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Blacks commit proportionately more crime than whites

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  • #122
    Affable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Affable


    Susannahmia wrote: »
    Good boy. Like "the blacks" do maybe? You just contradicted your whole arguement.

    No I didn't. YOU'RE the one who's suggesting that blacks behave as victims of random circumstance. I've already explained why I don't believe that.


  • #123
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Liar. Of epic proportions:
    Affable wrote: »
    It was a perfectly valid point. People wrongly assume there's greater nobility in the disadvantaged than the powerful. They forget that people just act according to the circumstances they are in.


  • #124
    Susannahmia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Susannahmia


    Affable wrote: »
    No I didn't. YOU'RE the one who's suggesting that blacks behave as victims of random circumstance. I've already explained why I don't believe that.

    You haven't explained anything you have just stated random assertions!:rolleyes:


  • #125
    Affable
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    Dudess wrote: »

    So anyway, you're saying Africans are prone to violent tendencies, yet when it was pointed out to you that whites committed violence against Africans you replied they shouldn't have let it happen to them

    I actually said they shouldn't have let colonialism happen.
    But besides that, the above statements are not actually inconsistent.


  • #126
    Affable
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    Karoma wrote: »
    Are you now say it's wrong to make generalisations?


    Where did I say that?


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  • #127
    Susannahmia
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    Affable wrote: »
    I actually said they shouldn't have let colonialism happen.

    White Ireland let it happen too.


  • #128
    ronbyrne2005
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,494 ✭✭✭ronbyrne2005


    Tell the truth Affable, your GF ran off with a black man with a big willy. I'm right ain't I?


  • #129
    Affable
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    Karoma wrote: »
    Definition of "valid": well grounded in logic or truth or having legal force. Your argument was none of these. Demonstrate how you came to that conclusion, other than you simply think 'that's the way it would be so nyerrr'.

    Ah right, so you now you suggest that we shouldn't venture anything that's an opinion without legal proof to back it up. I would have to pick up on a hell of a lot of other's points if we are going by that rule. I stated a point about people believing being on the victims side implies nobility. I come to that conclusion through observation of people's views on various issues.

    As for 'that's the way it would be so nyerrr', I don't actually see that you're doing much more than that. Want to tell me why you disagree with the point I made? Practice what you preach.


  • #130
    Dudess
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    Affable wrote: »
    I actually said they shouldn't have let colonialism happen.
    Erm... How in the fukk could they have stopped colonialism taking place when they didn't have a fraction of the same artillery?
    Affable wrote: »
    Ah right, so you now you suggest that we shouldn't venture anything that's an opinion without legal proof to back it up.
    LOL
    I see what you did there. Karoma defined "valid" as having legal force, along with two other definitions, but you just pick the legal one. No. Of course you don't cherry-pick to make a point. Ahahahahahahahahah!
    I come to that conclusion through observation of people's views on various issues.
    Why exactly do you keep starting these survey type threads anyway? Want to gather statistics for the white power agenda you're pushing?
    As for 'that's the way it would be so nyerrr', I don't actually see that you're doing much more than that. Want to tell me why you disagree with the point I made? Practice what you preach.
    He kinda doesn't need to since others are doing so...


  • #131
    Affable
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    Dudess wrote: »

    He kinda doesn't need to since others are doing so...


    That specific point I meant.


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  • #132
    utick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 562 ✭✭✭utick


    'blacks commit proportionately more crimes than whites'

    thats a true statement


  • #133
    RasTa
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    Who cares, we are Irish and hate the Brits!! No more time for any more hatred against foreigners, unless we think they are getting free cars and televisions. Then we want a slice of the pie.


  • #134
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Yes it is... when you look at specific areas. The OP hasn't even bothered to do that. He's saying all blacks, wherever they are, commit more crime than whites. And then goes on to say leaving blacks into this country is risky due to the above GARGANTUAN generalisation, which is based on race - not socio-economic factors. It's actually horrible.


  • #135
    Ruskie4Rent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    utick wrote: »
    'blacks commit proportionately more crimes than whites'

    thats a true statement

    yes
    and so is 'poorer people commit proportionately more crimes than rich'

    You can't argue that tendency to commit crime has anything to do with race....... well affable can..... but not very well........ and not without coming off as a bigot.


  • #136
    KnifeWRENCH
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    Affable wrote: »
    I actually said they shouldn't have let colonialism happen.
    WTF??? How exactly would a tribal people have been able to prevent colonialism? The colonial powers - France, Britain, Spain, Portugal etc.- had heavy artillary, advanced ships and monarchs willing to pay explorers to go conquer new territories.
    This reminds me of quotes from Blackadder Goes Forth:


    Melchett: Don't be ridiculous, Darling. The Hero of Mboto Gorge, mad? Well, you've only got to look at him to see he's as sane as I am! Beeaaah!
    Darling: Would that the Mboto Gorge where we massacred the peace-loving pygmies of the Upper Volta and stole all their fruit?
    Blackadder: No -- a totally different Mboto Gorge.


    George: Now, come off it, sir -- what about Mboto Gorge, for heaven's sake?
    Blackadder: Yes, that was a bit of a nasty one -- ten thousand Watusi warriors armed to the teeth with kiwi fruit and guava halves. After the battle, instead of taking prisoners, we simply made a huge fruit salad


    Haig: I haven't seen you since....
    Blackadder: '92, sir -- Mboto Gorge.
    Haig: By jingo, yes. We sure gave those pygmies a good squashing.
    Blackadder: We certainly did, sir. And do you remember...?
    Haig: My god, yes. You saved my damn life that day, Blacky. If it weren't for
    you, that pygmy woman with the sharpened mango could have seriously...

    Blackadder: It was a viciously sharp slice of mango, sir.


  • #137
    Dudess
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    LOL yeah, I was actually thinking of the exact same thing. Cheers for posting it!


  • #138
    Affable
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    square_igloo wrote: »
    WTF??? How exactly would a tribal people have been able to prevent colonialism? The colonial powers - France, Britain, Spain, Portugal etc.- had heavy artillary, advanced ships and monarchs willing to pay explorers to go conquer new territories.


    Yes and they didn't. Wonder why.


  • #139
    Dudess
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    Affable wrote: »
    Yes and they didn't. Wonder why.
    Eh... what?

    By the way I can see deleted posts. So eh, you're not able to find those stats are you?


  • #140
    KnifeWRENCH
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    Affable wrote: »
    Yes and they didn't. Wonder why.
    oooh oooh lemme guess!
    Um...because they're black??


  • #141
    Affable
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    Ruskie4Rent wrote: »
    yes
    and so is 'poorer people commit proportionately more crimes than rich'

    True. But think about it, whilst there is some causal relationship between poverty and crime, there is likely a much stronger causal relationship between the kind of personality predisposed to crime and poverty, or at least not improving ones circumstances.(Which, in reponse to the 'they came here poor' argument, the Asian community have done more unaided than the black community)


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  • #142
    utick
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    well there are physical differences between white and black people that goes further than just skin colour so it wouldnt be too far fetched to say the brain makeup is different.

    Also someone brought up earlier that men commit more crimes than men which is true, part of that is due to higher testosterone levels, but blacks have higher testesterone (on average) levels than white people


  • #143
    Affable
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    Dudess wrote: »
    Eh... what?

    By the way I can see deleted posts. So eh, you're not able to find those stats are you?

    I can find them actually, but I deleted it because I realised it wasn't the issue. There's no point trying to take economics out of the equation. It's no good just saying more blacks are poor and poor people commit crime more. See my above post as to why.


  • #144
    Dudess
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    Affable wrote: »
    Yes and they didn't. Wonder why.
    No seriously. What the fukk do you mean by that statement? My trolldar is beeping wildly at this moment.
    The is what square_igloo said:
    The colonial powers - France, Britain, Spain, Portugal etc.- had heavy artillary, advanced ships and monarchs willing to pay explorers to go conquer new territories.
    And you responded with
    Yes and they didn't. Wonder why.
    Do you mean the Africans didn't conquer colonialism? Because if you are "wondering why", your answer is contained in square_igloo's post. I mean, what other reason could there POSSIBLY be...?
    Also, again, you were insisting black people are prone to violent tendencies but now you seem to be arguing that they're weak because they didn't put up enough of a fight against colonialism... You're talkin' bollocks.


  • #145
    Affable
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    utick wrote: »
    well there are physical differences between white and black people that goes further than just skin colour so it wouldnt be too far fetched to say the brain makeup is different.


    Precisely.


  • #146
    Dudess
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    Ah... interesting contribution. So eh... are you gonna answer the questions you've ignored?


  • #147
    Affable
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    Dudess wrote: »
    Ah... interesting contribution. So eh... are you gonna answer the questions you've ignored?

    Yes, just as soon as you stop ignoring relevant points I make.


  • #148
    Affable
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    Dudess wrote: »
    No seriously. What the fukk do you mean by that statement?


    I mean that Africa couldn't and can't get it's **** together like other places can and that may well be due to genetic/behavioural differences.


  • #149
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Africa isn't a nation. And what other nations? As in, nations that haven't been colonised? Bit unfair that. Look at Latin America - not exactly doing too fantastically post colonisation.

    And by the way, that's NOT what you meant. You specifically stated that Africa shouldn't have allowed colonisation to take place. Pathetic.

    Oh it's not "nations" now, it's "places". Places eh? A bit vague don't ya think? I'm in Cork - that's a place.


  • #150
    Affable
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    And what do you think of my above point about causal relationships? I'd be interested Dudess.


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  • #151
    Ruskie4Rent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    Affable wrote: »
    Precisely.

    Then why didn't you make that point in the first place, instead of stating your belief that black people are predisposed to commit more crimes and not showing your reasoning for believing that.

    Of course you would need to show how higher testosterone levels can lead to criminality and then how black men have higher testosterone, using reputable sources. That is the only way you can validate that point.

    Its just that you needed another person, that thought what you were saying was slightly plausable, to put some actual reasoning behind your theory.

    I still think you are wrong.


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