Priests and confessionals

javaboy · 20-06-2008 03:20AM

Mr Crystal wrote: »

No they just suggest a game of cluedo to the guards and change the names to suspects. Fact.

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Have you ever seen priests play Cluedo? It takes them 3 hours to play and they forget to put the cards in the envelope so it's pointless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI7AosW--OI

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eVeNtInE · 20-06-2008 03:25AM

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Fratton Fred · 20-06-2008 10:14AM

Fony Tenton wrote: »

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ok smart arse

Fratton Fred · 20-06-2008 10:15AM

ScumLord wrote: »

You should go in for the craic.

You start off saying "bless me father for I have sinned, it has been so many many months since my last confession" Then you tell your sins.

How many Hail Mary's do I get for being a proddy

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 10:25AM

As far as I know it doesn't even have to be in a confessional. It also is not restricted to priests. When anyone goes to whatever person - priest, rabbi etc and seek advice that person can claim the person was seeking counsel. The person they tell can try to make the perp come clean. The person the perp confides in can break their silence but must get special permission from their relevant boss ie the Pope in the case of priests. But yes the Roman Catholic Church to think the death of soul is far more important than the death of the body.

ScumLord · 20-06-2008 10:38AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

How many Hail Mary's do I get for being a proddy

I don't think mary can save you from that one.

Maybe leave that one till last.. "wait a minute, this isn't my church".. runs away.

Run_to_da_hills · 20-06-2008 10:44AM

THere has been a history of child sex autrocities with the clergy in this country, I doubt if the priests involved in them reported it them selves when they made their own confessions and if they did was there a lid kept on it.

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oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 10:47AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

THere has been a history of child sex autrocities with the clergy in this country, I doubt if the priests involved in them reported it them selves when they made their own confessions and if they did was there a lid kept on it. .

A certain Bishop I know was booted from a very high ranking position to a lowly position and booted from parish to parish because of his lets say relationships within the community. It's not only in this country the priests had a problem its also in the states, but I dont think it was as widely reported there.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-06-2008 11:04AM

I'd imagine that, if said murderer/child molester is confessing such a sin, then they must be both religious and remourseful.

The priest would be more likely to encourage the man to either turn himself in (thus doing away with the guilty conscience and allowing the priest, to a certain degree, to maintain any legal obligations) or to atone for such sins directly.

Run_to_da_hills · 20-06-2008 11:08AM

oranjeboom wrote: »

A certain Bishop I know was booted from a very high ranking position to a lowly position and booted from parish to parish because of his lets say relationships within the community. It's not only in this country the priests had a problem its also in the states, but I dont think it was as widely reported there.

Ferns case with Fr Fortune is a classic example.

The Bollox · 20-06-2008 11:13AM

I'm sure if the Priest wrote it down and a police officer just 'happened' to come across it then it would be fine. the priest didn't tell anyone anything but the police department can still prosecute and a murderer / peadophile is off the streets. anyway I'm sure God would forgive the Priest as the end justifies the means

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-06-2008 11:17AM

The Bollox wrote: »

I'm sure if the Priest wrote it down and a police officer just 'happened' to come across it then it would be fine. the priest didn't tell anyone anything but the police department can still prosecute and a murderer / peadophile is off the streets. anyway I'm sure God would forgive the Priest as the end justifies the means

Deffo breach of confidentially there: also, I don't think such evidence would stand up in court without a witness.

The Bollox · 20-06-2008 11:25AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Deffo breach of confidentially there

not really

if a close friend told you a secret and you thought it was the funniest thing you ever heard, you might wanna write it down to give yourself a chuckle at a later date when you are feeling blue. you're keeping the secret to yourself but it's not guaranteed that someone won't stumble across it

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 11:33AM

The Bollox wrote: »

not really

if a close friend told you a secret and you thought it was the funniest thing you ever heard, you might wanna write it down to give yourself a chuckle at a later date when you are feeling blue. you're keeping the secret to yourself but it's not guaranteed that someone won't stumble across it

Ya but a secret is not as serious as a confessional. The priest has taken an oath, what is said in confession stays in confession.

The Bollox · 20-06-2008 11:55AM

oranjeboom wrote: »

Ya but a secret is not as serious as a confessional. The priest has taken an oath, what is said in confession stays in confession.

ok so he would probably get expelled from the priesthood for breaking the oath if he went to the police about a child molester who confessed. but would it be a different story if he outed a child molester who attacked the Bishops nephew / niece?

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 12:00PM

The Bollox wrote: »

ok so he would probably get expelled from the priesthood for breaking the oath if he went to the police about a child molester who confessed. but would it be a different story if he outed a child molester who attacked the Bishops nephew / niece?

I would imagine it would be the same no matter what he said. If they have to break the silence of confession they have to get the say so from the Pope. It can be done AFAIK. Personally I dont care what oath or creed is taken if someone has done wrong they should be reported.

But your point, I would think that if it was personal to the priest how could he stay quiet.

The Bollox · 20-06-2008 12:11PM

oranjeboom wrote: »

But your point, I would think that if it was personal to the priest how could he stay quiet.

which is why I didn't way the priests niece / nephew and instead said the Bishops. obviously if the man confessed to molesting the priests family member nothing would prevent the priest from saying something, expulsion wouldn't come into the equation for him.

However if it was a family member of the Bishop he would have to think long and hard about what to do: stay quiet and let the guilt consume him or say something and face expulsion and possibly worse

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 12:18PM

The Bollox wrote: »

which is why I didn't way the priests niece / nephew and instead said the Bishops. obviously if the man confessed to molesting the priests family member nothing would prevent the priest from saying something, expulsion wouldn't come into the equation for him.

However if it was a family member of the Bishop he would have to think long and hard about what to do: stay quiet and let the guilt consume him or say something and face expulsion and possibly worse

I suppose he would have to to a lot of soul searching and way up the pro's and cons. I wouldnt be able to keep quiet I know that for sure. Hence Im not a priest. I also haven't a clue how the inner workings of the clergy function. I wonder could he go to the Bishop and to a hypothetical situation and see what he says.

The Bollox · 20-06-2008 12:48PM

oranjeboom wrote: »

I suppose he would have to to a lot of soul searching and way up the pro's and cons. I wouldnt be able to keep quiet I know that for sure. Hence Im not a priest. I also haven't a clue how the inner workings of the clergy function. I wonder could he go to the Bishop and to a hypothetical situation and see what he says.

something along the lines of "your Grace, I have a moral question: if you found out through a confessional a family member of a friend was being molested, would you honour your oath of silence or speak to someone"

it's a tough one alright

oranjeboom · 20-06-2008 01:00PM

The Bollox wrote: »

something along the lines of "your Grace, I have a moral question: if you found out through a confessional a family member of a friend was being molested, would you honour your oath of silence or speak to someone"

it's a tough one alright

Well I'd imagine it would be if he has decided to be a priest. Im sure they hear all sorts of things not just molestation.

randylonghorn · 20-06-2008 11:32PM

oranjeboom wrote: »

As far as I know it doesn't even have to be in a confessional.

You're right, the actual "box" has nothing to do with it.

The Bollox wrote: »

I'm sure if the Priest wrote it down and a police officer just 'happened' to come across it then it would be fine.

No, by writing it down in the first place he has broken the seal, even if no-one ever read it.

The Bollox wrote: »

anyway I'm sure God would forgive the Priest as the end justifies the means

God never said that the end justifies the means, Machiavelli did ... and he wasn't exactly proposed for sainthood, let alone divinity!

javaboy · 20-06-2008 11:38PM

randylonghorn wrote: »

God never said that the end justifies the means

Maybe not but he has a track record.

I'm going to flood the whole world and kill almost everybody but at least the place will get a good wash. It's getting filthy lately.

So I'll kill all the Egyptian first born, pollute their river, wreck their crops and rain frogs on them but hey at least the Jews will be free.

Here's the plan. I'll send my only son down to Earth and drown him to get everyone to be good... no wait. Having him die in excruciating pain would be better. Yeah new plan.

Sounds like he's a big fan of "end justifies the means" thinking.

Tha Gopher · 20-06-2008 11:47PM

Is it just something I imagined or is a priests testimony ineligible in court if it regards something from a confession? Obviously a priest could make an anonymous call to the cops, but isnt there a rule preventing the prosecution bringing in a priest to testify to what he heard?

btw Im pretty shocked this hasnt turned into a good old "teh cath0licz church runz Ireland, 0h n0e!" load of retarded crap. Sometimes I get confused between the Humour and Athiesm forums.

And Im not in the slightest religious btw. Im a Catholic on the census forum because....well...I am. Ive no reason to go to mass but no reason to excommunicate myself either.

randylonghorn · 21-06-2008 12:09AM

javaboy wrote: »

Maybe not but he has a track record.

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Sounds like he's a big fan of "end justifies the means" thinking.

Lol ... guess you have a point at that!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-06-2008 12:46AM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Is it just something I imagined or is a priests testimony ineligible in court if it regards something from a confession? Obviously a priest could make an anonymous call to the cops, but isnt there a rule preventing the prosecution bringing in a priest to testify to what he heard?

btw Im pretty shocked this hasnt turned into a good old "teh cath0licz church runz Ireland, 0h n0e!" load of retarded crap. Sometimes I get confused between the Humour and Athiesm forums.

And Im not in the slightest religious btw. Im a Catholic on the census forum because....well...I am. Ive no reason to go to mass but no reason to excommunicate myself either.

It's not really a catholic issue, it's a confidentiality one. I mean, if a man confessed to a doctor, does the Hypocratic oath come into play or does the doc go to the police (does the oath even allow for such a thing...?)

Same thing for stuff confessed to a counsellor.... or the Samaritans...

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