To Catch A Predator: freaky stuff...

El Weirdo · 03-06-2008 05:28PM

KERPAL wrote: »

No, your wrong, 35 them are awaiting sentence, and 25 wernt convicted in a certain state through some loophole. Others probably just got away with it throught the skin of their teeth.

117 less perverts,35 awaiting trial, 25 getting away with it(but not really bcoz they were on national tv) and a few were found not guilty.
Not a bad result.

And you're basing this statement on what evidence, exactly?

ScumLord · 03-06-2008 05:33PM

Running out of the house screaming like a little girl. That's funny. Great way to pick out stupid scum like this.

KERPAL · 03-06-2008 05:34PM

el_weirdo wrote: »

And you're basing this statement on what evidence, exactly?

on the evidence that they told what they thought was a 12 year old girl they were going to stick it into her, thats enough evidence for me.
Sad people, they should be shot.
At least one of them did.

Overheal · 03-06-2008 05:34PM

Dinter wrote: »

In all fairness, if a show was broadcast that called you a paedophile and had no evidence you'd be looking at a massive settlement for libel because of the reasons you've given above.

Absolutely.

According to the wiki page, the first 2/3 specials aired by NBC in fact had no police presence: it was simply a smear case, and these men were allowed to walk away (explaining your conviction ratio, Sammy) - which to my own disgust even included the walk off of this sick bastard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWMPHJFLDN8

With regard to the $105 Million lawsuit, it wouldnt appear there is a verdict on it as of yet : in Feb 2007

In a stinging rebuke to the NBC News "Predator" series, a federal judge has given the go-ahead for a lawsuit blaming the network for the suicide of a Texas prosecutor who was targeted in an undercover sting against alleged pedophiles.

U.S. District Judge Denny Chin ruled that "a reasonable jury could find that NBC crossed the line from responsible journalism to irresponsible and reckless intrusion into law enforcement."

The suit was brought by the sister of William Conradt Jr., an assistant district attorney in Rockland County, Texas, who shot himself in the head after a local police SWAT team, accompanied by a "Dateline" crew, surrounded his house and moved in to arrest him in November 2006.

Judge Chin dismissed claims of racketeering, negligence and unjust enrichment against NBC but said allegations of intentional infliction of emotional distress and certain civil rights violations could go to trial.

The judge said he concluded there were sufficient facts in the allegations to "render plausible" the suicide was foreseeable and that "the police officers and NBC acted with deliberate indifference and in a manner that would shock one's conscience."

"This decision shows law enforcement should never subcontract their uniform, badge and the oath they take," Bruce Baron, the attorney representing Conradt's sister Patricia in the lawsuit against NBC Universal, Inc., said. "Patricia looks forward to protecting the constitutional rights that were trampled upon on that very dreadful day."

In fact its hard to verify if it has even gone to trial at this stage.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4353781&page=2

El Weirdo · 03-06-2008 05:56PM

KERPAL wrote: »

on the evidence that they told what they thought was a 12 year old girl they were going to stick it into her, thats enough evidence for me.
Sad people, they should be shot.
At least one of them did.

Brilliant...:rolleyes:

SimpleSam06 · 03-06-2008 06:03PM

Heres one for ye, do you think it would be in the best interests of the very very profitable show to see all such predators stamped out?

If the answer to that one is "no", then it follows that the producers, staff, television station and the whole crowd of them would want to perpetuate the conditions that cause people to become paedophiles as long as they could, no?

So in fact they would be supporting the existence of paedophiles for their own personal profit?

KERPAL · 03-06-2008 06:10PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Heres one for ye, do you think it would be in the best interests of the very very profitable show to see all such predators stamped out?

If the answer to that one is "no", then it follows that the producers, staff, television station and the whole crowd of them would want to perpetuate the conditions that cause people to become paedophiles as long as they could, no?

So in fact they would be supporting the existence of paedophiles for their own personal profit?

Its a very good point, but to be fair, its not very realistic. Paedophiles exist, im pretty sure that NBC would swap profits for the extinction of all paedophiles, there is some humanity behind what they are doing, more humanity than what the predators are doing.

SimpleSam06 · 03-06-2008 06:11PM

KERPAL wrote: »

im pretty sure that NBC would swap profits for the extinction of all paedophiles

I'll be in the hospital, I just did a violence to myself laughing

El Weirdo · 03-06-2008 06:11PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Heres one for ye, do you think it would be in the best interests of the very very profitable show to see all such predators stamped out?

If the answer to that one is "no", then it follows that the producers, staff, television station and the whole crowd of them would want to perpetuate the conditions that cause people to become paedophiles as long as they could, no?

So in fact they would be supporting the existence of paedophiles for their own personal profit?

To be fair... That's a bit of a stretch even for someone as sceptical as me about the true motives for the show...

KERPAL · 03-06-2008 06:18PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

I'll be in the hospital, I just did a violence to myself laughing

Well thats a pity your so cynical, the profile NBC would get along with Hansen from making extinct paedophilia would be worth so much more than profits. Ego is a big part of the Ratings wars in america between the big news channels-fox,cnn,nbc. they spend huge amounts of money to try and get the latest story-helicopters etc. Its not so much a money driven industry than an ego-driven one. None of these news channels are in need of money whatsoever.

Acid_Violet · 03-06-2008 06:20PM

This show is disgusting. I'd have no respect for anyone who enjoys it.

This, however, is a rather wonderful satire on the media witch-hunt against paedophiles and the gross misunderstanding of the general publis of paedophilia.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y7jVnrfoZD8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UcnQDYnGtS8&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fA07Tw4iEFw&feature=related

Overheal · 03-06-2008 06:20PM

So let them profit. You say they've ruined these poor mens lives, I say they've exposed the sick fúcks for what they are.

Acid_Violet wrote:

This show is disgusting. I'd have no respect for anyone who enjoys it.

So you don't think that pedophilia merits public awareness?

Animal Planet is

> That way.

KERPAL · 03-06-2008 06:24PM

Acid_Violet wrote: »

This show is disgusting. I'd have no respect for anyone who enjoys it.

I enjoy what the show is doing, exposing the sick fuks that they are.

Watching it makes one feel like getting sick at times.

El Weirdo · 03-06-2008 06:25PM

Acid_Violet wrote: »

This show is disgusting. I'd have no respect for anyone who enjoys it.

This, however, is a rather wonderful satire on the media witch-hunt against paedophiles and the gross misunderstanding of the general publis of paedophilia.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=y7jVnrfoZD8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UcnQDYnGtS8&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fA07Tw4iEFw&feature=related

Chris Morris FTW.:D

Edit- Thank God it was what I thought it was!

*Note to self: Check links before commenting. NEVER assume*

Acid_Violet · 03-06-2008 06:30PM

KERPAL wrote: »

I enjoy what the show is doing, exposing the sick fuks that they are.

Watching it makes one feel like getting sick at times.

So you watch it for voyeuristic purposes. Justifies my last comment.

KERPAL · 03-06-2008 06:32PM

Acid_Violet wrote: »

So you watch it for voyeuristic purposes. Justifies my last comment.

No i was told about it and watched it, and thought it was a good topic of discussion for this forum.

El Weirdo · 03-06-2008 06:33PM

Overheal wrote: »

So let them profit. You say they've ruined these poor mens lives, I say they've exposed the sick fúcks for what they are.

So you don't think that pedophilia merits public awareness?

Animal Planet is
> That way.

There's a difference between public awareness and sensationalism for profit/ego-boosting.

If all of the guys they busted had been convicted before the show went to air, then you may have a point. But from what I've seen, some of these guys hadn't.

Acid_Violet · 03-06-2008 06:35PM

Overheal wrote: »

So let them profit. You say they've ruined these poor mens lives, I say they've exposed the sick fúcks for what they are.

Yes, paedophiles have problems, very obvious to everyone. When someone has a problem what should you do; try to help them over-come their problems, or ridicule them, expose them to the greater public (thus putting them in harms way, as I'm sure you may be aware there'd be a lot of people who think 'goys loyk dat shud have deyr dicks cut off') and cut them off entirely from society (needless to say, if you want people to rehabilitate, inclusion as opposed to exclusion is the way to go.)

So you don't think that pedophilia merits public awareness?

Animal Planet is
> That way.

Yes actually, you're right. Nobody knew what a paedophile was and that the internet isn't the safest of places until this programme was made (sarcasm.:rolleyes: )

Acid_Violet · 03-06-2008 06:39PM

KERPAL wrote: »

No i was told about it and watched it, and thought it was a good topic of discussion for this forum.

Regardless I've no respect for anyone in support of this show. I can see how someone would think that exposing these people is a good thing but it's really putting a target on the paedophiles backs for vigilantes. And it's sick to think what should be law-enforcement has become a kind of voyeuristic pleasure for the masses, and frankly I find it sicker to think that a large portion of society would endorse those sort of shows than to think that some men want to have sex with kids.

Overheal · 03-06-2008 06:40PM

dont flash that blocky piece of crap at me. you act as if the subject only needs to be brought up once, and every generation of 13 year olds to come after will be equally as aware of the problem. Some things are worth repeating.

Acid_Violet · 03-06-2008 06:45PM

Overheal wrote: »

dont flash that blocky piece of crap at me.

Whatever...

you act as if the subject only needs to be brought up once, and every generation of 13 year olds to come after will be equally as aware of the problem. Some things are worth repeating.

Parents much? Parents responsibility to look after their kids. Decent education in schools? Common-sense? It's not as if a show like this is actually, genuinely 100% necessary to ensure that kids know that there are some big bad men and women in the world.

SimpleSam06 · 03-06-2008 06:57PM

el_weirdo wrote: »

To be fair... That's a bit of a stretch even for someone as sceptical as me about the true motives for the show...

I'm sure there wasn't a strategy meeting where the fat man said "right lets keep paedos on the go, they are worth a mint", through a waft of cigar smoke, but at the end of the day they are making buckets of cashy money from them. That can't be right.

Overheal · 03-06-2008 07:03PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

I'm sure there wasn't a strategy meeting where the fat man said "right lets keep paedos on the go, they are worth a mint", through a waft of cigar smoke, but at the end of the day they are making buckets of cashy money from them. That can't be right.

Its not right. But thats Capitalism: money as the incentive promotes people to do things. So money promoted them to expose these sexual predators. Its not perfect. In fact it wouldnt even be considered ethical (but in my opinion there isnt much in capitalism that is, but it gets things done). Its still more ethical than trying to have sex with a 13 year old.

SimpleSam06 · 03-06-2008 07:06PM

Overheal wrote: »

Its still more ethical than trying to have sex with a 13 year old.

I'm not seeing how its any sort of a replacement for good old fashioned state sponsored police forces, or why they need to be there in the first place. Oh thats right, they are making bank from perverts who threaten children.

Acid_Violet · 03-06-2008 07:07PM

Overheal wrote: »

Its not right. But thats Capitalism: money as the incentive promotes people to do things. So money promoted them to expose these sexual predators. Its not perfect. In fact it wouldnt even be considered ethical (but in my opinion there isnt much in capitalism that is, but it gets things done). Its still more ethical than trying to have sex with a 13 year old.

Two wrongs maketh right? Maybe prevent people having sex with 13 year olds in a different way?

Overheal · 03-06-2008 07:07PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

I'm not seeing how its any sort of a replacement for good old fashioned state sponsored police forces, or why they need to be there in the first place. Oh thats right, they are making bank from perverts who threaten children.

Welcome to the founding principle behind America's entire penitentiary system. Prisons receive funding based on the amount of prisoners they hold, and yes, there are privately owned prisons.

SimpleSam06 · 03-06-2008 07:12PM

Overheal wrote: »

Welcome to the founding principle behind America's entire penitentiary system. Prisons receive funding based on the amount of prisoners they hold, and yes, there are privately owned prisons.

Except NBC isn't part of the penitentiary system, nor part of the state or part of due process which is enshrined in their constitution, and in fact not authorised to be any part of the judicial process. The term "nimrods" springs to mind.

Overheal · 03-06-2008 07:16PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Except NBC isn't part of the penitentiary system, nor part of the state or part of due process which is enshrined in their constitution, and in fact not authorised to be any part of the judicial process. The term "nimrods" springs to mind.

I laughed at the bit where you assumed due process was protected in the US constitution.

But tell me, what is Ireland doing to catch sexual predators? Why do I still have to come across PI threads about people getting sexually abused? Maybe you should get up and do something about it.

KERPAL · 03-06-2008 07:19PM

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

I'm sure there wasn't a strategy meeting where the fat man said "right lets keep paedos on the go, they are worth a mint", through a waft of cigar smoke, but at the end of the day they are making buckets of cashy money from them. That can't be right.

Dunno if you missed this or not but i posted a while back:

Well thats a pity your so cynical, the profile NBC would get along with Hansen from making extinct paedophilia would be worth so much more than profits. Ego is a big part of the Ratings wars in america between the big news channels-fox,cnn,nbc. they spend huge amounts of money to try and get the latest story-helicopters etc. Its not so much a money driven industry than an ego-driven one. None of these news channels are in need of money whatsoever.

If winning a ratings war is the bad thing coming out of catching lots of paedophiles, then I can justify the show

SimpleSam06 · 03-06-2008 07:26PM

Overheal wrote: »

I laughed at the bit where you assumed due process was protected in the US constitution.

They didn't revoke the constitution yet though...

Overheal wrote: »

But tell me, what is Ireland doing to catch sexual predators? Why do I still have to come across PI threads about people getting sexually abused? Maybe you should get up and do something about it.

A swing and a miss. We aren't talking about Ireland, we're talking about the NBC show "To Catch a Predator". I'm just going to assume you forfeit the argument at this stage.

KERPAL wrote: »

Dunno if you missed this or not but i posted a while back:

I got it alright but this...

KERPAL wrote: »

its not so much a money driven industry than an ego-driven one.

Tells me you really don't understand the business. They aren't sitting on big piles of cash idly contemplating their next move. There is never enough money - this is their entire reason for existing. Full stop, end of.

To Catch A Predator: freaky stuff...

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