Values of today that will be embarrassing/outmoded in 30 years time

Sam Vimes wrote: »

so people have been smoking it for thousands of years and they're going to stop in the next 30. right so

Thousands of years?

In Ireland? Get a grip.

Firstly, my post related to Ireland only. In 30 years time people in countries where the climate allows for a plant or two out the back garden will be smoking as much as they are today. However, simple facts are

a- The Morrocans are determined to end the trade, IIRC they have a target date of 2012 for all but ending production. Jailing farmers, seizing crops, its big right now.

b- By supplying poor quality overpriced weed the dealers will kill off their own trade. Most current smokers started out in the bygone days of 10 spots of hash and quarters for 15 to 20 quid. How many 14 year olds can afford to buy a 50 bag of weed? Much like how, as stated, many former users cant be arsed wasting their money on the sugar they pass of as cocaine here. Or how the pub trade has shot itself in the foot with high prices and people not fancying being greeted at the door by some grunting mutant treating them like they caught them drink driving. The government is winning. The government will eventually all but win. Which is why there is absoloutely no reason that they would legalise the stuff.

Sherifu wrote: »

I gave it the response it deserved.

Do you have any counter arguement?

Or are you just jealous because you dont have a clue?

Ivan wrote: »

A) I'd love to see where you get your stats on what age the average (hash) smoker is. From my circle of friends, this just isnt the case.

Weed growing doesnt use any sort of heat requirements that would allow Gardai in a helicopter to detect it with a heat sensor (lol)

C) Should this be even remotely true, they cant get a warrant to search the place on this basis. They can put in surveillance but if, as is the case in this hypothetical, it is being used for personal use then surveillance will give very little evidence to search the residence or press criminal charges.

D) Cheap poorly mixed weed is infinitely better than cheap poorly mixed soap and yes the prices are higher but most are willing to pay for the improved affects and vastly limited downsides.

E) Brits have reclassified cannabis and you are right, it does look likely that the Dutch will pass new legislation in the next few years limiting if not out-right prohibiting cannabis altogether but you are ignoring the fact that Cannabis is becoming a somewhat of a mainstream, staple drug in yonder Americas. Its being opened up to investigation for medicinal purposes and as a byproduct, its dangers will be researched thoroughly too. Eventually, I am fairly confident that America will legalise it and once that happens, I believe the floodgates will be largely opened elsewhere too. Afterall, it was good ol' Uncle sam that was responsible for its vast decline and ultimate legal state throughout most of the western world.

E) Alcohol has everything to do with this debate but for once, you are missing the point on a different line of thinking. The thread is about what values do you believe will be embarrassing or outmoded in 30 years time. My response was that I believe civilisation will become more balanced in their treatment of drugs. From alcohol abuse on the streets/public transport becoming less common to cannabis becoming more mainstream...

With all that in mind...


QFT.

A- You arent one of these Sindo journalists are you? You know, the type who come up with stories about how "everyone is doing cocaine, from your boss, to the girls in the local private school, even your Grandad when he goes fishing". Certainly seems like it.

B- Bollocks. Absoloute utter bollocks. It may be possible to genetically engineer seeds to grow in unusual climates, I dunno, however Id imagine there would be some costs to it. Weed grows wild in parts of Eastern Europe, and in the likes of Germany growing in your garden off the weather isnt uncommon, but we just dont have a reliable enough climate for it.

C- If the amount of heat detected is strong enough to warrant a search, it is highly likely you are growing enough to be charged with supply.

D- Absoloute complete and utter sh1te. The oul soap isnt great, but I could count on one hand the amount of stronger weed Ive encountered here (and that was all stuff people brought back from the dam, not commercially available street weed). Much like cocaine people will eventually break their addiction and realise they cant afford to keep buying this muck. Tell me, are you one of these people who also thinks Spice Gold is worth the money?

E- Its been a long time since the world loved America. Several states may eventually allow medicinal marijuana, but recrational? Never.


We certainly will be entering a phase in the next 15 years where the balance will shift, and with the vast majority of politicians in the Dail by 2023 having been born after 1970, it is a fair bet the majority of them will have smoked a doob or two in their lives.

However, it is no guarantee that they will bother legalising. Why should they, if the stuff has been largely unavailable in the previous 9 years. A few years ago the Gardai stated that the drug trade in Dublin was controlled by about 30 main gangs. In the last few years alone the cops have managed to shut down or severely disrupt nearly half of them. They are winning, slowly but surely. Its just not cool to admit it. Newspaper stories about streets awash with drugs sell better than ones about how the gangs are on the run.

Earthhorse wrote: »

I don't know about 30 years time but at some point in the future I think people will look back at cigarette smoking and say, "Really? People did that...voluntarily?". It will probably be outright illegal by then.

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I cant imagine it will be banned until all current users are....well....dead.

However, I can see it maybe by 2020 that anyone wishing to buy cigarettes will have to show an ID confirming, lets say, that they were born before January 1st 2002. Maybe even some scannable card for getting it. It will take a few years but gradually there will be no link for younger people to begin smoking.

Cianos wrote: »

Actually, that's another one...hopefully people will have stopped being fascinated by this boring and completely overdone subject.

Im more fascinated by the comedians who contribute to them with made up facts and general bull.

Branners wrote:

In my town theres been a 15 yr old girl raped last month
and a 16 yr old guy died from a cocaine overdose in the past year
I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY OF THESE STORIES IN ANY PAPER

so i believe the papers aren't print this for some reason
only murders & politics lately in the papers

Also there more weed readily available now
than i have ever seen in all my time living here

i think your a bit blinkered
are you in the Guards by any chance?

I should have clarified tbh.

And yes, weed is everywhere.

Too bad its mostly sh1te. Which is why, within 30 years, it will probably be a non issue because, like cigarettes, the government will have managed to successfully all but phased out its usage among the younger generation.

Tha Gopher wrote: »

For someone who spends half their life posting rubbish about drugs on AH you dont know a great deal about it do you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/7220524.stm

"The farms are improvised hot-houses growing up to 20,000 plants at a time for profit. The police detect them from helicopters, using heat-seeking equipment to spot suspiciously sweltering premises. "



They have also been known to request electricity companies to report any suspicious surge in power usage, or illegal tapping into power lines and stealing electricity.

Still. Dont stop your drug posts.

It entertains me.

Rubbish? I'm hurt.

And the image of Gardaí flying over YOUR house was just funny. Heat detection might be used to investigate suspicious premises, but routine surveilance on normal residential areas? Come on...

And I think I am going to stop with the drugs posts - the generic argumentative ones anyway. I'm all for drugs discussion and debate, but the AH threads are so predictible, and I think I'm getting known as "that pro-drugs guy", which I don't really want.


Anyway, back to reptoids ruling the earth :pac:

HammerHeadGym wrote: »

That's a lie. A blatant lie. Before you go into your side of it, I should inform you that a friend of mine is the pilot (one of them anyway)

So if he is flying, has the sensor on and at 3am comes across a large amount of heat he doesnt twig?

Not on the promotion shortlist this chap I shouldnt think. Unless, of course, he actually does have a bit of sense and doesnt be down the pub telling you "ya know Jim Reillys younger brother Pat? Was flyin over his in the small hours last week and there was a fierce amount of heat comin from the roof. Turns out he had 15 grand worth of weed growin in it lads!"

Thats also a lie. Where do you get your statistics from? I get mine from the Garda press office and they contradict your nonsense on nearly every level.

http://www.ndc.hrb.ie/directory/news_detail.php?cat_id=&news_id=4093&pointer=0

1.7 tonnes in all of 2007?

I remember a Finglas based trafficker had over one tonne seized in a single swoop on a lorry in late 2005.

It caused a drought that lasted about a week.

That might give you some type of comparison in terms of then and now. The government is winning. Get over it.