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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Wigertoods wrote: »
    I'm nearly sure Derek had 44 and 40 in Glenville.Wouldn't like to disagree with Kingdom though,Has the memory of an elephant (No offense meant here).

    Anyway best scores: 38 in cy for 18 long long time ago (before john had the amazing 36)
    83 in cy for 36 (also a long time ago) but cy probably isn't a true reflection of capability as the course lends itself to low scoring.

    I'll concede that to you Wiger, I was speculating on derek's score, I'm sure you're spot on.
    Plenty other parts of me are starting to resemble an elephant too. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Tipperman wrote: »
    The team is very tight at the moment after Sunday

    Team standings after 5 Trials
    Paul O'Brien -48
    Brian Webster -44
    John O'Meara -39
    Noel Joyce -34
    Rory Hogan -34
    Stephen Shoer -33
    James Cleary -22

    We have 3 trials left being 2 in Larkspur Park and 1 in Riverdale so for the last 2 spots on the team it will be tough.. John O'Meara, Brian Webster and Paul O'Brien are all safe but it is going to be interesting:D

    The Munster as you can imagine is going to be very tough... Collins in my opinion is not a great course as too many pokey shots but I have no doubt it will be in good condition... J Walsh has to the favourite and his draw means he has to make Semi at least.. I have a tough draw myself but nothing new there eh.... Playing well at present so anything can happen.. I am looking forward to it but with work and family commitments I can't get down to practice there... I was off last week but the course was closed under health and safety as some women fell down there a while ago.. They are putting in some all weather soccer field or something and the Charity Scr Cup had to be moved to Douglas but the Munster is on in Collins....

    James has a lot of ground to make up over 3 trials, are they all to count still? Yeah you've a tricky draw alright but these are the things that test us. Pity aboput the course being closed but I'd say you've played Collins plenty of times at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Draupnir wrote: »
    The kind of scoring you guys are posting up is scary! It just shows me what I need to be aiming for and practising for though! At the minute my best around shandon is 50 for 18 holes and 107 for 36!!

    Then again, thats not bad for 3 months play in the last 10 years in my opinion :)

    Draupnir,
    For 3 months play your best score is quite good. Its all about consistency though, and while some of the best individual scores are excellent, the average round would be quite a few shots lower.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    My best was in Glenville Open last year done 43 first round 41 second round for 84 still got beaten for the 36 by phil byrne who did 42/41 - I remember the last hole putt for 14 from 8 feet and missed it would have equalled course record by phil

    Its still fabulous scoring up there, its a tougher course than its given credit for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Cheers for that, I'm happy with the level of my play in general, the 50 mark is something I am close to hitting virtually every round at this stage so I am happy with that.

    I'd like to make that mark around 47-48 by the end of the summer, with 50 being my average. If I can achieve that then I will view my practice as a success for this year.

    Have been getting some pointers from one or two of the scratch guys around the club and have found them to make big improvements in my consistency, so that definitely helps.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Draupnir wrote: »
    I'm glad to hear it or else it could be a longer road that I thought to get to a decent level of play!

    On average what kind of hours would people be doing in practice most weeks? At the minute I am playing 4 days a week practice, about 2.5 hours each day. That is of course until the monsoon season started there recently! It's tough with work and other commitments but so far hasn't been a huge problem.

    That is a fantastic commitment Draupnir and provided your practising the good habits, then it will stand to you in the coming weeks months & years. The only thing about practising the one course all the time is that when you play another course, if something goes amiss it can be hard to figure out why that has happened. If you have that much time (and I'm figuring its the evenings you're practising) I'd get myself over to a couple of the Dublin opens (or Louth or Meath). They will be a breath of fresh air and will help you come on no end.
    Another option is the Dublin strokeplay qualifying. Its in Erins Isle for yourself, so take yourself over there every so often for a practice. It will stand to you.

    Fair play to you on the commitment front. I'm going weeks without playing at this stage and would only love to get out 4 times a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Tipperman wrote: »
    You keep that level of practicing and you will be winning All Irelands for defo.. I would practice every Wed without fail(I never practice before this as I just relax after playing the weekend) and would play one round with 2 Balls.. 1 hour max... Practice again then on Friday evening or Sat Morning all depends on when Comp is on and same again.... Suppose I don't play as much as others but it works for me... Have to get time for the GAA aswell but I might be divorced soon if I don't win an All Ireland or so I'm told:o

    I always like to hear what levels of practice or comp the top ranking players get in, and tipperman is no different in having a set routine it seems.

    Tipperman are you in Nenagh now, if so what is Riverdale like and would you do most of your practising in Templemore or would you spread the love around? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭Tipperman


    Kingdom wrote: »
    James has a lot of ground to make up over 3 trials, are they all to count still? Yeah you've a tricky draw alright but these are the things that test us. Pity aboput the course being closed but I'd say you've played Collins plenty of times at this stage.

    We have 3 trials left. We play 8 with 6 to count... He needs good scores in Cashel now to try and get on... He would be a savage loss to us.. He mightn't be having a good year but he would be better in that championship than a debutant especially when we are playing at home etc........You should see Larkspur, I passed that way the other day and you could play the Inter County there today.. Unreal, should have a championship there every year....

    Did anyone hear of any possible clubs who are interested in hosting the Nationals next year... They normally announce them around this time of year:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Draupnir wrote: »
    So what you are saying is, my girlfriend is quite right in being a bit cheesed off about how much I'm playing? :)

    What he's saying is get the practice in now, its like Lord of the Rings, once the ring is on the finger you disappear! :eek::D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Kingdom wrote: »
    That is a fantastic commitment Draupnir and provided your practising the good habits, then it will stand to you in the coming weeks months & years. The only thing about practising the one course all the time is that when you play another course, if something goes amiss it can be hard to figure out why that has happened. If you have that much time (and I'm figuring its the evenings you're practising) I'd get myself over to a couple of the Dublin opens (or Louth or Meath). They will be a breath of fresh air and will help you come on no end.
    Another option is the Dublin strokeplay qualifying. Its in Erins Isle for yourself, so take yourself over there every so often for a practice. It will stand to you.

    Fair play to you on the commitment front. I'm going weeks without playing at this stage and would only love to get out 4 times a week.

    Great advice cheers Kingdom, are you allowed to practice at anytime ahead of competitions? I am entered in the strokeplay and was going to play in Erin's Isle next week, I wasn't aware that I would be ok to head up there this week.

    It certainly is evening's I'm practising, I'm based in Dun Laoghaire for work so as much as I would love to get a lunch time round in now and again, the trip is just too far!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Tipperman wrote: »
    We have 3 trials left. We play 8 with 6 to count... He needs good scores in Cashel now to try and get on... He would be a savage loss to us.. He mightn't be having a good year but he would be better in that championship than a debutant especially when we are playing at home etc........You should see Larkspur, I passed that way the other day and you could play the Inter County there today.. Unreal, should have a championship there every year....

    Did anyone hear of any possible clubs who are interested in hosting the Nationals next year... They normally announce them around this time of year:confused:


    Nothing discussed yet as far as I know.

    Where would people like to see championships next yr?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Great advice cheers Kingdom, are you allowed to practice at anytime ahead of competitions? I am entered in the strokeplay and was going to play in Erin's Isle next week, I wasn't aware that I would be ok to head up there this week.

    It certainly is evening's I'm practising, I'm based in Dun Laoghaire for work so as much as I would love to get a lunch time round in now and again, the trip is just too far!

    I would ring ahead myself (with the leagues on course might not be available) but its only up the road so it might not be any hassle.
    Another option would be to go over to Ring Commons or Portmarnock, just say you're practising for the relevant cship qual and you'll be fine. Nobody will ask you for id.
    If you're in Dun Laoghaire, you could possibly get out to Loughlinstown for a quick game. Hated the place myself (personal reasons nothing to do with Lougho or its members), but its a good course and a good test.

    Draupnir are you playing Dublin leagues/?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭Tipperman


    Kingdom wrote: »
    I always like to hear what levels of practice or comp the top ranking players get in, and tipperman is no different in having a set routine it seems.

    Tipperman are you in Nenagh now, if so what is Riverdale like and would you do most of your practising in Templemore or would you spread the love around? :D

    Spreading the love eh...

    Riverdale is a nice course...It used to be very short but they bought land and developed new holes... The opening 9 are tough there as you have 6 holes over 50 but two massive shots up the hill (the 18th in hillview is only a slope compared to these two mama's). Back 9 is the old course and this is where the round is put together... Greens are always pretty good but never overly quick.. It is a course that has been very good to me in the past and but it can be scored on.... They have new teeboxes there now and the place is always improving which is nice to see...

    I play a lot there alright as I am an associated member as it on my home from work... Templemore, I have only played in competition this year unfortunately...

    Riverdale Scr Cup is on 13th July and they have Sen/ Inter & Junior Scr Cup so there is a lot to play for over there... Prizes are normally very good and with the Nationals coming up, good to get in some competition practice... Normally 100 play there anyway.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭Tipperman


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Nothing discussed yet as far as I know.

    Where would people like to see championships next yr?

    Matchplay - Larkspur Park
    Strokeplay - Rosscarbery
    Inter County - Castletown
    Munster Stroke - Deerpark
    Leinster Stroke - Seapoint
    Munster Match - Parteen
    Leinster Match - RGSC
    Leinster Inter Co - Cloghue
    Munster Inter Co - Hillview
    PJ Bell - Fermoy
    All Ireland Seniors - Tullamore
    All Ireland Mixed - Ryston
    All Ireland Juv - St Bridgets
    Leinster Mixed - Glenville
    Munster Mixed - Bruff

    Will be interesting though as to what Clubs look for what though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Draupnir are you playing Dublin leagues/?

    No Shandon Inter team unfortunately, I wasnt back playing in time to put my name down. Have been watching the Seniors and am very disappointed not to be playing leagues but there is always next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Tipperman wrote: »
    Spreading the love eh...

    Riverdale is a nice course...and the place is always improving which is nice to see...

    Riverdale Scr Cup is on 13th July and they have Sen/ Inter & Junior Scr Cup so there is a lot to play for over there... Prizes are normally very good and with the Nationals coming up, good to get in some competition practice... Normally 100 play there anyway.....

    Thanks for that Tipperman, I've wanted to play there for a while, but this year is out for me, I'm dependent on lifts this year, which is always awkward, back on the road for new year and will hit a few of these scratch cups next yr.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Wigertoods


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Great advice cheers Kingdom, are you allowed to practice at anytime ahead of competitions? I am entered in the strokeplay and was going to play in Erin's Isle next week, I wasn't aware that I would be ok to head up there this week.

    It certainly is evening's I'm practising, I'm based in Dun Laoghaire for work so as much as I would love to get a lunch time round in now and again, the trip is just too far!

    Most clubs around are available for practice a week or so before the comp.Just give the club secretary a buzz first to make sure the course is not being used for club comp or League match on the night in question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Tipperman wrote: »
    Matchplay - Larkspur Park
    Strokeplay - Rosscarbery
    Inter County - Castletown
    Munster Stroke - Deerpark
    Leinster Stroke - Seapoint
    Munster Match - Parteen
    Leinster Match - RGSC
    Leinster Inter Co - Cloghue
    Munster Inter Co - Hillview

    Will be interesting though as to what Clubs look for what though

    I'll be honest about it, I care little for the team events or the mixed competitions. Having said that they deserve to be on good courses also, as they cater for a larger proportion of the PPUI membership.

    Your last line is something that I could never understand, membership of the PPUI should be a two way thing. If your club is lucky enough to be selected to host a championship of any grade, that should be that. How many times were the Leinster and Dublin Splay qual in the same course two weeks apart. Often. A club should have 18 months notice for hosting a NEC Championship. That is plenty of time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Draupnir wrote: »
    No Shandon Inter team unfortunately, I wasnt back playing in time to put my name down. Have been watching the Seniors and am very disappointed not to be playing leagues but there is always next year.

    Dublin leagues are a great help at development in Intermediate grade I believe. Pity about this year, at your current rate you could be senior grade next year!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭Tipperman


    Kingdom wrote: »
    I'll be honest about it, I care little for the team events or the mixed competitions. Having said that they deserve to be on good courses also, as they cater for a larger proportion of the PPUI membership.

    Your last line is something that I could never understand, membership of the PPUI should be a two way thing. If your club is lucky enough to be selected to host a championship of any grade, that should be that. How many times were the Leinster and Dublin Splay qual in the same course two weeks apart. Often. A club should have 18 months notice for hosting a NEC Championship. That is plenty of time.

    Agree with the 18 month notice

    The NEC should seek the knowlege a
    Qualified Greenkeeper who in turn sets out a Programme to get this course to the highest possible standard it can be at the time of the Championship. This should be given to the Club lets say 12 months in advance of teh comp. This person then visits the club each month to ensure this programme is being carried out fully and if not then the Championship should be pulled. The money the NEC give for hosting these events is pitiful as it clubs in the region of €2-€4k to get their course right. Fertilizers, sand, servicing of machines all adds up and €500 that they give is not the way forward.....
    The NEC should re-grade all the courses once again as there are courses getting Nationals ie Ryston that aren't even graded as per PPUI website.. Not good enough:mad:

    Players qualify for this comps and deserve to play a course that has been prepared to the highest possible standards unlike some courses I won't mention that I have played in recent years that have held National Championships..:confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭HITMANHEALY


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Great advice cheers Kingdom, are you allowed to practice at anytime ahead of competitions? I am entered in the strokeplay and was going to play in Erin's Isle next week, I wasn't aware that I would be ok to head up there this week.

    It certainly is evening's I'm practising, I'm based in Dun Laoghaire for work so as much as I would love to get a lunch time round in now and again, the trip is just too far!

    Fancy A game in Loughlinstown next Monday Draupnir...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Graded Courses, November 28, 2005, 12:02 pm

    In recent months the PPUI graded affiliated Pitch & Putt Courses throughout the country. This was undertaken by a consultant on behalf of the Union, and all aspects were considered from facilities and parking to the course itself. The grades are divided into 2 categories: Championship and Provincial.

    A total of 18 courses have been awarded Championship Grade and will be considered for National Championships and Competitions as well as all Provincial Competitions:

    Castletown
    Deerpark
    Fermoy
    Glenville
    Hillview
    Lakeside
    Lakewood
    Larkspur Park
    Lucan
    Parteen
    Portmarnock
    RGSC
    Royal Meath
    Seapoint
    St Bridget’s
    St Patrick’s
    Stackallen
    Tullamore


    The following courses achieved Provincial Grade and will be considered for National Competitions and Provincial Championships and Competitions:

    Ashgrove
    Bagenalstown
    Ballinlough
    Bellewstown
    Bruff
    Castleisland
    Castlelyons
    Claycastle
    Cloghogue
    Collins
    Collinstown
    Cunnigar
    ESB
    Ierne
    Inniscarra
    Kilmichael
    McDonagh
    Old County
    Rosscarbery
    Shandon
    St Anne’s
    St Stephen’s


    Congratulations to all clubs on achieving these grades.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭Tipperman


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Graded Courses, November 28, 2005, 12:02 pm

    In recent months the PPUI graded affiliated Pitch & Putt Courses throughout the country. This was undertaken by a consultant on behalf of the Union, and all aspects were considered from facilities and parking to the course itself. The grades are divided into 2 categories: Championship and Provincial.

    A total of 18 courses have been awarded Championship Grade and will be considered for National Championships and Competitions as well as all Provincial Competitions:

    Castletown
    Deerpark
    Fermoy
    Glenville
    Hillview
    Lakeside
    Lakewood
    Larkspur Park
    Lucan
    Parteen
    Portmarnock
    RGSC
    Royal Meath
    Seapoint
    St Bridget’s
    St Patrick’s
    Stackallen
    Tullamore


    The following courses achieved Provincial Grade and will be considered for National Competitions and Provincial Championships and Competitions:

    Ashgrove
    Bagenalstown
    Ballinlough
    Bellewstown
    Bruff
    Castleisland
    Castlelyons
    Claycastle
    Cloghogue
    Collins
    Collinstown
    Cunnigar
    ESB
    Ierne
    Inniscarra
    Kilmichael
    McDonagh
    Old County
    Rosscarbery
    Shandon
    St Anne’s
    St Stephen’s


    Congratulations to all clubs on achieving these grades.


    Thats as far as that Consultant went though.. Not his or her fault.. Should have been asked for more of an input when it came to preparing the course at time of comp...PPUI only got him to drink half of the pint!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Fancy A game in Loughlinstown next Monday Draupnir...

    Sounds great! What kind of time would you be around?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Tipperman wrote: »
    Thats as far as that Consultant went though.. Not his or her fault.. Should have been asked for more of an input when it came to preparing the course at time of comp...PPUI only got him to drink half of the pint!!!!!

    I'm not sure if I agree with you Tipperman on the Consultancy. Definitely there are courses around that should be hosting National championships etc but don't because course/facilities are up to scratch and perhaps these clubs should be given the option of this service. Its all relative to cost though. There are other courses such as our own that would take offence I'd imagine at the thought of an outsider stepping on the toes.

    Where I think aid should be given (and I'm speculating on this whether this currently happens or not) is to upgrade certain aspects of a club. Like new mats or laying of artificial grass at tea areas.

    Incidently of the courses graded in late 2005 , the following

    Deerpark
    Hillview
    Parteen
    Royal Meath
    haven't had a National competition in 06/07/08 and

    The following

    Ballinlough
    Bellewstown
    Bruff
    Castleisland
    Castlelyons
    Claycastle
    Cloghogue
    Collinstown
    Inniscarra
    haven't had a provinical competition in those years either.

    Old County
    Rosscarbery
    Shandon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Kingdom


    Tipperman wrote: »
    Strokeplay - Rosscarbery
    Munster Match - Parteen

    Tipperman what are these two courses like? I know Rosscarbery is by the sea but thats the extent of what I know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭Tipperman


    Kingdom wrote: »
    I'm not sure if I agree with you Tipperman on the Consultancy. Definitely there are courses around that should be hosting National championships etc but don't because course/facilities are up to scratch and perhaps these clubs should be given the option of this service. Its all relative to cost though. There are other courses such as our own that would take offence I'd imagine at the thought of an outsider stepping on the toes.

    Where I think aid should be given (and I'm speculating on this whether this currently happens or not) is to upgrade certain aspects of a club. Like new mats or laying of artificial grass at tea areas.

    Incidently of the courses graded in late 2005 , the following

    Deerpark
    Hillview
    Parteen
    Royal Meath
    haven't had a National competition in 06/07/08 and

    The following

    Ballinlough
    Bellewstown
    Bruff
    Castleisland
    Castlelyons
    Claycastle
    Cloghogue
    Collinstown
    Inniscarra
    haven't had a provinical competition in those years either.

    Old County
    Rosscarbery
    Shandon

    I think you have taken me up wrong.. What I mean is that the Consultancy side of things should run along with the increase in monies that the NEC provide the Club.... Not all courses are like Hillview, Glenville, Tullamore etc where they have a fella that knows what they are doing... I am simply saying that in order to get the courses up to the standard that is required they need outside help and I would say that this consultant takes everything on board from Tee Boxes to Trees to greens etc.... It is imperative to attract new members to the game they have to be able to play on the best courses possible...It just an opinion but I really feels it needs addressing..

    Hillview have the All Ireland Seniors there this year:D

    There are some courses on that graded side of things that I wouldn't even let cattle into graze on to be honest....

    I genuinely feel that clubs want to move in the right direction but they simply don't know how to enhance the course or afraid to in case of ruining it... The PPUI should at least have a contact number for a consultant on their website and let clubs contact him or her at their expense... That website is a joke though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭Tipperman


    Kingdom wrote: »
    Tipperman what are these two courses like? I know Rosscarbery is by the sea but thats the extent of what I know.

    Parteen is a good course in fairness.. They have some lovely shots but facilities are poorish.. They have a thriving club and are always enhancing the course.. Best Tee Boxes in the country were put in there last year....They are renting the land from a gangster who charges them €6k a year and I heard he looking for more so they could be in trouble..

    Rosscarbery is the hidden gem of the P&P world.. They have two courses down there and why they haven't been approached for a National is beyond me.. You could play either course and it would be a legendary competititon.. I know it is in South West Cork but jaysus I would love to play a comp there.. It is massive.. Best course in the country by a mile...Doolin is another great place...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭HITMANHEALY


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Sounds great! What kind of time would you be around?

    Any time mate - do u drive around 5.30 if u like


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    I finish work at 5 in DL so 5:30 sounds like perfect time for me to get there, its the course on Commons Road there, just off the N11 right?


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