Penalty Points

Predhead · 07-06-2008 05:17PM

knird evol wrote: »

Ok, I won't even ask you for statistics and figures, just give me ONE example of when it happened. Your stating that it does happen and that I have not witnessed it. When did it happen. Location, date, time of the traffic accident and your evidence to link the cause of the accident to the speed of one or both of the cars involved in this particular incident.
I'll measure speed in whatever units I see fit to measure it in. It's great to be able to think for yourself rather than have eu bureaucrats and gay byrne telling you what to think.

Well said. Get off your high horse and some perspective.

4 points for me by way! I've been a bad boy ladies. :pac:

5starpool · 07-06-2008 05:25PM

none here as well although I think I may have got caught on the M50 during roadworks about 3 months ago, but haven't heard about it yet.

Davidius · 07-06-2008 05:28PM

knird evol wrote: »

Ok, I won't even ask you for statistics and figures, just give me ONE example of when it happened. Your stating that it does happen and that I have not witnessed it. When did it happen. Location, date, time of the traffic accident and your evidence to link the cause of the accident to the speed of one or both of the cars involved in this particular incident.

Around the corner from John's house outside McSweeney's on May 17, 2006 at 18:34. One car of mass X was at rest while the second car of mass M was travelling at a speed of 88.514 km/h. The two collide and the both form one large mass that travels at a speed of 5 m/s. The deceleration of the second car is 6 m/s^2. Find the time taken.

NiSmO · 07-06-2008 05:31PM

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The Artist · 07-06-2008 05:32PM

knird evol wrote: »

Driving at 55mph on a main road does not lead to accidents and deaths.
The places on the roads where you see fixed speed cameras and mobile garda speed guns and gatso vans - are all places where there are very few accidents and very few fatal accidents.

imo tailgating is the most causes of accidents and deaths.
Speed is also another cause alright but not as high as tailgating.

Mossy Monk · 07-06-2008 05:32PM

0 points. Anyone with points, well you sicken me. God and the virgin Mary are angry with you too.

utick · 07-06-2008 05:38PM

knird evol wrote: »

Ok, I won't even ask you for statistics and figures, just give me ONE example of when it happened. Your stating that it does happen and that I have not witnessed it. When did it happen. Location, date, time of the traffic accident and your evidence to link the cause of the accident to the speed of one or both of the cars involved in this particular incident.
I'll measure speed in whatever units I see fit to measure it in. It's great to be able to think for yourself rather than have eu bureaucrats and gay byrne telling you what to think.

totaly agree.
they want to reduce road deaths they need to check for speeding on the sh1t roads not the main ones. going 5mph over the limit is not a big deal either and as stated before tailgating is much more dangerous, but no one ever gets pulled over for that

Mossy Monk · 07-06-2008 05:52PM

The cops have tailgated me twice. Stupid *****.

BJC · 07-06-2008 06:00PM

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Why is that out of order?

It's speeding.

That kind of attitude is why we have so many road accidents and deaths.

And it's your attitude that will turn this country facist. Or just pig-ignorant....like you!:D

The_Conductor · 07-06-2008 06:25PM

I got 6 back when they first came in, all at the Spa Hotel in Lucan. They've all elapsed now- thankfully...... 20% discount from Hibernian for no points

elmolesto · 07-06-2008 06:38PM

I have 0 and I intend to keep it like that.

D_murph · 07-06-2008 06:52PM

Clare Bear wrote: »

So you've NEVER driven a mile or two over the limit ever? God aren't you great!

X2^ what a good little girl eh? :rolleyes:

Rb · 07-06-2008 06:52PM

I have to laugh at the people who think it's "ok" to go 5-10kmph over the speed limit. Hopefully each and every one of you racks up your 12 points and is taken off the road, or ends up in a crash and learns the hard way.

If it was ok to go 55/60 on a 50kmph limited road, why isn't the limit increased? These are the laws of our road, if you feel it's ok to break the law then you deserve to be punished as you're engaging in criminal activity by doing so. They're not guidelines, they're laws.

If you can't keep your speed to the limit, go and get a few driving lessons as it's quite obvious that you can't control your car properly and therefore shouldn't be on our roads. "It's easy to go 1 or 2 kmph over the limit", it's f*cking easier to stay under the limit if you can control your car properly.

Anyway, hopefully you'll get the punishment you deserve for breaking our laws, or find out the hard way what speeding does.

newname · 07-06-2008 06:58PM

I have 2 and was absolutely gutted when i got them, don't know why i was so gutted, but i'm more careful now - 12 is a serious amount of point's dead meat!! do you need your car for work?

SV · 07-06-2008 07:05PM

Balls.

Speed doesn't kill, careless driving kills.

I have none.

tech77 · 07-06-2008 07:07PM

4.

Got rid of a couple a few months ago- thank fcuk.

Have to admit though kinda glad i got them because it really changed my behaviour on the road.

Should get rid of the remaining 4 next year.
Woohoo.

aidan_walsh · 07-06-2008 07:07PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

Balls.

Speed doesn't kill, careless driving kills.

I have none.

Speed is all well and good until you carelessly can't stop in time.

godtabh · 07-06-2008 07:16PM

smccarrick wrote: »

I got 6 back when they first came in, all at the Spa Hotel in Lucan. They've all elapsed now- thankfully...... 20% discount from Hibernian for no points

I used to drink in the County alot and used to love watching people get done at the Spa. Most nights you'd see 2-3 people get done walking from the Spa and over the bridge.

I've 0 points because I drive like Miss Daisy so thats cool

4Xcut · 07-06-2008 07:57PM

Clare Bear wrote: »

I drive quite a lot and have no points (yet!!)....I really think some people are just unlucky though. Like getting points for doing 55 in a 50 mile limit or something like that, bit out of order?

No, no it's not. The law puts is at 50. If 55 was deemed a safe speed then the speed limit would be 55 and not 55. Of course people would then want to go 60 in a 55 zone.

Not specifically directed at you Clare but if people don't want points then don't break the speed limit. If you can't stay just under 50(or what ever the given limit is) the stay enough under it that you won't go over it. (just to say, that i am not advocating driving at a funeral procession pace, just within the spped limit.)

ClioV6 wrote: »

Balls.

Speed doesn't kill, careless driving kills.

I have none.

The faster you are going, the less time you have to make a change in direction, brake, or whatever. If a child walks out in front of you, car pulls into your lane, you have a better chance of not hitting them at a slower speed. So in fact faster speed does kill. However, i would agree with you the careless driving kills as well, speeding is a part of that though.

Sundy · 07-06-2008 08:04PM

4Xcut wrote: »

No, no it's not. The law puts is at 50. If 55 was deemed a safe speed then the speed limit would be 55 and not 55. Of course people would then want to go 60 in a 55 zone.

Speed limits have very little to do with how safe a road is, its whatever the local authority decide on. I live on a tiny road and its perfectly legal to drive 80kph on it yet its also extremely dangerous.

AckwelFoley · 07-06-2008 08:12PM

Had 4.. 2 sets of 2, one from a mobile camera in Lucan, and the other where a cops stopped me on the side of the road near Ballinasloe.

I have only 2 now, and will be on zero hopefully at end of year.

How one can get 12 is beyond me... how could you get 12 points?? were ya caught raping and driving?!?!?

SV · 07-06-2008 08:27PM

snyper wrote: »

How one can get 12 is beyond me... how could you get 12 points?? were ya caught raping and driving?!?!?

I'm sending you the bill for my broken mouse...just spat water all over it. Cheers!

Loopy · 07-06-2008 10:19PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

Balls.

Speed doesn't kill, careless driving kills.

I have none.

I agree totally. But its the other morons on the road that you have to be careful of..

I have no points and I have no idea why. I have been 'done' a couple of times (by the cops I mean:D) and the points just never came through:rolleyes:

Andrewf20 · 07-06-2008 10:28PM

Ive got 0 myself. Its so predictable the places that the guards show up. Its usually anywhere with the following traits:

- Main road with what seems like a silly speed limit for the road.
- A nice flow of traffic, but its not too busy, so the average speed stays quite high.

There have been times when ive come onto a road, and think to myself, here we go, prime location for the speed guns, so lets keep things civilised. Lo and behold, a speed gun a few hundred meters ahead.

I had a feeling this thread was going to descend into a big rant over people breaking speed limits and are therefore dangerous drivers, just like it does time and time again in the motors forum. In truth, this argument comes about because an objective / measureable thing like a speed limit does not give an indication of how dangerous someone is, this being a totally subjective matter. On the flip side, some speed limits are too fast for certain conditions. Cops should be nailing dangerous driving, and doing 56mph in a 50mph zone does not automatically mean dangerous driving. Ive seen people get pulled doing a few over the limit in otherwise good clear conditions. Handing out penalty points for events like this, is in my opinion a farce and does no favours for peoples respect for the cops and how road safety is being addressed.

4Xcut · 07-06-2008 10:37PM

Sundy wrote: »

Speed limits have very little to do with how safe a road is, its whatever the local authority decide on. I live on a tiny road and its perfectly legal to drive 80kph on it yet its also extremely dangerous.

Perhaps safe wasn't the best choice of word. And of course its done badly, we're in Ireland. But the point remains that people are aware of the speed limit and that should be enough. If people don't want penalty points, then don't break the rules of the road. That, in fairness, would be my response to anyone complaining about the punishment for breaking any law in a democracy.

Clare Bear · 07-06-2008 10:48PM

Actually do many of you see all that many speed cameras/people caught for speeding? I drive from Dublin to Cork a lot and I can't say I do?

cormie · 07-06-2008 10:53PM

Rb wrote: »

I have to laugh at the people who think it's "ok" to go 5-10kmph over the speed limit. Hopefully each and every one of you racks up your 12 points and is taken off the road, or ends up in a crash and learns the hard way.

If it was ok to go 55/60 on a 50kmph limited road, why isn't the limit increased? These are the laws of our road, if you feel it's ok to break the law then you deserve to be punished as you're engaging in criminal activity by doing so. They're not guidelines, they're laws.

If you can't keep your speed to the limit, go and get a few driving lessons as it's quite obvious that you can't control your car properly and therefore shouldn't be on our roads. "It's easy to go 1 or 2 kmph over the limit", it's f*cking easier to stay under the limit if you can control your car properly.

Anyway, hopefully you'll get the punishment you deserve for breaking our laws, or find out the hard way what speeding does.

It's VERY safe to go over the speed limit on many many roads. If you're a competent driver you should be able to know what speed to go without needing a sign to tell you. Driving past a school when the students are finished, speed limit is 50kmph, don't be law abiding and go 49, be sensible and go much slower. Empty motorway at 3am? Very safe to go above 120kmph.

I wouldn't call going 140kmph on an empty 3 lane motorway at 3am "speeding", going faster than the speed limit, yes, but not speeding, speeding is going faster than the conditions allow for in my opinion.

do you hope that all the cars back in the days of MPH who went 75MPH on Motorways "find out the hard way" because they were going 5MPH over the limit even though the limit is now 75MPH/120KMPH?

Andrewf20 · 07-06-2008 11:08PM

Agreed. Rb dont get hung up on people doing 5 over the limit. Its often a small part of the bigger picture. Speeding is often not about needing more lessons as you say in your post. This is a behavioural issue.

davyjose · 07-06-2008 11:13PM

Rb wrote: »

I have to laugh at the people who think it's "ok" to go 5-10kmph over the speed limit. Hopefully each and every one of you racks up your 12 points and is taken off the road, or ends up in a crash and learns the hard way.

If it was ok to go 55/60 on a 50kmph limited road, why isn't the limit increased? These are the laws of our road, if you feel it's ok to break the law then you deserve to be punished as you're engaging in criminal activity by doing so. They're not guidelines, they're laws.

This is the same logic that says at the age of 17 years, 364 days at 11:55 at night, you can't drink alcohol, but within the next 6 minutes, you have somehow gained the requisite maturity and responsibility to drink yourself into an unlimited stupor.

No two roads are alike, and speed limits are a VERY arbitrary number. The speed limit on parts of the ring of Kerry is the same as the N4 in Dublin.

davyjose · 07-06-2008 11:14PM

cormie wrote: »

It's VERY safe to go over the speed limit on many many roads.

Exactly - and very unsafe to even approach the limit on other roads

Oh and eh, ahem ... ZERO points

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