and no Garda presence. They know it happens, they know where it happens, they should know why it happens and they should know who is doing it and they do nothing.
Parents are refusing to let Rovers fans get the bus to the games now because there's no guarantee they'll be back safe and if the Gardai can't control it, who can blame them?
Time and time again it has happened and so if there's nobody that can put the two and two together that Dorset St is a flashpoint, the Gardai either are incompetent or blatantly ignore it "for something more important". Try telling there was something more important to the terrified innocent passengers or the people walking up O'Connell Street who ran back to get away. Why should anyone believe that now that it has happened yet again, that there will be Gardai the next time? They have failed every other time it has happened, so logically..0 -
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battalions of Gardai stationed there at an empty ground no more than a couple of minutes away.
an event so predictable,
happened about six or seven times in the last year in the same place, by the same people, for the same reason.
how hard can it be to work it out what will happen?
no Garda presence.
now that it has happened yet again, that there will be Gardai the next time? They have failed every other time it has happened, so logically..
Seems like a mismanagement of resources to me. Have you or the club sent a letter to the Super in charge of the event highlighting the problems?0 -
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I have no idea about past threads, but it is irrelevant to this thread because this isn't to do with hooliganism or policing football - this is public order on the streets - something I would expect the Gardai to be charged with controlling.
The bunch of teenagers at the Dorset St. Flats are not football fans. They like to affiliate themselves to Bohemians, but they're nothing to do with them. They are a bunch of 'yobs' who see the opportunity to cause some more damage on our streets and are given the free will to do so unchallenged again and again and again.
Hooligans? They're 12-15 year olds who boast about it on bebo, ffs.
Are you trying to tell me the police of this country cannot control or even second-guess thirty 12-15 year olds who do the same thing every single week in the same place for the same reason and they'll be there for every Rovers home match for the rest of the season - I'd invite you to come see for yourself if you like. As a result, I have no confidence in the Gardai's capacity to control public order.
If I was to go to O'Connell Bridge and stab someone at the same time once a day for the next week, how many times would I get away with it so before the Gardai would cop on to what's happening and be there waiting to arrest me? This lot have got away with it for 18 months. Or would there still be something more important?
Already a Shelbourne fan either nearly did or did lose his eye on the opening day of the season with these teenagers. Will it take someone to die before the Gardai take this seriously?0 -
I have no idea about past threads, but it is irrelevant to this thread because this isn't to do with hooliganism or policing football - this is public order on the streets - something I would expect the Gardai to be charged with controlling.
The bunch of teenagers at the Dorset St. Flats are not football fans. They like to affiliate themselves to Bohemians, but they're nothing to do with them. They are a bunch of 'yobs' who see the opportunity to cause some more damage on our streets and are given the free will to do so unchallenged again and again and again.
Hooligans? They're 12-15 year olds who boast about it on bebo, ffs. Are you trying to tell me the police of this country cannot control or even second-guess thirty 12-15 year olds who do the same thing every single week in the same place for the same reason and they'll be there for every Rovers home match for the rest of the season - I'd invite you to come see for yourself if you like. As a result, I have no confidence in the Gardai's capacity to control public order.
If I was to go to O'Connell Bridge and stab someone at the same time once a day for the next week, how many times would I get away with it so before the Gardai would cop on to what's happening and be there waiting to arrest me? This lot have got away with it for 18 months. Or would there still be something more important?
Already a Shelbourne fan either nearly did or did lose his eye on the opening day of the season with these teenagers. Will it take someone to die before the Gardai take this seriously?
Your inability or willingness to discuss a solution shows you have the complaint but not the solution.
well allow me to outline the issue properly for you;
they are juveniles, cant be charged on arrest without a file to the JLO and DPP which means they are always released without charge. when you get permission to charge they are given bail by the judges until after about a year they finally get sentenced. If by some miracle they get custody theres no room to detain them as can be seen in the news today.
I say again, Gardai arrest criminals and investigate crime but its judges that sentence them and grant bail. Its the prison and education services that detain them and its the government that dictates resources to all all this.
As for being in the same place, its not the same place because its only happened twice in my district in the past 3 years and both times they were on camera and arrested.
they were also get escorted home by the public order unit after matches (which they do attend by the way for Bohs and Shamrock rovers) but people said thats not a good use of garda time and manpower so it was stopped.
You want an immediate responce but guess what? Theres only about 20 Gardai on duty in Dublin city centre and the crime you witnesses wasnt the only one being commited!And the winner for this years utterly innacurate analogy is.....
10 pages and this is your input to the subject?0 -
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