Getting slated for being healthy

celestial · 31-05-2008 09:36PM

Mikel wrote: »

Sounds pretty self congratulatory to me.

Yes, that's the spirit... we don't like your type around here

So to recap, judging someone and looking down your nose at them because the way they eat is different to you is ignorant and inappropriate?
Unless of course you go to a gym in which case it's ok.

Oh and Roper, you think this is backslapping? Take a look at the crossfit board.... Holy Sweet Mother of Jebus!!!!

Interesting use of bundling together comments taken out of their original context in order to fit your own position!!

You've been on this forum for a while now. Do you actually think that folks on here are a self-congratulatory bunch? Really like?!

Vegeta · 31-05-2008 10:14PM

Roper wrote: »

Oh and Vegeta, I did think about bottling the coolness but there were some complaints from men about herds of women harassing them and from women about not being able to leave the house anymore . I'll send you a bottle though.

Thanks dude appreciate it

eau de toilet, Roper by Roper

BossArky · 31-05-2008 10:22PM

Mikel wrote: »

Yes, that's the spirit... we don't like your type around here

@Mikel:
Is that aimed at me? i.e. you don't like my type around here?

Or... are you putting words in my mouth and implying that I was saying to Roper that I don't like his type around here?

If it is the first, then boo hoo. If it is the second, then rest assured that I appreciate Roper's contributions on here. It is posters such as Roper that have taught me mucho over the last 14 months I've been on this board. My post was asking him why he posts here if it pisses him off so much.

@Roper:
Yes, I agree with you that people dispensing incorrect advice can be hazardess.

However I cannot see how you make the connection between the harmless chit chat on this thread and then the comments about Total Fitness, treadmills and telling people not to kid themselves.

Mikel · 31-05-2008 11:06PM

celestial wrote: »

Interesting use of bundling together comments taken out of their original context in order to fit your own position!!

How are they taken out of context? Roper said there was backslapping. You asked where was the backslapping. I quoted the backslapping.

celestial wrote: »

Do you actually think that folks on here are a self-congratulatory bunch? Really like?!

What has that got to do with anything? The thread was described as self congratulatory. I posted what I saw to be the self congratulation.
Do you always extrapolate one situation to be the general case?

Or... are you putting words in my mouth and implying that I was saying to Roper that I don't like his type around here?

Yes that's what I was implying. Someone posts something not in agreement with the overall tone of the thread, and you're response is along the lines of 'so why do you come here then if you hate it so much'
More extrapolation.

lisajane · 31-05-2008 11:31PM

I have had nasty comments from people i work with. I have been asked how i lost all the weight, is it starvation? People telling me about all the fat in a handful of nuts. And somone once took my kitkat out of my hand because she thought i gave up. Surely im allowed chocolate every once in a while? I often get comments like, ur eating the rabbit food again. I quite like my lunchtime i don't want to spend my time arguing with people that doesn't have a clue. I just smile and nod my head and agree with them so they'll leave me alone.
And just last week someone gave out to me for jogging to work. She told me that i have lost enough weight and i could stop. I might have lost enough weight but i want to keep it off.

BossArky · 01-06-2008 01:04AM

Mikel wrote: »

Yes that's what I was implying.

Good. Refer to my previous post. It was a question not a statement of "go away".

Hanley · 01-06-2008 01:21AM

Here BossArky, did you hear was Roper was saying about your bird??????

I figure everyone else is stirring **** so I might as well join in

I actually can't believe people are getting so wrapped up in this. In my book, anyone who looks down their nose at someone else, regarldess of the reason, is a jacka$$.

I actually had an interesting conversation about this with Malteaser today in the car on the way home from the gym. We were talking about how people complain about the weightroom being intimidating because of all the "big guys". The funny thing is, once you spend some time around these guys, they're the least intimidating and most helpful people you could ever meet. From my own experience, I've NEVER been turned down help when I've asked some of the worlds best powerlifters for advice.

I've never turned down anyone, or seen anyone else do the same in Hercs when someone asks for advice. Quite often it ends up in a big long drawn out conversation, even if you've never talked to the person before.

The big guys, the REALLY big guys, are the ones who love it. They're the ones who live the life and you can be damn sure they know the trouble and heartache that it takes to get "too big". These aren't the guys to be initimidated by. While I might not be their size, I do train with similar weights and I can honestly say I don't notice what goes on around me in the gym all that often. If someone comes in with a program and works thru it, they won't even be noticed. It's the guys who stand in the middle of the gym floor twidling their thumbs, regarldess of exp/strength levels that look out of place.

In my opinion, the guys that you have to watch out for are the guys with the red faces carrying suitcases under their arms (lol bit of a in joke there). The guys who make the most noise all the way thru their sets, slam the weights down, do assited partials with their friends (plural!!!) help are the ones crying out for attention, the ones who want everyone to know how hardcore and bada$$ they are in an attempt to inditimidate all those around them (at least that's my guess). They're easy to spot, you won't see them squatting or deadlifting, they've a big chest and arms and no muscle anywhere else. Just stay out of their way (and by this I mean don't point and laugh at their stupidity) and you'll be fine.

Anyway. Mini rant over.

Odysseus · 01-06-2008 01:02PM

lisajane wrote: »

I have had nasty comments from people i work with. I have been asked how i lost all the weight, is it starvation? People telling me about all the fat in a handful of nuts. And somone once took my kitkat out of my hand because she thought i gave up. Surely im allowed chocolate every once in a while? I often get comments like, ur eating the rabbit food again. I quite like my lunchtime i don't want to spend my time arguing with people that doesn't have a clue. I just smile and nod my head and agree with them so they'll leave me alone.
And just last week someone gave out to me for jogging to work. She told me that i have lost enough weight and i could stop. I might have lost enough weight but i want to keep it off.

The will only do it lisajane if you allow them to do so. I occassionally get comments about my weight I'm 72kg "there will be none of you left if you keep up that running". Easily dealt with when was the last time you ran x amount, answer is usually never. Well then you know alot about the subject of ultra distance running don't you.

As for the taking something out of my hand that is simply so intrusive I would ask them if they would like to ingest said item rectally. Stand up for your lifestyle choice, it your not theirs.

Now my way of dealing with this may not suit you, but unless you are risking your health it is none of their business and may they need to be told this.

Best of luck with it.

Gurlzie1 · 01-06-2008 01:39PM

Gurlzie1 wrote: »

I went out with the work crowd last weekend and when the platters of fries and mini sausages came out and I rufused them people were telling me that I'd have nothing in my stomach to soak the booze up and that eating something would be good for me.
They weren't to know that I had snuck a protein bar into the ladies loos to eat earlier but still they tried to pressure me into eating that garbage.

I don't see how trying to get protein in at my usual time is obsessive?
I wasn't going to eat a protein bar infront of a packed out pub and needed to get it in because I needed to stick to my eating schedual, I don't think this is extreme.

Odysseus · 01-06-2008 01:49PM

Hi Gurlzie, I used the word obsessive but I don't think I was referring to you. I'm heading off in a few mins so no time to check. Psychologically speaking for us to succeed in what we do we are generally being obsessive. As the old joke in psychoanalysis go in reference to attending sessions.

Arriving early =anxious.
Arriving on time=obsessive.
Arriving late= resistant.

From that viewpoint its description, not necessarily pathologically significant as in OCD.

Gurlzie1 · 01-06-2008 01:53PM

Roper wrote: »

I have never seen such a self congratulatory bunch of posts in one thread before.

I'm sorry to be the one to say this (ah who am I kidding, I'm not a bit sorry), but people who are sneaking protein bars into pub toilets are not the healthy ones. I would say that the people who are enjoying the snacks and beer on their night out have a greater chance of being genuinely mentally and physically healthy in the long run than someone who is obsessing over picking at a tray of cocktail sausages.

Do yourselves a favour and read over the back slapping you've done here, admonishing people for being overweight, congratulating each other for going to the gym as though you deserved a fvcking Bravestar badge, "feeling sorry" for other people's children. As though a gym membership and a couple of years on a treadmill makes you special. Of course, you're a member of Total Fitness, so everyone else is jealous.

Don't kid yourselves.

I didn't start this thread so people would give me a 'pat on the back' I was curious as to whether others had the same problems at work and ideas on how to deal with the situation. Obviously I'm not the only one that has to put up with this and after reading all the posts I feel better about the issue and won't be shy to eat and drink what I want when I'm at work because it's not me that has the problem.

I have personal goals that I have set myself and eating a certain way and training hard are both part of it all. My goals don't allow for cocktail sausages, fries, sweets etc and I don't think it's fair that I have to put up with s**t from people that don't understand what I am doing and why. I would never tell someone else not to eat or do what they want because the choice is their own, I'm annoyed that I don't get the same back.

Dudess · 01-06-2008 02:19PM

Mikel wrote: »

Sounds pretty self congratulatory to me.

Yes, that's the spirit... we don't like your type around here

So to recap, judging someone and looking down your nose at them because the way they eat is different to you is ignorant and inappropriate?
Unless of course you go to a gym in which case it's ok.

Oh and Roper, you think this is backslapping? Take a look at the crossfit board.... Holy Sweet Mother of Jebus!!!!

I think the above post is fairly smug and self righteous. Those comments you quoted may be self congratulatory, but they are so in a particular context, they're not self-congratulating for the sake of it.

Roper · 01-06-2008 08:58PM

Gurlzie1 wrote: »

I have personal goals that I have set myself and eating a certain way and training hard are both part of it all. My goals don't allow for cocktail sausages, fries, sweets etc and I don't think it's fair that I have to put up with s**t from people that don't understand what I am doing and why. I would never tell someone else not to eat or do what they want because the choice is their own, I'm annoyed that I don't get the same back.

I respect that, and to be fair, yours wasn't really the post I was on about. The protein bar thing, after your further explanation, doesn't sounds as extreme as it originally did.

I think Mikel with the judicious use of his quoting skills has elucidated my point better than I can myself. I stand by my statement.

Mikel · 02-06-2008 02:09AM

Dudess wrote: »

I think the above post is fairly smug and self righteous. Those comments you quoted may be self congratulatory, but they are so in a particular context, they're not self-congratulating for the sake of it.

That's the second time someone has said they were out of context. How so?
And how is my post smug and self righteous?
I'm not smug or self righteous about the fact I exercise, I could quote from this thread others that are, but that would be 'out of context' right?

celestial · 02-06-2008 03:41AM

Mikel wrote: »

That's the second time someone has said they were out of context. How so?
And how is my post smug and self righteous?
I'm not smug or self righteous about the fact I exercise, I could quote from this thread others that are, but that would be 'out of context' right?

Yes Mikel, it would be out of context - cos when you take all the quotes that take your fancy from peoples' posts and discard the rest that's called 'taking things out of context';)

It's plain as the nose on your face that the posts on this thread were composed by people who are into keeping fit, who enjoy exercise, and who instinctively offered their support and defending comments in favour of someone who was coming under attack and ridicule from her co-workers who presumably view her exercising and 'eating healthy' as suited for ridicule/smart comment. You seem to have missed that point, or ignored it entirely, in favour of going on your little mini-rant. More power to you. I'm just after finishing after a snack box, and looking forward to the gym on Tuesday.

Roper · 02-06-2008 08:49AM

Clearly there are those that agree with my stance on this, so it's obvioulsy not as "plain as the nose on your face" as you would like to think.

How are the quotes mentioned out of context? They're exactly the point I was making and seem very in context to me.

@ Boss Arky as I've more time now. You seem to forget that this is a public forum, and not a campfire, just because I'm not singing Koom-By-Ya and agreeing with everything people say you seem to think I should just sod off and not post my opinion? Is that what you were trying to say? I believe that's what the "We don't like your type around here" comment was about.

One of the reasons I do what I do is to get people involved in healthy activities and it's great to see people get fit. However, I know that everyone is succeptable to lapsing into bad health for work reasons, for family reasons, stress etc. etc. When I see smugness like some of the comments in this thread it just boils my blood.

You're all only a lapsed gym membership, a bad fall, a sick child, a bout of depression, a knee injury or many other reasons away from being one of the "fat, ignorant, lazy" people. Fitness isn't about doing weights before or after cardio, which shake to take before exercise, HIIT or LIT, and all of the other minor points, it's about a lifetime of good health. So maybe, just maybe when you're all 90 and have been going to the gym your whole life and the guy in the bed next to yours is 50 and dying of obesity related heart disease you might be thankful you stuck at it. But until then I don't think anyone on here can afford to be smug because tomorrow something might knock you off your wagon.

BossArky · 02-06-2008 10:33AM

Roper wrote: »

@ Boss Arky as I've more time now. You seem to forget that this is a public forum, and not a campfire, just because I'm not singing Koom-By-Ya and agreeing with everything people say you seem to think I should just sod off and not post my opinion? Is that what you were trying to say? I believe that's what the "We don't like your type around here" comment was about.

No, that is not what I mean. See my reply to Mikel.

In my opinion your initial post in this thread and the one in the other thread I mentioned were way over the top. In your opinion they aren't. Fine. You are getting my opinion in response to yours.

If I don't agree with you then I'll let you know, campfire or traditional bi-monthly fitness forum bonfire.

Also, note the "We don't like your type around here" comment came from Mikel. I did not say that.

//end circular loop

lisajane · 02-06-2008 11:57AM

I work with these 2 people (and 1 of them a bloke) and every day they critisized what people eat. They eat more healthier and give the crowd eating junk a lecture about you shoildn't be eating that.
A year ago when i used to scoff a bag of crisps for my lunch, i got their talk. Its real sickening when someone comments on what you're eating, wheather its junk food or healthy food. It shouldn't be done.
What made it worse for these 2 people that critisized the junk food was that they thought they were so much better. And they were the 1's that went smoking after eating healthy. In all fairness, how can someone eat healthy and follow it with a fag. I'm sure people do it but to spend your days commenting on what people ate and they were the 1's killing themselves with smoke.

Hanley · 02-06-2008 12:04PM

lisajane wrote: »

I work with these 2 people (and 1 of them a bloke) and every day they critisized what people eat. They eat more healthier and give the crowd eating junk a lecture about you shoildn't be eating that.
A year ago when i used to scoff a bag of crisps for my lunch, i got their talk. Its real sickening when someone comments on what you're eating, wheather its junk food or healthy food. It shouldn't be done.
What made it worse for these 2 people that critisized the junk food was that they thought they were so much better. And they were the 1's that went smoking after eating healthy. In all fairness, how can someone eat healthy and follow it with a fag. I'm sure people do it but to spend your days commenting on what people ate and they were the 1's killing themselves with smoke.

It's funny how those people are normally the most self righteous eh??

Mikel · 02-06-2008 12:32PM

celestial wrote: »

Yes Mikel, it would be out of context - cos when you take all the quotes that take your fancy from peoples' posts and discard the rest that's called 'taking things out of context';)

No it's not. It would be taking it out of context if the quotes implied one thing but when you read the whole post the meaning would be something different.
That's not the case.
This is really very simple.
Roper called the thread self congratulatory.
He was told there was no self congratulation.
I quoted multiple examples of said self congratulation.
I don't see how this is complicated

This is pretty pointless by now because it's just going around in circles.
Every time it's pointed out why Roper said what he did it's apparently 'out of context' according to people who don't know what out of context means.
The irony is that they are indulging in the kind of behaviour they berate others for

Money Shot · 04-06-2008 04:38PM

Only read bits and pieces of this thread through the laughter, but tend to agree with Roper.

Everyone assumes that anyone who comments on peoples strange eating habbits are overweight and lardy. I doubt this is the case, and I would imagine a lot of them do eat quite healthy themsleves, just more conventionally or differently. There are more ways to eat healthy than stuffing protein down your gob six times a day religiously. That isn't eating healthy, that's following a muscle building eating plan, which may not be the most healthy way to eat for lots of people.

People might wonder why someone is eating cottage cheese because it tastes disgusting, similarly a tuna and peanut butter sandwich. Some people bring boxes of protein bars on holiday with them for a week for fear of catabolism:eek:.

Personally, I think it is unhealthy when you are obsessive with your food and can't ever relax and enjoy yourself. I also find people like that quite boring to be around. I eat healthy for the most part and keep fit, but if it ever got to the stage where I was worried about ordering desert at a restuarant or eating cocktail sausages on a night out, I think I would need to take a step back and examine how I am living my life.

Gurlzie1 · 04-06-2008 05:00PM

Money Shot wrote: »

Only read bits and pieces of this thread through the laughter, but tend to agree with Roper.

Everyone assumes that anyone who comments on peoples strange eating habbits are overweight and lardy. I doubt this is the case, and I would imagine a lot of them do eat quite healthy themsleves, just more conventionally or differently. There are more ways to eat healthy than stuffing protein down your gob six times a day religiously. That isn't eating healthy, that's following a muscle building eating plan, which may not be the most healthy way to eat for lots of people.

People might wonder why someone is eating cottage cheese because it tastes disgusting, similarly a tuna and peanut butter sandwich. Some people bring boxes of protein bars on holiday with them for a week for fear of catabolism:eek:.

Personally, I think it is unhealthy when you are obsessive with your food and can't ever relax and enjoy yourself. I also find people like that quite boring to be around. I eat healthy for the most part and keep fit, but if it ever got to the stage where I was worried about ordering desert at a restuarant or eating cocktail sausages on a night out, I think I would need to take a step back and examine how I am living my life.

This is exactly the kind of narrow mindedness I encounter almost on a daily basis, who has the right to judge anyone because of what they eat whether it's seen to be healthy or not!?

Al_Fernz · 04-06-2008 05:11PM

Gurlzie1 wrote: »

This is exactly the kind of narrow mindedness I encounter almost on a daily basis, who has the right to judge anyone because of what they eat whether it's seen to be healthy or not!?

Thats not being narrow minded. Money_Shot was only giving his own opinion and the way he sees his lifestyle and diet. If you re-read his post again you will see that he uses "I" numerous times in the last paragraph.

He is just as entitled to his opinion as you are to eat whatever you want.

Money Shot · 04-06-2008 05:16PM

People shouldn't comment on what someone is eating, what they look like or for any other reason to be honest. But human nature is what it is, and people will comment on anything they consider odd.

I can't see how I was being narrow-minded, the point I was trying to make is - what you consider healthy eating might just look odd to somebody else. Apologies if I offended you - I didn't intend to, but you seem to get offended quite easily

topper75 · 04-06-2008 05:37PM

Granted orthorexia is not good but at the same time who is going to foot the bill in the coming decades for the cocktail-sausage munchers? Those fatties do annoy me. Carry on with the dirty looks I say.

ali.c · 04-06-2008 06:39PM

Roper wrote: »

You're all only a lapsed gym membership, a bad fall, a sick child, a bout of depression, a knee injury or many other reasons away from being one of the "fat, ignorant, lazy" people. Fitness isn't about doing weights before or after cardio, which shake to take before exercise, HIIT or LIT, and all of the other minor points, it's about a lifetime of good health. So maybe, just maybe when you're all 90 and have been going to the gym your whole life and the guy in the bed next to yours is 50 and dying of obesity related heart disease you might be thankful you stuck at it. But until then I don't think anyone on here can afford to be smug because tomorrow something might knock you off your wagon.

Good post, personally all it took was one knee injury to but a handle on my I can eat anything and not put on weight lifestyle. Its amazing how once you have restricted mobility how the pounds pile on.

Anyhow aside and to the OP's point, personally I think its pure bad manners to comment on other peoples eating habits good or bad, I normally tell them that too. There is a difference between Ohh whats that your eating and eueh whats thats that your eating.

Though if a close friend was dieting obessively say in an unhealthy way would you not try and speak to them about it, if thats the case then where do you draw the line.

It is in our natures to be curious though. On the plus side people get bored pretty quick too so if you do the same thing day in and out they will stop commenting on that.

Lola87 · 04-06-2008 08:52PM

ali.c wrote:

Anyhow aside and to the OP's point, personally I think its pure bad manners to comment on other peoples eating habits good or bad, I normally tell them that too. There is a difference between Ohh whats that your eating and eueh whats thats that your eating.

I agree. Its just bad manners to comment negatively on what others are eating. Everyone's different, get over it!:D

gabgab · 04-06-2008 10:43PM

This is one of the funniest threads I have ever read,

Thanks to Roper for throwing in the catalyst,

:D

However to put my own slant on it, some peole are the sort of person that can give stick back with a smartass but funny kind of answer, and others take it personally and feel people looking at them and it bothers them. The same way some people have an interest in competing in strongman, and others in a MMA. Were all different that way,

To the OP, I find that being very polite and explaining it again focusing on being nice will work, if not then look down other avenues,

Doing anything different relative to your work environment will get you a stare, like a lad who is a barrister turning up to work on a sports motorbike, people look, as it does'nt quiete fit, people ask questions, but its how you handle it back that will make or break it,

So be polite, e nice, then if all else fails come back and we can give you some advice on smartass comments, or PM roper and he probably will send you a pdf file

Macha · 04-06-2008 11:01PM

I wonder why it is considered such bad manners to point out a bad diet when everyone these days finds it OK to tell a smoker they should stop?

In the end the results can be very similar.

Gurlzie1 · 05-06-2008 09:16AM

Money Shot wrote: »

I can't see how I was being narrow-minded, the point I was trying to make is - what you consider healthy eating might just look odd to somebody else. Apologies if I offended you - I didn't intend to, but you seem to get offended quite easily

No not offended at all, you are allowed to have an opinion.
I know that others might see how I eat as odd and I admit what I eat might not seem healthy to other people either.

I just think it's a bit harsh telling people that they need to take a step back and look at their lives if they don't want to eat fatty food on a night out or have desert after dinner.

Getting slated for being healthy

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